This looks incredibly awesome. Looks very smart in the fuel management system.

Too little too late doesn't even come close. Their getting back on target if you ask me.

good work gm you have sepnt countless millions in persuit of a car that most people wouldent buy just to boost your brand appeal? i bet the tax payers are going to love this vechicle once you go bankrupt and require a govt. bailout to keep the thousands of honest hardworking american working. when is enough? enough? it brings me no joy to say i am ashamed of this vechicle as the R/D costs coul dhave goan into the VOLT and other energy saving vehicles to strengthen our economy but instead we have a new V8 pos on the streets chewing fuel and warming the planet. bob lotz your a fool and the downfall of gm rests squarly on the shoulders of the man in charge and in this case its Lutz.

yes its fun to drive yes its cool but for a company struggeling to stay afloat its a 50LB dumbell chanied to the ankel of our economy.

dont let this hapen again bob or you will have hell to pay...

first!

If you're interested, you can watch the reveal of the Camaro on GMnext.com live on Monday beginning at 4 p.m. EDT. Also, GMnext is hosting a series of Web chats with some people who worked on the car on Tuesday beginning at 9:30 a.m. EDT. Go to http://camaro.gmnext.com for all the details.

how mang effing times do they have to show this car, just effing stop already....

nice looking car, probably going to be too heavy for it to perform amazingly. As for lotus1 you have no idea how stupid you are. Why dont you complain about mercedes and how they spend millions of dollars a day on their cars that get 10 miles per gallon or toyota who cant make something exciting to save thier life. I dont see gm falling anytime soon thye have lots of money and have many brands they can sell before that happens. Even if this car cost millions of dollars what its doing is creating millions of dollars in marketing for their other cars just like the nissan gtr because the rest of nissans lineup is garbage or too expensive for what your getting aka versa. Why dont you complain about yourself because as a comsumer base people where buying trucks and big engined cars for very long until gas prices went out of control which is now causing the big 3 to shift their lineups dramatically. As well as the volt couldnt be released up until recently anyway as Toyota holds the patents on the hybrid technology and payment for usage would have made the car too expensive to sell. Rant over.

Well, there still IS demand for cars like this. Ford's Mustang Sales are down, but they still sold almost 11,000 of them last month.

Not bad for a car that has less than stellar gas mileage, a fairly impractical back seat, and limited cargo room.

The fact is that some people just don't want to drive little cars.

Um, the R&D was already done, it is just a re-badge if you want to be technical. Zeta platform, G8 uses it, Holden uses it a lot, and Caddy is getting ready to use it. It was meant to be a global platform. If anything, it is going to help recoup R&D costs.

A Mustang has horrible gas mileage, a worthless back seat, etc etc. As you pointed out JB, it still manages to sell 11,000 a month.

Looks like a cross between a Ford mustang and a Cadillac cts. I remember the last camaro I owned. Biggest piece of crap ever. I've owned close to 30 cars of all makes of brands, foreign and domestic and the camaro hands down was the most unreliable. Hopefully this time around GM is putting out a quality product. I'm guessing with all the money they sank into development of this car, the money probably would have been better spent developing a small sporty 4 door car with a turbo and a six-speed that could rival Honda, Toyota and even VW. Time will tell if it was worth it or not I guess.

Another nail in the coffin.

Oh my my, thats one sexy mutha.

Finally something to compete against the Mustang.

Im really digging the old school/new age gauges. Really nice touch.

F*ck a melted marshmellow, quadrouple turbo'd, TDI hunk of garbage with rusted frames and sludge issues.

Is that the Transformers car?

anybody else notice the TQ guage next to the shifter?

In some ways I wish it was as small as the original. Also I wouldn't expect much for the backseat, it's still basicly a 2+2.

By the way how is a government bailout all that different that getting government subsitties? Once GM gets the Volt going they will be just fine. They have more experience with electric propulsion than all the other car makers combined.

@cs
they already have a car like that its known as a cobalt SS. As well as a turbo coupe known as a sky and pontiac solstice.

unknown:
"Why dont you complain about mercedes and how they spend millions of dollars a day on their cars that get 10 miles per gallon or toyota who cant make something exciting to save thier life. I dont see gm falling anytime soon thye have lots of money and have many brands they can sell before that happens. Toyota holds the patents on the hybrid technology"

Because MB isn't going bankrupt (they have high margins) and their demographic is people who can pay $10/gal be just dandy.

