Well goodbye Pontiac Vibe... not that we are really going to miss ya even though it was $1000 cheaper that getting a Toyota Matrix. Its strange that GM would not keep making vehicles based on a Toyota frame work since now more than ever they need fuel efficient cost effective vehicles. But now that Toyota and Subaru have a partnership sorta to make a new 4 wheel drive sports coupe it should not be so bad.

What else could be expect from GM? More Chevy Volts down the line that hopefully dont break down or have to recharge every couple of hours?

Jeaze, there is nothing about Corolla platform that GM can't get from Delta II. Made no sense to stay there.

Yeah, there is nothing GM could get from the Corolla platform except for a high quality and reliable vehicle. GM has proven with just about every other car they have built by themselves that high quality and reliability are not priorities.

There goes the best car in GM's lineup.

Is that plant non-union?
My guess is that it is and that tool obambi won't allow that after buying up GM.

Is that plant non-union?
My guess is that it is and that tool obambi won't allow that after buying up GM.

NUMMI is unionized. I hope Toyota kicks out the Union.

"...high quality and reliable vehicle."

Hmmmm, according to JD Power for 2009, Buick tied for number one with Jaguar for Dependability. Then for Initial Quality in 2009, Cadillac is number three and Chevy has 2 problems more per 100 vehicles then Toyota. Last I checked, it was Pontiac that used the Corolla platform, not Buick, Chevy, and/or Cadillac.

I'm not sure I'd call it the "Corolla" platform. It does share the same powertrain, but so did the Celica. And I doubt you'd call the Celica the corolla platform as well.

Hell, most cars don't really have much of a platform anymore as it is. A few GM examples shared the same unibody with different panels....or the Matrix and Vibe.

Buick and Cadillac probably got good dependability because old people drive them and tend to put less strain on their vehicles and maintain their cars better.

JD Power sucks. I put more credence in a handful of fart than that crappy company and their poorly designed surveys. And that is all I have to say about that.

"...Cadillac probably got good dependability because old people" Yea, the 'old people' DTS sells half as much as the CTS, just about the same as the STS and Escalade. So much for that statement.

"JD Power sucks" ahhh, I get it now. When the surveys and magazines say imports are getting bad and domestics are getting good, surveys and magazines 'suck'. But when they bash domestics and praise imports, they are the bible of car knowledge. Just wanted to clarify.

Nope, that is not it. I gladly welcome higher quality domestically designed and built cars. I feel a nation that builds its own products is a much stronger nation.

But, I still thing JD Power is a joke and the data it publishes is crap. I don't care who they say is quality or not, I let my personal experiences, and those of the people I know, guide my buying of vehicles. Have I seen more people have better experiences from Japanese cars recently? Yes. I myself drove a GM product for 3.5 years and it was an awful car. Truly an embarrassment to those who designed and built it. Having had such a bad experience, who would think it wise to buy another vehicle from a particular manufacturer risking another such experience? I wouldn't. I buy who I feel will give me the most for my money, surveys and articles be damned. I am not a lemming and won't give my money to a company that I don't feel will earn my hard earned dollars.

And, my, my, my, Avatar, aren't you the one with the self righteous tone!

Now that, is all that I have to say about that.

Darn, that should have said "I still think"...

"Yeah, there is nothing GM could get from the Corolla platform except for a high quality and reliable vehicle. GM has proven with just about every other car they have built by themselves that high quality and reliability are not priorities."

Tisk tisk Chad. Call me self righteous? Said it before and will say it again, I don't care for people who spread FUD. That statement was a whole lot of FUD. I am all for having an opinion, but when that opinion turns into FUD is where I draw the line. Once again, why I don't get into 'looks' debates.

"Have I seen more people have better experiences from Japanese cars recently? Yes." Again, more FUD. That is your opinion. For every good experience you can give about an import, I am sure someone can give one about a domestic. And even then, you can't be sure if they are telling the truth or just trying to spread FUD themselves.

"I myself drove a GM product for 3.5 years and it was an awful car." That's great for you, doesn't mean the rest of the world has bad experiences. Sounds like you are turning preachy.

"I buy who I feel will give me the most for my money..." Finally, a good statement, only took a bunch of FUD before it came out. Told this to Noya what seems like ages ago, when buying something as expensive as cars are, you should be happy with your purchase.

Other than my original statement being somewhat inflammatory, what of the rest of my statements can be correctly referred to as FUD.

They are personal opinions. I did not say all American cars are crap using as evidence any number of baseless claims. I was speaking from personal experience, and that experience was exactly as I stated it. What part of it constituted Fear, Uncertainty, and/or Doubt? I was merely using anecdotal evidence to illustrate why I feel the way I do.

I am sorry if my 1st amendment right to express my opinions rubbed you the wrong way. But please, get a grip.

You go and run for the FUD shack while ignoring that not everyone believes the way you do.

By your own standards, your own statement "Jeaze, there is nothing about Corolla platform that GM can't get from Delta II. Made no sense to stay there," is nothing but pure FUD itself. You recriminate others for something you do yourself.

I can't hardly wait for your reply, or will you attempt to take your moral high ground and not reply based on the idea that in doing so, you would be forced to step down from your marble soap box?

"Have I seen more people have better experiences from Japanese cars recently? Yes." This statement isn't an opinion, you are stating it as a fact. Which part is opinionated in this statement exactly? And how exactly can we back your statement up? That's right, we can't. While it may be a personal experience, you used it to spread, wait for it, FUD. Same with the following statement. If you notice, I don't post bad things about anything, like my friend has a car that's a Ford that lasted 100 miles before it started to fall apart or I had a Honda that took me through 3.5 years of hell. Only time I really do that is with recalls and/or sales numbers, which again, are facts with no base for opinion. Or I give my opinion on cars I have driven/ridden in.

Oh, my statement is FUD is it? Delta II under pins the Cruze, the Volt, the Astra, the Orlando, the Tacuma, the Ampera, the Zafira, the 9-1, and a future Buick. That covers sub compacts to compacts, 2 doors to 5, Voltec cars to turbo cars to N/A cars, and spans the global market with models. So once again, what exactly does GM get with the Corolla platform that they can't get from Delta II? If you find FUD with all the above backing up my statement, then I think you need to reevaluate your definition on what exactly fear, uncertainty, and doubt are.

So first I was a preacher, then I am running to the FUD shack and ignoring everyone because they don't think like me, and now I am on a moral soap box? Seems you have me wearing ten different hats. I suppose next I will be a magazine writer that you hate oh so much or an opinionated, assine redneck. You seem awfully opinionated more about what I am instead of the cars/articles on here...

As an outside observer, I can't side with either point of view in this entertaining little exchange, but I will say that if Avatar hadn't started flinging the FUD mud, a whole lot of energy would have been used for more useful pursuits.

It is a shame that opinions can no longer be expressed without the FUD/Internet/Grammar police lurking on the world wide web to terrorize those who wish only to exchange ideas, opinions, and experiences.

Stop screaming about FUD and just enjoy the free and open exchange of information. Will all of it be worthy of consideration? Probably not, but seriously, the past few posts on this page are absolutely pathetic. Get a life, both of you!!!!

Of course, only a socialist/communist would see fit to police the internet and peoples' thoughts, then again with Barry Hussein Obama in office, such a person would feel right at home.

Now, having said all of that, weren't we talking about cars originally?.....

"You seem awfully opinionated more about what I am instead of the cars/articles on here..."

Nuff said.

What the hell is going on here?

Yawn. I am bored now, Avatar no longer wants to play!