Is it just me, or do some of these headlines qualify as "Trolling"

Yeah no shit bubba, there is no quit in TR when it comes to certain models.

No, it's not worth $80k until they replace that horrible plastic dashboard / console from the base Mustang.

Nissan GT-R has quality over all! look at the paint of Mustang and you know what I mean.

Add aftermarket suspension, wheels, brakes and a supercharger to a GT and you'll have similar performance for $12-15k over a $25K Mustang GT...which puts you close to a base Corvette.

So is this worth $80k? Not unless you're a collector.

It still has a $20k domestic interior and a live rear axle from the F150 pickem'up!. Yee-ha! GIT-R-DONE! I'm a redneck who loves Bush!

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OMG, anyone else notice the hick antennae on the gray one?

80K and it still has a live axle... what a waste.

no, not enough torque. And for that kind of money, you expect an automatic.

$80k for a Mustang?!?!? What a joke. If I had $80k to blow on a car, a Mustang would not be on a list of considerations.

Hell, I wouldn't even pay more than $30k for a Mustang...

Wow, this car looks stupid. Asking 80K is just pathetic.

Is ANY Ford worth $80K??

A few weeks ago I ventures down to my local specialty Ford dealership (one that carries the full line of Shelbys, Saleen's). The car's are nice enough, but absolutely horrid interiors. The one sad thing that all of the 'stangs have in common is a dreadfully cheap interior. you can sure tell ford spent all of $4.57 on the plastics for the interior. Mustangs have never had all that impressive an interior, and this generation certainly doesn't disappoint.

Even my wife, who's a long time mustang fan, instantly commented on the cheap look of the interior.

As a way to get 500 plus ponies in the garage, I suppose the mustang fits the bill, but for $80K, I'd easily sacrifice a hundred horsepower for a car that's a little better appointed in every way. You'll never be able to beat detroit in the ponies/dollar game, but lets face it the vast majority of shelby/corvette owners never really use their machine's 500+ ponies, with the exception of the odd tear off a light to beat a ricer. Although a hair more, I'd rather spend my real world dollars on an M3 or S4. True, not nearly as powerful but except for the odd blip of fun, a much more driveable car. But I guess there's something to be said for 500+ ponies to the rear wheel.

A Mustang is designed to be a cheap car. The interior is fine, because it's supposed to be a cheap relatively fun to drive sporty car.

But is it worth 80k? Not a chance.

I'm not sure why someone would collect one either. It seems silly.

There are way too many 'limited edition' mustangs.

I just wish they'd make the gt500 for sticker price.

So it looks stupid. So the interior isn't up to European standards. So it costs 80 grand. When I see a Mustang, I *know* its a Mustang. It looks like one. I can tell one from 1/4 mile away. Do that with a Lexus or Toyota or Honda or VW or any of those other non American cars (except for Jaguar)? Not me, until I get up close enough to read the emblems. That's why I'm not all gaga over my new 350Z...sure, it runs like the wind and has quality all over it, but it has no style.

Coming to a trailer park near you....

Hey don't go ragging on what others think as style, i like the smooth finesse of bmw, lexus, and mercedes. Im not blind i know what cars look like even if they are far away. You won't be turning heads with a mustang unless there are enthusiasts around. You could easily trade in your 350z to get a mustang. I would take a 350z over a mustang any day of the week. I personally don't really like how the mustang brings a kind of retro look from its predecessors but if relic looking cars are what your into fine but don't rag on other peoples taste of style.

@ Vlad

There is a Ford product that's well worth above 80k but it's more of a super car and that car was the limited edition Ford GT.

I'm sorry but the 350Z doesn't stand out. Hell lets face it, most people that drive past one don't notice it, because like typical Nissan products now of days, they all share styling Q's from one another. No one can say that about the current Mustang, because it looks totally diff then its Ford counterparts.

I don't get why a car that cost this much still uses a live axle. For 30 grand less you can get the Rousch Edition Mustang that has a fully rear independent suspension. Hell i don't know why Ford just didn't put fully independent rear suspension on all their cureent Mustangs, if it would have added an extra 2 grand to the car then so be it.

I think the TR is just trying to bump up their search rankings by posting more articles on hot topics and getting us to talk about them.

@WVO:

I have never seen many cars that look like the last Supra, the last 2 Celica's or even the last MR2. The Mazda RX8 also has it's own styling, as does the new and old Miata. Maybe if you were talking sedans things would be different, but within sport car realm, the mustang has the same boring retro style as the Magnum/300C/Challenger and Camaro. Pulling up a design from a few decades ago and puffing it up doesn't mean that retro is good. When I see a Mustang from a 1/4 mile away, I can recognize it....and if I look 1/4 mile in the other direction, i'll probably see another one. It's not like we can appreciate their styling since they're everywhere.

