2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe Sales Are "Simply Smoking"

It'll be more interesting to see how many of these are still on the road in 3-5 years. Not saying Hyundai has bad quality or anything, just saying they don't have a history of great quality.

Look at that first...

It's not surprising that the car is initially doing well. It's a nice design and really fills a gap in the market. The demographic that this car is aimed towards, young adults between 18 and 30 I'd guess, probably aren't feeling the pinch of the economic downturn as much or have known about this car and saved up. Either way, it's good to see they're selling. This is the perfect example of designing a car that people want to buy. GM, Chrysler, are you watching? And to a lesser extent Ford.

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@ Brian

These cars will still be around. Hyundai's quality really hasn't been that bad. If it was so bad why would they offer a 10 year / 100,00 mile warranty on their cars, wouldn't they just be getting alot of them back? Beyond that, I see Tiburons and Elantras all the time around here. Hyudai's also made a big push to improve their quality, the same way Ford has except that Hyundai started a few years prior. I guess only time will tell but I think time will be good to Hyundai.

I wonder if this means the genesis sedan is doing poorly. Still wouldn't buy this for 30k, uber-garbage interior for that amount of money, but that's still a personal preference. I wonder how many of these will be returned to Hyundai when people lose their jobs and take advantage of their sales promotion.

D!, the reason is because the 10yr/100,000 mile warranty is non-transferable. That means all those 3 year lease cars that are sold as used don't have it. Now GM's 5yr/100,000 mile warranty is fully transferable along with Roadside Assistance and Courtesy Transportation program for the same time period.

@Avatar

Do a little research, the warranty is fully transferable up to 5 years or 50,000 miles.

How about you do a little research? The transferable part is 5 yr/60,000 mile for date of original purchase, or 2 years left after a 3 year lease. For any car I have as a daily driver, that will be long gone since I average about 40,000 miles a year on cars, another 20,000 miles a year on trucks. The average American is up to around 12-15k a year now, so that would leave a year left on worst case, 2 at the best.

"Avatar:
D!, the reason is because the 10yr/100,000 mile warranty is non-transferable. That means all those 3 year lease cars that are sold as used don't have it."

What the hell are you even talking about? 5 year/60,000 miles transferable is what it is. Sucks to be you if you drive that much in 2 years, most people don't. So for most people, they will be looking at 2 years and 15,000-20,000k left to transfer the warranty after their lease is up. Most people don't lease cars either. God help you if you can't afford a hyundai or a kia so you have to lease one. I bought a tiburon, drove the hell out of if, and then sold it right around 4 years, 48k miles (which is average miles per year), and the buyer got the full warranty for the remaining 5ish years or 52k miles. I fail to see whats worth complaining about here.

Wow. Allow me to use Crtl+C and Crtl+V here.

Me, "10yr/100,000 mile warranty is non-transferable"

You, "the warranty is fully transferable up to 5 years or 50,000 miles. " No, it is a different warranty for 5 yr/60,000 miles.

Me, "The transferable part is 5 yr/60,000 mile for date of original purchase"

You, "5 year/60,000 miles transferable is what it is. "

And then you again, "sold it right around 4 years, 48k miles (which is average miles per year), and the buyer got the full warranty for the remaining 5ish years or 52k miles."

Now allow me to copy and paste from Hyundai's website: "Covers repair or replacement of powertrain components (i.e. selected Engine and Transmission/Transaxle components), originally manufactured or installed by Hyundai that are defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance. Coverage applies to Original Owner only effective with 2004 Model Year and newer model year vehicles. On 1999-2003 Model Years, coverage applies to Original Owner and immediate family members (i.e. wife, husband, daughter, son, stepdaughter, stepson).

Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5 year / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Excludes coverage for vehicles in commercial use (i.e. taxi, route delivery, delivery service, rental, etc.)."

And another copy and paste for you, "Hyundai’s 100,000-mile powertrain warranty is non-transferable to used-car owners; it’s only applicable to the original owner. Bummer, right? Once the car leaves the original purchaser, the second and subsequent owners have a five-year/60,000-mile — from the manufacturing date — warranty."

Now the warranty doesn't reset with a new owner. So the person who bought your Tiburon only had 12k miles or 1 year left where as if you kept it, it would have been 52k or 6 years. The date of warranty is from the date of original purchase, not second or subsequent purchases. Maybe you should research a little more before you go buying cars.

Hyundai has been perfecting their business plan for the last 10 years. They have improved their respective reliability, offered competitive vehicles, and undercut their competitors.