As for the Toyota comment, there's PLENTY of reasons they're #1, namely quality products that don't fall apart after 50k and they have great resale.

You don't see GM falling? Are you BLIND?
They've been bleeding red for several years, their stock is garbage and their vehicles aren't on the same quality level as the Japanese.
As for brands they can sell off....what and to who?
Hummer is a joke...what's left? Saab?
They won't sell Cadillac and that's about it.

And to blame Toyota for the Volt taking forever to come to market...that's just STUPID! They're not even the same type of hybrid.

RX-7 Guy
"Once GM gets the Volt going they will be just fine."

Yeah, sure. A limited production 10,000 unit a year model is going to pull them out of them red (no less one that requires a $15k battery). I mean come on, the Corvette sells about 30,000 units a year.

They need a car like the Toyota Camry that sells 250,000 a year to pull them out of the red.

I was first on this post Lotus1 :(
:) I think your just ashamed that GM can start kicking and screaming to be number 1 again. Fuel cost are going to come down to 2.99 this winter. Still higher than what it was last year. But at least the congress is starting to realize that our gas surplus shouldn't mean higher prices at the pump, Just watch, it's going to start falling and GM is going to be in high cotton again due to have better milage vehicles in the larger sized vehicles than its competitors. The Ford Mustang I own in 86 was the worst piece of crap that I've ever owned. Followed by the Ford Ranchero I owned as well. I'm so fused against Ford vehicles I won't touch one again. Even the Lincons I've own were crap in no time flat.
I've owned more GM vehicles than any other brand and have had less problems than any other car brand that I've owned. Nuff said, it's quiting time!

@CS

They already have a car like that. It is the Cobalt SS. It uses a fairly fuel efficient turbo and it will spank the Civic, the Rabbit, and what does Toyota have with a turbo?

You see, GM is trying, and people here keep claiming that GM needs to do this, or that, yet, when they do, they either don't pay attention, or don't care...

at least they didnt totally bomb the interior like dodge did with the challenger

"the money probably would have been better spent developing a small sporty 4 door car with a turbo and a six-speed that could rival Honda, Toyota and even VW"

I already have 10 different ones to choose from, and I don't want any of them. I still want RWD and 2 doors. I want a muscle car, not a do-everything-family-sedan-commuter-car-wanna-be-sporty car-fwd-thingy.

The cobaltss is, in my opinion, one of the best cars out right now. With fantastic performance and superb gas mileage. Y'all should give it some more attention.

I'll never buy american made until the UAW is no more. I hate them, and don't want to support them in any way. If Chevy booted the UAW(impossible) I'd go buy one tomorrow. (I realize it'd still be union made, but at least the money would go to a better place eventually)

@gt-r is god
Your right mb does have a demographic of people who can spend that much money and thats fine but for many years they were loosing lots of money alot of that had to do with thier joint venture with chrysler and smart. You speak as if you know toyota quality is great. I have had several toyotas in my family as well as friends and currently own one as well as other american made vehicles. My sisters toyota tundra or truck w/e it was had a crankshaft snap on the highway almost causing a accident at 57k miles. My sisters tercel she had before that seized at 87k miles due to a oil burning problem. My mothers camry has ac poblems the dealer refuses to fix because they dont know why its happening. Now for my experiences with the toyota dealerships with my current car have been horrible. My fist visit for an oil change resulted in the dealer having to paint my hood because a tech of theirs wrench scratch all the way accross the hood.
As for gms brands they have many
Buick
Cadillac
Chevrolet
Daewoo
GMC
Holden
Hummer
Opel
Pontiac
Saab
Saturn
Vauxhall
Ps name one exicting car toyota makes. Hmm cant think of one must be why there dumping so much money into subaru for their fuel effiecnt cars. Anyone know the brand subaru before the wrx and wrx sti came out.

Two true stories:

My friend bought a Chevy Malibu new from a GM dealership and had barely driven 500 feet from the lot when a spring in the driver's seat broke loose, tore through the "leather" upholstery, and impaled itself in his prostate. He can no longer drive nor sit for extended periods of time, has lost both his wife and girlfriend, and is now considered unemployable and borderline suicidal.

My cousin recently bought a Toyota Prius and some girl came up to him and told him how much she admired his car. Well, one thing led to another and now they're engaged with a wedding set for October. Turns out she's an heiress to some oilfield fortune. He spends most of his time sailing, golfing, and having great sex.