350Z's looked cool and different like 8 years ago, but back then the only car that looked like it was maybe an Audi TT. Now everything from a Crossfire to an Eclipse just like them. But hey man, if you think the car is bland on styling, a new Mustang GT is a bit quicker and has the style you'll love (and argue for). And forget about quality, the warranty is there for a reason...

I have to disagree with those claiming the Mustang has style...and that Toyota, Nissan, and Lexus don't. As a car lover I can tell what many different cars from all over are from a distance, because I pay attention AND I look at magazines and sites like this. Just because a Mustang is very distinguishable doesn't mean it has better style. Vehicles like the Pinto or Pontiac Aztec were also very distinguishable...and horrible styling. I like the Mustang, as I do many performance cars, but I have seen firsthand seen (and heard) the substandard quality that would steer me away. My brother has a 2005 GT and it rattles like crazy. I hope the plastic used in the GT500 and KR is more "pliable" because the stiff plastic in the GT is cheap, as are the seats and everything else. He's also had to repeatedly bring it in for anti-theft system malfunctions.

Well it's the only production car I know of that can pull both front tires off the ground at launch. Is that worth $80k? No, but it is cool as hell.

Use that $80k for a down payment on a Ford GT or Saleen. That's what I would do

I have a 2007 Mustang GT, with the optional wrapped and stiched leather dash, armrests and console. If you want leather, check the box with option code: 68B-Premier Trim. And then get the Interior Upgrade package option code: 518G. That gives you aluminum trim everywhere. Most people don't because it costs more.

99% of the Mustangs you guys see are all plasticy, and I agree they look like fischer price made them, but if you get the leather and the aluminum trim it's nice enough.

This is about as stupid as Chrysler guaranteeing gas at $2.99/gal. I mean, PLEASE! With the economy slow (not a recession. GDP did grow .6% last quarter) I mean, very slow, who the hell is going to drop $80K on a frickin' Mustang? This might have sold 3 years ago when things were booming, and gas was cheaper, but no way. If I had $80K laying around to drop on a car, I'd buy an annuity instead. Forget the car!

@Noya

great, I didn't see the antenna until you pointed it out, you've just ruined the whole car for me...

You guys don't get it at all. It's not suppose to be an import or look anything like one. It's a Mustang and its built to pay homage to the original GT500KR.

This all sounds exactly like the magazine chat when the original KR came out back in '68... to expensive for a Mustang, to garish, to whatever. Look what they are worth now - this will be the same and nobody cares if you like it or not - Ford will sell every single KR it makes with no problem. They will be purchased by collectors and driven on Sundays or stored in garages, which really is a shame.

The reason it has a solid rear axle is because that is still the best set up for drag racing - and that is what the Mustang is all about.

As far as any Ford worth $80K... The Ford GT is worth a hell of a lot more than that and is (was) arguably the supercar bargin of the century.

maybe no one is looking at the race mustangs (fr500c) that are cleaning up against other cars with irs . and last i knew, you cant buy a new mustang from anyone with an independent rear-end. if i am wrong i want proof. plus not all live axle set-ups are the same. the 3 link with a panhard rod is great. in fact the set-up is so nearly perfect that saleen offers a watts link that makes even better. in fact the only downside to the watts link over the panhard rod is added weight. but the control they offer awesome. durability wise, it beats the crap out of any independent rear. you add a ton of hp and slicks onto a sticky track and with one good launch youll toast you irs. ask the supra owners who drag race. not the rolling starts, im talking from a stand still.

I agree... the Mustangs look way better with the upgraded interior, but I still wouldn't drop $80,000 for this car. It just ain't worth it. It is mostly a collector car, as was said. Put it in a garage, and forty years later, show it off. It'll be cool then, I'll bet.

But if you are looking for a fun and daily driver, this car is a big no-no. Seriously. Yikes.

Live Axle bashing?

Every single time the Mustang is mentioned, people start to complain that the Mustang has a live axle, as if there is something wrong with a live axle.

There is nothing wrong with live axles. And its simply not true that you can't have a car that performs well in a road race with a live axle. Both comments come from a culture that thinks that because European sedans have IRS suspensions, and these muscle cars don't that live axles are trash. And that is simply not true.

The sample overall suspension setup in the GT500 was used in the Ford Mustang FR500 series race cars. They did very well in the competition circuit, and they are all 3-link based rear suspensions with coil overs.
The old Boss Mustangs of the 70's dominated racing as well. I believe they were live axles too (not 100% sure). The point is that you can have a good performing suspension that is a live axle. While full IRS is desirable, you can still get really good results from a linked suspension. If you tune it right.

In addition, you also have to realize that the Mustangs are low RPM, high torque cars. The MOD motors in particular, have notoriously small bore sizes and achieve the majority of their displacement through stroke and not bore. This makes for some very torquey engines.