The main stumbling block for them is residual values.

However, the Genesis Coupe is very appealing, RWD, choice of two good engines (I think the 2.0L Turbo will be a tuner's dream), decent styling (IMO).

Sheesh, now I remember why I quit posting here, I never said the warranty date reset for the guy, I just said he got the REST of the powertrain warranty, which he did, because it was fully transferable, maybe they aren't transferable now, which would be something I didn't know, but it sure was when I bought it. The guy who bought it from me is still rollin on my powertrain warranty.

Now let's try basic math, 2009-1999 equals 10. Power train warranty was for 10 years. It was only transferable to immediate family members from 1999-2003 as stated on Hyundai's website. So that means it was transferable in 1998 and it is 2009. 2009-1998 equals 11. This means it is impossible for the guy to still have the original factory warranty. And as stated, it was impossible for him to get the rest of your warranty since it becomes a different warranty upon resale.

why is everyone arguing about the warranty, who cares. all I know is despite how fast and furious this car may be i would never drive a soul-less korean car. this car just shows everyone how cheap you are, save up and get a used 3 series, or get a mustang, at least those are respectible looking cars.

@Akkadain and Avatar...

WOW!!! What a heated, yet interesting debate about a car's warranty. Well anyway, I applaud Hyundai for their hard work andmajor turn around from the past!

@theJester

"this car just shows everyone how cheap you are, save up and get a used 3 series, or get a mustang, at least those are respectable looking cars"

One thing tho consider is the '10 Mustang is just plain FUNGLY!!! and a used 3 series is going to be a monster for maintenance!!! Why do you thing BMW is offering such a crappy warranty. Even they don't trust their cars!!

first off the 2010 mustang is a hell of a lot nicer then this ricer and secondly who cares about the warranty, a 3 series maybe a bad comparison i admit, they are rather expensive, but the mustang is in the same market as that genesis thing and its a much higher quality, it has good looks, better interior, and is just down right "cooler" then a hyundai. What kind of girls are you gonna pick up in a hyundai, none.. haha

first off the 2010 mustang is a hell of a lot nicer then this ricer and secondly who cares about the warranty, a 3 series maybe a bad comparison i admit, they are rather expensive, but the mustang is in the same market as that genesis thing and its a much higher quality, it has good looks, better interior, and is just down right "cooler" then a hyundai. What kind of girls are you gonna pick up in a hyundai, none.. haha

first off the 2010 mustang is a hell of a lot nicer then this ricer and secondly who cares about the warranty, a 3 series maybe a bad comparison i admit, they are rather expensive, but the mustang is in the same market as that genesis thing and its a much higher quality, it has good looks, better interior, and is just down right "cooler" then a hyundai. What kind of girls are you gonna pick up in a hyundai, none.. haha

The warranty is still good even if it is not transferrable. It is a nice car on paper. The way I see it, its good for all involved. The only competition in the RWD coupe category at this price range is the 370z and the Mustang GT. With the Subaru/Toyota RWD cars axed, we should be happy there is even a newcomer in the field. I only hope Hyundai gets better and stronger in the next decade, more choices is a good thing.

Well this car is moderately designed, nothing too extreme and nothing too boring. Personally it's not my kind of car, i'm more of a retro mustang, camero, challenger guy myself, but this car is leaps ahaed of it'sdiscotinued counterpat, the Tiburon.

@thejester

I'm a mustang fan, I've had one for 9 years and still love driving it but the new mustang is going the wrong way.. 28k MINIMUM for a GT? Seriously? 32k for a premium with no options and the trackpack? The one option that makes the 2010 a car worth driving? To me the mustang was always about budget performance but Ford is pricing the car out of it's market.

You can complain all you want about how 'souless' the gensis is, (subjective argument is subjective) but it fills a very big void in the market place.. A RWD sport coupe that starts in the low-mid 20k range. Hey! That's where the mustang used to be!

It's a friggin hyundai......why would you buy that when you can get a 370z........HYYYYYYYYYYYUNDAIIIIIIIIIIIIII Picture Ehonda from street fighter throwing rice....No, but in all seriousness, it's a hyundai, they make them out of empty soda cans.

Speaking of soulless.....I personally think the UAW sucks the soul out of anything they build.

