$27k...no way...unless you're a redneck in a red state who only buys American regardless of what kind of losses you take at trade-in or resale.

Just do a quick search on resale prices of 2008 sedans with the same options. An 08 Accord EX 4cyl w/25k on it is worth $6-7k more than an 08 Buick CX w/the same miles and options. Yet new they had very similar MSRP's.

We get it kid, you hate American vehicles. And your amazing ability to Google a statistic has been offset by your typical childish insults.

Maybe you spend too much time looking up odd stats. People who buy Buicks tend to hold on to them for a long time
Your comparison is pointless BTW. The 2008 and 2010 are different platforms. What evidence do you have that would support your argument with this platform? And why do we care? Everybody knows the 2008 Lacrosse was a bland Q-Tip mover. I wouldn't shit in your hand for one.

I think you're just pissed because Honda fucked you over and is releasing the slick new CR-X as a sluggish, tree hugger hauler. (insert laugh track here)

Nah Trooper. Noya is just upset that Buick is selling as much Honda's precious Acura brand with 2 less models, one with which is a 'classic' platform and an old person mover.

Besides, I can use Google too. For example, maxed out price wise, the LaCrosse comes with more features then a TL and costs 2 grand MSRP less, but invoice difference is $900. Oh, sorry Noya, that means GM makes more for each LaCrosse sold then Honda does for each TL. Base price wise, again, LaCrosse more features and 2 grand less. But here is the best figure of all: LaCorsse 3,400 deliveries in November, up 63% over 2008. TL 2,059 deliveries in November, down 29.2% over 2008.

How is that for Google skills Noya?

I'm interested in the new Regal. GM, why don't you bring over (from the Insignia) the whole selection of bodies, the hatch and wagon models. I think a 6 speed, turbo Regal wagon would be a very nice car.

@Trooper Bri

"People who buy Buicks tend to hold on to them for a long time"

Not really, the typical Buick buyer only has about 10 more years left in their life expectancy -- tops!

2010 Buick Lacross 2.4L 182hp and 172 lb-ft. of torque. 30mpg highway, 20mpg city
2010 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 198hp and 184 lb.-ft. of torque. 35mpg highway, 23mpg city.
Not so great after all.

@Avatar

Wow, I haven't seen an ass whooping of that scale in awhile. Nice work :)

@Peter
"2010 Buick Lacross 2.4L 182hp and 172 lb-ft. of torque. 30mpg highway, 20mpg city
2010 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L 198hp and 184 lb.-ft. of torque. 35mpg highway, 23mpg city.
Not so great after all."

Plus the Hyundai has a better warranty, didn't steal taxpayers money to keep their failed business afloat, and doesn't employ greedy UAW, and even the top model Sonata starts $2,500 lower than the Lacross. Looks like the Hyundai is a win all around.

Thanks Caddy.

And really? Compare a Hyundai Sonata which starts 8k less and is spartan feature wise next to the LaCrosse, is smaller in every aspect, and weighs about 700 pounds less? Oh, by the way, your figures are WAY wrong. Right of Hyundai's website for the Sonata:

Displacement: 2359 cc
Power: 175/168
Torque: 168/163
Gas Mileage: Manual: 21/32; Auto: 22/32

You want the Sonata's competitor, try the Malibu that beats it in gas mileage.

I meant the 2011 Hyundai Sonata. My bad. Yep its hard to compare when this car weighs up to 1000lbs more and mpg are estimates but the power figures still hold true.

Noya then what are you then, Euro-Trash? LOL.

Fair enough. If you want to compare engines however, then let's compare the spectrum and not just one case.

GM's LNF, 2.0L Turbo 260 hp and 260 ft-lb of torque. 22/30 Cobalt SS

Hyundai's Theta 2.0L Turbo 210 hp and 223 ft-lb of torque. 21/30 Genesis Coupe.

GM wins power, torque, and gas mileage. Cobalt probably could have gotten a little better highway mileage if it had a 6 speed like the Genesis.

GM's LLT, 3.6L v6 304 hp and 273 ft-lb of torque. 18/29 for Camaro, 18/27 CTS.

Hyundai's Lambda 3.8L v6 290 hp and 260 ft-lb of torque with 18/27 for Genesis and 206 hp and 266 ft-lb of torque with 17/27 for Genesis Coupe.

GM wins gas mileage and torque or horsepower and torque.

GM's L99, 6.2L v8 400 hp and 410 ft-lb of torque. 16/25 for Camaro (sorry, no sedan with it currently).

Hyundai's Tau 4.6L v8 375 hp and 333 ft-lb of torque 17/25 for Genesis.