Draw your own conclusions.

Maybe there could be lots of technical problems with toyotas... but, if there are "lots" problems with toyotas, there are maybe "tons and tons" of problems with GM's. Please, can't you see the BIG difference between domestics and japaneses? Japanese car makers make cars the people want to use because they are "usable". Maybe toyota doesn't have any exciting car out there, too bad that "exciting" is not a word that a SMART person would prefer over "reliable". On the other hand, Honda rules!

is it 5 years after the Thunderbird (failure),
6 years after the new Beetle (so so), and
3 years after the new Mini (sofar, so good)?

Well now it is GMs-time with a retrocar...a big one.
Failure guaranteed.

'GM having it wrong' is not news. Why argue over it?

Only if you have less then half a brain left, steal (iso buy) your cars, or if you are a cop, will you drive american brands.

Yes, if you have half a brain, you probably dont know it, and that's when you start to post here.

The facts are not so difficult to understand:
while quality of american brands has gone up (the workers), sophistication has gradually eroded (the management).

Thats why there are now too many brands, with the wrong product mix and old tech in engine, suspention and manufacturing. Very vulnerable vis changing opinions, tastes etc.

Complete lack of vision and, as result, investments.

Funny, but that the Wallstreet guys did get this right....

Back in 1995 I owned a new chevy suburban. It broke down so many times that the road side assistance operator said I was abusing the service and threaten to no longer help me in the future. I haven't bought a GM vehicle since.

I think this car is pretty good-looking. I wouldn't mind winning it and driving it around for a while but I wouldn't spend my own money for it. Still, nice-looking car.

V6 version is going to be terrible. All GM V6 engines 3.1, 3.4, 3.6, 3.8 have problems with intake etc...

I am a toyota fan and proud of it. When I graduated from high school, I wanted 95 mustang. Small sporty and reasonably inexpensive. My parents went out and bought me a brand new 95 Camry my first year of college. At the time, I was against anything japanese. So I treated that camry like crap, hoping it would die and give me an excuse to buy an new american car. I added oil when it needed it, but never did a true oil change in that car for the first 2 years. It had around 35,000 miles when I made the first oil change. And being in college, we always raced during the weekend. Well my attitude changed when I graduated 4 years later. That camry had close to 100,000 miles and had around 10 oil changes. And it started like it was brand new.

I since have purchase 2 more camrys. 2001 for my wife. And another in 2007. I still keep my 95 camry for sentimental reasons, and to see when if ever, it will still stop working. I am proud to say, I am a toyota fan. Lots have said that the design isn't exciting. Well, that may be true, but that isn't why I purchase a toyota.

Ok I will reiterate I like cars that toyota knows how to make small cars with small engines they do those better then anyone else and is why Im proud to say I own one but my experiences with their trucks and biggers cars have been bad. I will admit the tercel was a pos but for 6k or whatever it cost brand new it wasnt bad. Cobaltssman there is noway in hell that your "friend" could have had that happen with the spring as seat springs arent sharp not do they exert pressure upward as they are just a metal wire shaped in an s that goes across the seat rather then up and down. The prius is a ok car as long as you dont plan on keeping it more then 3-4 years before the battery fails which is a costly repair at 3k a pop. The volt will have the same problem as batteries lives are finite. Chevy has made bad cars I wont argue with that but the cars that they spend money on like the corvette or the cobalt ss do work out well and I really dont hear the owners complaining about them.

@unknown

why would i talk shit about american cars, when i own one? that was CKV posting under my name again.

Gorgeous. Simply beautiful. And with the Zeta platform underneath, it should be world-class. Brilliant.

That V6 should help it compete nice against the Z and Genesis coupe. Lets hope it's not too heavy and can pull upper 20's on the highway. Looks nice and all, but it's taking them way too damn long to get this thing out.

Sure beats a Civic or Corolla or Hyundai.

Sure beats a Geely or Dacia or Tata or GreatWall or LimpingGoose.

Man I love having the gauges down that low.
I won't have to watch the road as much as I glance at them to watch the torque gauge move around. Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

If you are a passenger in a new Camaro and want to piss off the driver....

...Pull the e-brake. It's right next to you.

quote lowest iq:
"Yes, if you have half a brain, you probably dont know it, and that's when you start to post here."

"dont"(don't)
LMAO and lowest iq posts here.