I thought this was called the "Mustang Killer"? Obviously it is going after the V6 Mustang market. A cheaper car to build, lower in quality, ok in looks and no *soul* but (importantly) priced less than the '10 Mustang V6. This is for;
a. the ricer fan-boys who like to tune smaller engine cars with turbo's, fart pipes and tail fins.
b. the idiot that reads consumer report car reviews and hates anything made in America.
c. someone who wants a Mustang style coupe but can't really afford the original but still want a brand new car.
d. A person that is clueless and thinks it is a true performance coupe and likes this style of car regardless of manufacture.

IMO, it is like getting a Suzuki samurai when you really wanted a jeep wrangler. And like owning the copy cat, you would pull behind the original and not next to it at the intersection so you would not be embarrassed. lol.

@sparky:

I actually think Hyundai is doing itself a disservice by making comparisons with a Mustang. IMO, these are two different target demos. The Mustang has for the most part has stayed true to its roots (RWD, solid rear axle, muscle car styling, V6/V8 power and a long standing heritage and loyalty amongst Mustang owners)

The Genesis Coupe has an independant rear, rwd, choice of 4 and 6 cylinder engines. The car targets the G37 Coupe, 370Z with a competitive model that is option heavy and priced less.

It should sell well, but like many sports coupes the sales fade as the years go on.

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WOW! An imposter NOT hellbent on making me look like an inbred trailer-trash retard.

@longdxcommuter

I am not so sure about comparing this to the 370Z. That car is 332hp @270 lb-ft, base price of $29930 (or Touring starting at $34k or $37k with auto). A whole different level of performance and build quality (even if more cost) IMO. And it's a 370Z with style and a long history behind it... It ain't no Hyundai...

Even the 2009 G37X base is $38k base (and $48k loaded). AWD options, 0-60's in the 5.5s, and competes better with the 335i class. More cost, sure, but again it ain't no Hyundai..

And the 2010 Mustang GT V8 will kill this, even with Solid rear suspension, and way more fun in style. I see that the 2010 Mustang shattered the wold's longest drift record at 6285 feet! Yup, over a mile long drifting record. lol. Not that this means much, but hey... that's cool and it's a Mustang.. Between a year or two old Mustang and a new Hyundai for the same cost, you can guess my choice.

But, I do believe this is a car targeted for the lower to middle of the road cost and quality, a good bang for the buck if your willing to compromise. Good luck to them. I'm sure it will sell.

When did the 370Z gain a long history?

Because it's a Z or it's a Datsun?

Cause that's a lot like saying a Mini has some serious heritage cause the original model is like 50 years old...which relates how to the current ones?

Besides the RWD part an old 280Z or 300ZX isn't exactly like a 350/370....

Much like people have a hard time lumping the RX7 in with the RX8... yes they are both rotory powered, but the RX7 at least had power.

I like how sparky implies this is a copy cat and an owner would be intimidated at a stop light. Last time I checked the newer mustangs are just posing as a sports coupe and while they do pull up at a stop light, they're left in the dust when it goes green. Nothing like being blown away by a used 330 (which do brake down all the time, just like v6 mustangs)

Staying true to their roots with a solid rear axel? That's like saying having no ABS and 4 wheel drum brakes is a good thing. Sparky is why people think American's are stupid, justifying your beliefs with anything you can instead of just saying you like it and standing behind your opinion. Coward.

Solid rear axles have their place in motorsports. That place just isn't on a road course or twisty mountain road. Now that's not to say they can't be made to handle very well but they'll never handle as well as an IRS.

I like the looks of this. I like the price. I like the RWD and numbers. I'd have to drive it to know if it's 'soulless' or not, but that's true for ANY car.

But I do know that if I were in high school this car would make me salivate. Looks good, has good numbers, and is low enough in price that prospects of owning one aren't purest fantasy. Tantalizing.+

@thetruth:

While I agree that the comment of "Staying true to their roots with a solid rear axle? That's like saying having no ABS and 4 wheel drum brakes is a good thing" has some truth to it, perhaps a quick explanation will help understand the solid rear axle decision.

Mustangs have always been drag racing cars, and a solid rear axle mean't that a 4.11 or higher rear differential could be swapped in at the track in minutes, for better quarter mile times. Once done racing, a couple more minutes, and a lower final gear rear diff is swapped back in and you can drive home without reving your engine to 6000 RPM.

Yes it's really old school, but there was a pretty good reason for it, even if you don't agree with it.

I would be curious to know what a mustang with a modern RWD setup could do, but probably not curious enough to ever buy one.