Putting down a lot of torque in a IRS is not easy to do. You end up with a lot of wheel hop. Just ask guys who own 2003 SVT Mustang Cobras. Many drag racers prefer a live axle over an IRS, because its much easier to put down power in a live axle over an IRS. Not to mention cheaper to boot. Mustangs have always had a strong following in drag racing and street performance, so a live axle works very well with this crowd because its design tailors to their needs.

A mustang is not 350Z, or a GTR, or a vette, or an M3, or any other vehicle that I've seen so many people compare it to. Its a pony car. And right now, there is only one manufacture of pony cars, and thats Ford. Until the Camero and Challenger make their ways onto dealers lots, they aren't' available for perchance and the stang has no competition in the pony car class, which is the true class of cars for Mustangs. Please try to compare a Stang to other vehicles in its class!

And stop bashing Rear Axles! And YES...the GT500 KR is too expensive! But don't bash something you haven't even seen, let alone drive. When Nissan first announced the return of the skyline, people bashed it because it was "too heavy". Turns out, heavy or not the thing can scoot! Until you've driven a GT500KR around a twisty track, please don't bash it. You might end up eating your words...

if you didnt know already all of these cars were sold when they were debute. it is a collectable car and thtas it just like the old kr. I know a guy who even optioned for the 750 hp pack to be added and he is spending over 100k for the car it that a investment I would take, no but the last krs are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and he said to me worse comes to worse Ill just enjoy driving it on the weekends. Cars that handle like gods generally arent that much fun cruising at slow speeds but cars that are loud and can make a impression to the little kid sitting in the back seat of his mothers sedan next to him usually are. Take old vipers for instance terrible cars i know ive driven one but when I was 10 that was the coolest thing in the world it was loud looked like a car you would draw as a little kid it didnt matter that it drove bad because this car is just there to excite the kid inside of you not to break any records.

Buying this over Nissan G-TR is stupid...actually retarded.

Actually no Luka_77, making that comment was actually stupid.

The person who buys a G-TR has no interest in a Mustang of any breed. The person who buys a a KR has no interest in any type of Nissan. They are two cars that appeal to two totaly differn't people and I'm sure both Nissan and Ford are perfectly okay with that... perhaps you should be as well :P

This is will appreciate in value in 10 years where the gtr will have lost most of its value because technology ridden cars do that. The old r34 isnt worth anywhere near as much as it was when it was new. The old kr is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars because its a collectable car. Seeing as youll never see either car in person aside from a car show. Ive personally seen a gtr because someone who lives down teh street from me bought one and paid no joke 180k to get it before it comes out later this year and he cant really drive it on the street because of a contract he had signed with nissan. Plus youll never see a dealer option on the nissan to up the power from 500 to 750 so there is that too.

THE GT-R'S HOLD THEIR VALUE EXTREMELY WELL COMPARED TO MOST CARS. Who cares how much the Kr is worth in 30-40 years? Shattering the glass and old technology of the KR, day and night, as you pass it on the track, is priceless.

THE GT-R'S HOLD THEIR VALUE EXTREMELY WELL COMPARED TO MOST CARS. Who cares how much the Kr is worth in 30-40 years? Shattering the glass and old technology of the KR, day and night, as you pass it on the track, is priceless.

unless the gtr hits the mustang I really doubt its going shatter its glass. Plus as you know we all drive on race tracks all the time and nissan didnt put a limiter on the gtr or anything to keep its speeds below 120 to keep it from anything but a nissan sanctioned track, as well as gtr hold their value so well in america where it wasnt sold. but countries were it did sell not so much. New selling price in england 60k pounds for a r32 now you can find them for 10k really good resale value only lost 85% of its value. Now I can get a miata and blow away your slow as molasis gtr because tracks are all count. If I was really feeling frisky Id get my ariel atom which is cheap gets better mpg and looks a whole hell of a lot cooler as well and blow you away with that using its outdated 4cyl engine and rwd.

Morgrade, you sir no little of what you speak. The live axle was good for its day, but it's far outdated compared to the other options out there. Rear independent suspension helps greatly around tight corners going fast. Do that to a mustang with a live axle and you either have to slow down or risk understeer. I can see you prob haven't driven too many twisted roads at high speeds with a live axle car in your life or you would think totally diff. There is a reason why the top sports car brands in the world done away with live axles years ago.

Yeah live axles do fine in a road race if the road doesn't consist of tight corners, but as soon as you run into a tight corner with a live axle going fast vs. someone else with a rear independent suspension, you are going to get passed up. The Rousch Edition Mustang will beat any Mustang even the GT500KR in a road race with tight corners, because of its rear independent suspension and I think Rousch knows a little bit about road racing then you do.

The roush edition has the same live axle that all the other mustangs have. And your partially right about the irs its a better setup then live axle. But a properly setup live axle will do just as good a job as a irs. A mustang with a live axle has a lap record at a track in california called thunderhill.