"Only if you have less then half a brain left, steal (iso buy) your cars, or if you are a cop, will you drive american brands."

"steal"(still), "american"(American)

"Thats why there are now too many brands, with the wrong product mix and old tech in engine, suspention and manufacturing."

"suspention"(suspension) "Thats"(That's) Got to love how he gets lost in his train of thought, throws in a comma or two, and continues on.

Given the spelling and grammatical errors it would seem lowest iq might be in the less than half a brain category. Well that and he's a biased pile of poo. :)

@Luka :

"V6 version is going to be terrible. All GM V6 engines 3.1, 3.4, 3.6, 3.8 have problems with intake etc..."

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Out of every single thing you could possibly criticize about GM and this Camaro - saying their V6's are terrible is the best thing you can come up with?

Nobody that is remotely close to knowledgeable would criticize the 3800 for reliability (seriously, are you kidding?), and the 3.1/3.4L engines are workhorses.

Not to mention criticizing a 3.6L near 300hp base engine?

Epic fail.

@Todd

Agreed. Though the early 3800 series was a bit questionable in reliability, they did get it right down the line. I'm just hoping the V6 can muster a mid 14's 1/4 mile at least. If not it's going to be relegated to the Chick Car category....

@Gasp!!!

Don't rag on lowestiq too hard, he'll start posting nonsense under your name. There will probably be dumb posts from me just for mentioning it.

On criticizing the V6 engines, no kidding. Gee, the 3800 was only around for 40 YEARS, so I'd say it's pretty reliable.

I'd say with few exceptions (The 4100 Cadillac probably being the best example), GM's engines have been remarkably reliable.

Camry now there is a nice appliance. Do you like the Frigidaire I am driving? LOL Especially the old WWII veterans that wear their hats driving a Camry.

Buick GN 3.8 was a beast and history will repeat in the 3.6Camaro.

No complaints with my Chevrolet and my Ford.

Of course most of the older GM V6's are rock solid, they are cast iron blocks, running pushrods. Not that there is anything wrong with that (as my 2.2L Cavalier was built with that same setup). I think GM is learning from past mistakes and is creating new tech that can go forward for 20+ years much like their stuff from the 80's. I think every car manufacture "knows" how to build a world class car. However that car would be well out of the price range of most people, think of a Porsche (a good one, not the hand me down Boxster). And there in lies your problem, building a "good" car for a very specific price.

I'm a GM/Toyota fan. Honda's can go burn for all I care. The Honda company is fine, and they seem to make decent cars, but every accident/incident that myself or someone I know has been in is with a Honda. Honda and Toyota both see where they have to trim the fat, and both are making choices that are costing them serious long term reliability. Yeah the B16 engine is great, to bad it's not made anymore. Oh, the K20, yeah it's pretty sweet, to bad it's a fair amount more expensive. So yeah, the era of over built, rock solid engines and trannys is coming to an end (well it has to at this point in time). If you want rock solid, you are going to pay for it, and it's not going to be in your economy car.

And how is the GN 3.8 anything remotely close to ANYTHING GM makes now? Unless that V6 Camaro comes with a turbo I don't see the correlation.

I do find it amusing that everyone rags on Toyota for making vanilla cars. You know, vanilla is the best selling flavor of ice cream too.

The 3800 in the GN and GNX was the basis for the 3800 throughout the nineties. It was suppose to be replaced years ago, but GM kept it. It is now suppose to be replaced at the end of this year by the 3500 LZ4 for N/A and the 3.6L LY7 for super charged applications.

There is no relation between the 3800 and the HFV6. The HFV6 has many more forms, was based off the 54 degree V6, and was designed to be flexible in nature, the block can do between 2.8-4.1L. It is also built, featuring forged connecting rods and crank. The team that made the Ecotec made the HFV6. I doubt the there will be issues with the HFV6, since it started in a Caddy as a 2.8L, then moved up to a 3.6L. It is now getting spread out around the rest of GM.

The 3100 was based off of the 3800, so the 3100 is just as tough. The 3400 was the only engine mentioned with intake issues, and has since been discontinued. It was replaced with the High Value engine, which has had no such problems.

this model is killing our economy by diverting valueable resources away from the manufacturing of the VOLT... i have said it before in the 2nd post of this thread.

even if its a global platform and all they did was brand engeneer then in my opinion the cost of the plastic camaro badges was far too much. The VOLT needs to expidited to the showrooms, i will show up on day one for a test drive and hopefully a trade in of my merceds winter beater ml320. I have no doubt that gm can make a great electric car i am willing to take that bet i wont try that with a v8suv. I cant wait to beat Osama by starving him out of his rats nest and make him go to work at my local quicky mart. Fossile fules are stupid if there is any other way to get arround, to go to work, to get away I need to know. the internal combustion engine in all its forms needs to be retired and we need a break at the pump.