GM wins power and torque big time, losses a point for city mileage.

Moral of the story, Hyundai can make an N/A inline 4 better then GM and that's where it ends. They come close to each other or GM win's whole heartily beyond that. Also keep in mind that the current Malibu gets 22/33 with the non DI 2.4L. Just adding DI alone should get it to 23/34 without any other tweaks.

Also forgot to mention, all the above are much closer weight wise then a Sonata vs LaCrosse.

I must be getting old. I think this is a nice looking car and would consider buying one if I wanted a big car like this.

I always understood Buick had good reliability. You see alot of old ones around.

As far as Hyundai....I just can't take them seriously. Then again, I don't shop at Walmart either. I don't buy based on price, its false economy.

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but I'm kind of a Hyundai fan. I was seriously considering Genesis Coupe which does not make 206hp it makes 306hp (310hp with premium fuel). It gets 17/26 as far as milage and weighs a TON less then the oversized Camaro LT with which you are comparing it to. Because of these factors the Genesis Coupe outruns the Camaro LT in a drag, which is not its specailty, and with its 4-piston Brembo brakes on all four wheels it could probably come to a complete stop before the Camaro LT even crossed the finish line.

This Buick is a great looking car though, and I don't think the price is too outrageous. But, besides the badge, there is really no room to dis on a Hyundai this day in age.

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Chevy can win as many MPG and power challenges as they want, they still make ugly cars with less than stellar quality.

Would you even consider driving a Cobalt over a Genesis Coupe?

A Malibu over a 2011 Sonata?

If so, that explains a lot.

I do think that's a decent looking car though, especially for a Buick.

It looks suspiciously like the old Rover 75, and that was a great-looking car.

I don't know why people keep thinking Hyundai makes quality cars....Noya, pull up some stats to help everyone out.

But in agreement with Trooper, it's easy to see significant leaps in subsequent generations and there's no real way to be sure of 2010 models long term reliability....so take your gamble on GM, or Hyundai, or VW....as long as you like the vehicle that's what counts.

I actually would choose this over the Hyundai because I own a 2006 Hyundai Sonata V6 and its been in the shop for a bad cvvt valve (causing engine to go into limp mode), a crankshaft pully that came apart while drving (plastic!!), twice for the passenger seat airbag weight sensor and two different power door locks not functioning.

Blue, sorry, mis-typed the 206, meant 306. You correct about weight difference though, however it is much closer at 3400 lbs for the Genesis Coupe 3.8L vs Camaro 3.6L at 3700 lbs then Sonata vs LaCrosse. That should mean that the Genesis in theory would get better mileage when in fact it gets worse. Camaro is rumored to have some more tricks for 2011 as well.

Um, hate to burst your bubble Gary, but I hate bow-ties. So I wouldn't pick a Malibu or Sonata. I would grab the new Regal in a year or so if I was in a market for a FWD economy car. And given the choice between the Malibu and the Sonata, I would take the Malibu. I have 3 aunts that have Sonata's, and I hate driving those things. Likewise, I don't need a Cobalt SS because I have a Sky Redline in my garage that I inherited. And I would take a Sky or Solstice over a Genesis Coupe.

Also keep in mind that the Malibu will be all new for 2012. So it won't be the 2008 Bu vs the 2011 Sonata, it will be the 2011 Sonata vs the 2012 Bu.

@thetruth, thanks for that last line. I have said that a few times on here, most of which @Noya.

For 27K I'd rather get a new Accord with V6 engine. Buick with 4-cyl? No way. Ford Taurus SHO - yes.

@DuDe

$40k+ for a Taurus? No way, I'd spend less money and buy a 3-series BMW.

@Totenglocke

3-series BMW for less than 40K will not be a good car to enjoy. It will be an empty box with a BMW name on it. I would pick SHO over it. For a good performing 3-series, you'd get in to 50K territory. If you are only looking to get in to a BMW brand - then yes, it's ok. However, if you would like to get a performance sedan - not really.
Besides, my only point in previous post was to show I do not hate American-made cars and do like Ford's creation called "SHO", but do dislike GM (had a few of those before).

Um, DuDe, you can get a 335i for 40k. Not only will it perform better, but also be more fun to drive. Might have something to do with the fact that it isn't a FWD based AWD, 4,400 pound land barge.

@DuDe

"For a good performing 3-series, you'd get in to 50K territory."

Wrong. A 328i is better than most cars out there and a 335i starts at $40k and is infinitely better than a Taurus SHO for the same money. Those perform just as well as the ones with useless options like "heated seats" and other inane crap that only fat, lazy Americans care about. You've obviously never been in a BMW if you think that just because it doesn't have navigation and heated seats bloating the price that it's "useless" or because it's the entry level engine that it's "boring". Not true at all.