I'll have to agree with SteelCity. The 70's called, they want their live axles back. Live axle's are OK, but there are obviously better options out there. Then again, the mustang isn't exactly known as a great handling car in almost any circle. I like the mustang as much as the next guy, but they're one of the sloppiest handling cars I've ever driven. A good friend of mine is a mustang fanatic and even he submits to the fact that handling has never been the stang's strong suit, and still isn't.

But hey, it's a cheap, american sports car, and it's exactly that. Decent, cheap enough way to get 300 (or more) ponies into your garage. It's a car that fills a market segment, and by all means does it admirably. No matter who makes a better car, there will always be people who want cheap ponies, and don't care about much else.

I think if you asked most mustang owners (I'm talking the 95% that aren't muscle car nuts or enthusiasts), they wouldn't know or particularly care about the suspension setup on their car. It goes reasonably quick, it's fun to drive, not terribly expensive, has a V8 rumble, and that's that. Lots of people like that.

Unknown do your research the Current Rousch Edition Mustangs do not use a live axle, they use a fully independent rear suspension.

dude do your research. Ive seen the underside of a roush its a sra solid rear axle. I dont care what jemery douch said.
engine Aluminum V8
position Front Longitudinal
aspiration Roush Supercharger
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fuel feed Electronic, Returnless & Sequential Ignition
displacement 4605 cc / 281 cu in
bore 90.2 mm / 3.55 in
stroke 90.0 mm / 3.54 in
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power 324.4 kw / 435 bhp
specific output 94.46 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 273.93 bhp per tonne
torque 542.33 nm / 400 ft lbs
body / frame Unit Steel w/Aluminum Hood
driven wheels RWD
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front brakes Vented Discs w/Twin-Piston Calipers, ABS
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rear brakes Vented Discs w/Single-Piston Calipers, ABS
r brake size 300 mm / 11.8 in
steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
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front track 1582 mm / 62.3 in
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What Roucsh are you specing there, the last generation? because that sure isn't the current mustang Rousch 427R

Again do you research the current Rousch 427R comes with a full IRS

SteelCity,

You claim I know little of what I speak? Is that so? Have you ever heard of the Mustang FR500C race car? You can buy one turn-key from FoMoCo. It won a bunch of Grand Am races a few years ago, in its debut season. Oh, and its live axle...not IRS.

Ever heard of Factory Five Racing? They make Shelby AC Cobra clones, and they have a challenger series designated specifically for road racing. It features a 3-link suspension, not an IRS.

I am not bashing IRS, nor am I saying that a live axle is superior to IRS with regard to "road racing". But I am saying that a live axle setup can be turned into a competent road racer, even though its got a live axle.

Mustangs have live axles for two reasons. First, they are cheaper than IRS. 2, live axles are better for drag racing, and strait line performance. Given the Mustangs strong following in Drag racing, it makes sense to use a linked suspension over IRS.

You swear up and down that the Roush Mustang (current generation) is IRS. Can you show proof? There are quite a few Roush Mustangs in circulation. There is no single "current version". And none that I am aware of are IRS. No Mustang based on the S197 platform is IRS.

that is the current gen 427r as you can tell by the sohc 3 valves per cylinder. The only roush ever to come with irs is the roush cobra which wasnt advertised. That uses the irs ford developed for the sn95 which was teh previous gen cobra. You are wrong please stop trying to prove you are right.

OK LOL whatever the 427R comes with IRS as an option, because i have not only personally driven one but have seen the IRS on the 427R. That's proof right there so what are you going to tell me that was especially orderd now?

Also go watch Top Gear some time their Rousch as well came with IRS. Now i'm not saying it comes with IRS standard but you do have the option of getting IRS. If you are referring that you can't get IRS as an option your dead wrong, because it is apart of the option pacakge.

id have to say the kr is hot and yes the look is quite menotanous but i understand thats a mustang signature, its what makes a stang a stang. it has some style as well as do other performance cars. it would be nice although to see a little more variation in the generations. i love that it has so much power and still the stang look but like others have said for $80k id be asking for a little more quality. try to step up the interior quality just 2 or 3 steps and then maybe id be willing to spend that much on it.as is, with poor interior and still sporting the live axle, id pay between $60k-$68k tops. its got the smooth stang look and soo much under the hood but still lacks in a few areas

ok i dont even want to argue about this but your wrong. I know poeple who work at a roush dealer there is no irs option. Go to roushes website and spec the car irs isnt an option to even add. Ford didnt design the irs no one did because there is on available on that car. top gear gets tehre info wrong all the time. I can go to the roush dealer down the street from my house and ask and the guy will laugh at me because it isnt an option.
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That is the black jack the most expensive roush you can buy.
straight from roushes website. Please dont breed and make the world brain power go down.