@Wayne

Where do you get your information about $2.99 gas? i cant think of any place where anyone has predicted a 1$ drop in gas prices? is this a trick by the republicans to get them back in the white house? 2.99 gas sounds so good i hope your right but i also hope we dont sell ourselves short because i would pay 8$ or 18$ a gallon but you bet i would also buy a chevy volt if i was paying $18.

CAMERO - Proudly copying the Ford Mustang for 40 years!!!

@lotus1:

"Fossile fules are stupid if there is any other way to get arround, to go to work, to get away I need to know."

I'd love to hear about your replacement for fossil fuels since most of our electricity comes from fossil fuels as well. Between coal and natural gas, you've accounted for almost 3/4 of our power generation.

lotus1=ckv

Who cares about gas? Who cares about how you wish this or how you hate that. Who cares how big the engine is or how you wish GM would get with the program and go green. The bottom line is oil. I'm not a tree hugger or some green peace nut, but when it comes to cars how much of a car would you have if it weren’t for oil? Tires alone take 20 gallons of oil a piece not to mention all the plastic and composite materials that are being used every where. You couldn't be reading this if it wasn’t for oil. You wouldn’t have a computer or the internet for that matter. The US alone uses 20 million barrels a day of oil. Oil is here to stay and when it’s gone, it’s gone and then we go back 2 to 300 years if not further backwards in technology.

Todd

@Lotus1:

Exactly what replacement would you propose for truckers, big rigs not F150's, to use to haul over 60% of the goods that are consumed around the world? I'm not sure of any hybrid, full electric, hyrdogen, or any other engine tech that could haul 100's of tons of cargo for thousands of miles. Your views seem very uninformed, you have to look beyond people getting to and from work when talking about eliminating the internal combustion engine for good. It's still the only viable solution in many of it's applications.

Chevy V6 engines simply suck.

I'd rather get Mitsubishi EVO, 4 Cylindar 300HP. You guys are epic failure here...

Gasoline consumption for automobiles is 1/3 of oil consumption.
Industrial processes are another third (or more) of oil consumption.
Diesel consumption is another third of oil consumption. Even if everyone drives an electric bean mobile(made of plastic) we're going to be using a lot of oil.

Sorry y'all, i got a few bolts missing due to the excessive imbreeding in my family line - y'all gone on now and ignore my babbling.

The south will rise again! Yeehaw!

Sorry y'all, i got a few bolts missing due to the excessive imbreeding in my family line - y'all gone on now and ignore my babbling.

The south will rise again! Yeehaw!

Yup, Chevy V6 engines suck. Guess that's why the LLT makes 304 hp, 273 lb-ft at 5200 rpm, 225 lb-ft at 1000 rpm, 82% of peak, and gets 17/26 while in a car weighing 3900 lbs with AWD.

Compared to the 4B11 T/C engine, making 291 hp, 300 lb-ft at 4000 rpm, at 1000 rpm a laughable 100 lb-ft, 33% of peak, and gets 17/22 in a car weighing 3400 lbs with AWD.

Oh, the V6 going into Camaro, LLT. So if it weighs in at 3600 lbs, it should get the same if not better mileage then the CTS.

For comparison, the Mustang. V6 with a 5 speed gets 17/26 making a whooping 210 hp and 240 lb-ft of torque while weighing 3400 lbs. The GT with a 5 speed gets 15/23 making 300 hp and 320 lb-ft of torque while weighing 3500 lbs.

@ Luka:

"I'd rather get Mitsubishi EVO, 4 Cylindar 300HP. You guys are epic failure here..."

Riiiiight. With that blistering torque peak at 4000 rpm. Nevermind that the Evo also starts at $33k.

And you guys might be able to have your comments mean more if you didn't have basic spelling and grammatical errors. At least if you were well spoken, people on this board wouldn't think you were 13 years old and automatically discount your viewpoint.

Unlike you i speak three languages where English is my third language. New Camaro V8 is fine but V6, no thanks.