The SHO IS a decent car, but it's nothing compared to a BMW. Also, the SHO is about $10k overpriced. I'd definitely look at an SHO if it was $30k, but there are several cars that are better once you go up to $40k.

some of you are ridiculous. comparing gas mileage of cars in different classes. bigger cars are going to get worse mileage typically. and touting GM's HP and TQ wins over hyundais when its got an extra 80 cubic inches or so isnt going to win you any fans. for its first major foray into V8 motors and large nicer cars the genesis is pretty damn good. and the gen coupe is larger than the cobalt + they cant use the 290hp 2.0L version because of some deal with kia, who gets to use it in the forte coupe. they have to wait so they dont cannibalize sales. and then who would buy the v6 gen coupe if a turbo4 is cheaper lighter and gets better mileage with only 16 less hp.

as for this car i wouldve like to see the LNF in it instead of the 2.4. probably wouldve been a better fit but then they couldnt push the 3.0L 6. i like to buy american when i can which is why i drive a cobalt. but in reality they need to adapt or die. ANY domestic brand, not just gm.

Tau v8 is DOHC while LSx is OHV. Having an OHV engine without displacement doesn't work, look at all the small OHV engines GM replaced with DOHC. That is like having a diesel without a turbo.

The 3.0L engine is weak. There is no point to it other then it being cheaper then the 3.6L. The LNF is a better engine by far then the LF1. As for a 2.0L turbo with 290 hp getting better mileage then a v6, if past examples are any indication, it won't. STi and Evo are the two big examples. Another example is the LP9. GM estimates 15/21 for mileage in the SRX, but GM's 5.3L makes similar horsepower and torque and is good for 15/21, 15/22 in XFE in much bigger, heavier trucks. More air = more gas.

@totenglocke

"...never been in a BMW if you think..."
I own one. Bought it in June of this year.

"...useless options like "heated seats" and other inane crap that only fat, lazy Americans care about..."
Are you skinny and angry Chinese? You talk like one. Let me tell you, I'm not fat and lazy and was not even born here, but not everything American is bad. I do care about those options. Heated seats are very nice in the morning, when it's chilly outside. Especially, if you have leather seats... but then, I forgot, you like your cars bare and w/o real leather in them. BTW, discussion started on 4-cyl. BUICK, you go ahead and buy it. I would prefer Ford Taurus SHO from the list of American cars. That is because I have a choice I did not have before I moved to US.

@Avatar:

"Um, DuDe, you can get a 335i for 40k."
Yes, and you can get a SHO for 34K, but it would not be a car the way I would want it. Just like 3x series w/o options for 40K.

On what planet? SHO starts at $38,595 MSRP and invoice is $35,408 (Ford doesn't include destination charges, which everyone pays and are $825 for the SHO). So you expect dealers to sell a brand new, relatively hot model for below invoice? Good luck with that.

@Avatar:

I'm sorry, but looks like you have never heard of dealer incentives and holdbacks. For Ford being made in USA it is very real to get one below invoice. Moreover, I would never pay more. Also, just take a look at the pricing for yourself at www(space)carsdirect(dot)com. They are a bit higher that what one could negotiate at the dealer, but you can get SHO verson of Taurus for around 36K even from them. And, no "thank you" is needed on your part.

I am sorry, guess you never heard of supply and demand. New Model+Hot Item+Enthusiast's Car+Lack of Supply+High Demand doesn't equal invoice pricing. Any dealer would be stupid to sell it at or below invoice right now since Ford isn't making enough of the SHO apparently. And unless my basic math is off, 36k is 2k more then 34k and closer to 40k for the 335i. Likewise, you can wheel and deal with BMW dealerships as well, chances are not as successfully as at a Ford dealerships however.

I will stay away from the FWD drive base boats, thanks.

@Avatar

LOL! It is nice you agree now SHO is a hot car and that anyone can get it for $36K even w/o negotiations. The rest is a matter of taste. I do not see anything to argue about.

Hmmmm, I don't remember saying that. I remember you saying, "you can get a SHO for 34K" and then I said, "invoice is $35,408" and then you said, "Taurus for around 36K" and then finally, I said, "36k is 2k more then 34k".

You first said 34k, then 36k. I pointed out that 36k is more then 34k that you stated initially. No where did I state anyone can get an SHO for 36k, merely that dealers would be, "be stupid to sell it at or below invoice right now".

Reading comprehension must be down...

@Avatar
Why don't you just say "blah-blah-blah" instead, since your talk does not make sense anymore, kid.