Top Gear actually did that test Paul. They pitted a GT500 vs a Stage 3 Roush Mustang. The GT500 with 500hp destroyed the Roush with only 430hp in a drag and 0-60. However, the Roush walked all over the GT500 at the track thanks in part to IRS.

Solid rear is also better for dragging since IRS has a tendancy to wheel hop. This is part of the reason why the 05-06 GTOs weren't as fast as 02 Firehawks and Camaro SS's in the quarter mile/0-60 despite having more power and better power to weight ratios. The GTOs, however, handle much better and a much better ride quality to do lower upsprung weight. Solid rear also tends to weigh less the IRS, another reason for using it in drag racing where weight is a big factor in drag times.

All this talk about Ford using solid rears so they can have better quarter mile times is BS to me. We're all fairly smart individuals here; we all know the REAL reason for a solid rear is: COST. It's cheaper; pure and simple. Ford did not design the car for drag racers or track enthusiasts but for normal average people hence the live rear. Most people do not even notice the live rear. They haven't noticed for 40 some odd years now so Ford is not going to change it. This is a business here.

That aside, '03 and '04 SVT "terminator" cobras are pure evil on the streets. They had explosive power. They're monstrous from a dig or a roll and they have an IRS. Modified, they had supercar acceleration. It handled decently well too. I don't see many GT500s but the one I did see lost to an SRT-4 of all cars.

Btw Avatar, what is the final drive on the GTO as compared to the Camaro? I had always believed that the camaro was the better car than the mustang back in the 90s but that's just me. The new one seems a bit too heavy to compete but has more power too, we'll see if they'll lose again this time around.

@Brian

The Z really does have heritage. The 240z was an icon. It had a solid engine, good looks, and great performance. When the 240z came out, most rivals still used live rears and leaf springs (hell, the z06 still does! Leaf springs I mean). The Z had a full independent suspension. The designer of the car also designed the BMW 507 and the Toyota 2000GT. Try finding the 2000GT on the market, it's almost as expensive as Ford's GT500.

The Firehawks had 3.42 for manuals and 3.23 for autos. The GTOs had 3.46 for either auto or manual.

The nice part about Zeta, however, it seems they have fixed the wheel hop issues. The new Camaro SS runs 0-60 in 4.6s with 425 hp and 3800 lb curb weight. It is heavier then the GTO by 100 lbs, with only 25 more hp, but a quicker sprint to 60 by a few tenths of a second. Now they say every 100 lbs added or subtracted is like adding or taking away 10 hp. So that is 15 hp more for those tenths now.

And you also add another good point to solid rear vs IRS, solid rear is cheaper.

@ thetruth:

"justifying your beliefs with anything you can instead of just saying you like it and standing behind your opinion. Coward."

Just because you seem to hate America and those who like Mustangs does not mean that someone who does is stupid. Rather, childish immature little jerks who post idiotic comments like you make America look stupid (assuming you are an American - I hope not). Jeez, grow up and get a life. I own and enjoy my 2006 Mustang GT Convertible every day I drive it, and I stand behind my opinions. What do you drive? A Camry?

thetruth == ignore little jerk

I can vouch for hyundai's reliability
I had an 2003 tiburon for 4 yrs and 80k+ miles..I went through sand storms and snow storms with this car as I drove through the mountains a lot...for days..I only had to replace battery and tires..if someone didn't hit my car going 60 mph when I was stopped, it would still be alive and running..and let's not forget I walked out of that crash without a scratch..

Don't listen to the rumors of how Hyundai has bad reliability..people might have lemons and all companies have lemons..but they are not the same company as back in the days

If I had a mullet, maybe I'd buy a Mustang. Until then, I'll opt for the classier look of the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. It looks like a cross between a Ferrari and a Nissan. And I look like Magnum driving it. So there.

sparky, are all Americans as bigotted and ignorant as you?

Rather than trying to get personal with thetruth and pick a fight cuz he doesn't seem that American to you, how about shutting up - you're making Americans look bad.

And what's wrong with 'ricers'? Here in New Zealand pretty much EVERYONE has ricers from Japan and South Korea. We've always had and have no problems with them.

American cars on the other hand... only fuel-hungry Fords are seen.

sparky, are all Americans as bigotted and ignorant as you?

Rather than trying to get personal with thetruth and pick a fight cuz he doesn't seem that American to you, how about shutting up - you're making Americans look bad.

And what's wrong with 'ricers'? Here in New Zealand pretty much EVERYONE has ricers from Japan and South Korea. We've always had and have no problems with them.

American cars on the other hand... only fuel-hungry Fords are seen.