Good to counter all the rice and kraut cars runing around...

...yeah, too bad this redneck bucket of bolts' time will be destroyed by the upcoming 4-door GT-R (rice) and possibly the Porsche Panamera (kraut).

Also kind of sad the ZR1 times will be eclipsed by the GT-R V-Spec.

I love that car, freaking sexy!!

I was checking the track times on Nurburgring and the RS4 got 7:28 so this car isn't the fastest sedan on Nurburgring.

Noya , can any infinity beat that time no so stop talking about cars this does not compete with , how the the m5 or e55 amg . When did nissan say they ware going to produce a four gt-r thats news to me or maybe since u suck so much import _ss u got inside info , Please wipe the import cum off ur mouth it starting to lokk bad, Oh and i have a rs4 and my car is the Sh_t thanks very much

Edit- That last post was from my friend he posted when i went to my car so please ignore that last post Noya and anybody else who reads it since i cant redit or erase it Sorry , but he did get one thing right our audi s Rs4 are the Sh-t

Oddly enough I would bet that is very close to the time for the Evo X GSR, the Evo IX did it in 8:11, and the GSR while slower off the line is better handling and is faster on the track. How much is this Caddy again? $55K? $60K? I would bet it costs a fair bit more than the 2007, what with the new engine and all.

Yeah, the Cadillac people couldnt read German, so they missed the RS4, E500, AMG600, M5 Runde Zeiten ('Run the sites', they thought).

But it anyway was the fastest Cadillac ever, that day, at least.

not to mention the lady that drove the Ford Transit Diesel Van in about 8 minutes.

you guys have no idea what your talking about... and the lady on top gear did it in 10 mins... not 8.

here are some times to put it into perspective.

8:13 BMW M5 E60
8:09 BMW M6 E63
8:05 BMW M3 E92
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005)
8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
7:59 Porsche 997 Carrera S
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale

you guys have no idea what your talking about... and the lady on top gear did it in 10 mins... not 8.

here are some times to put it into perspective.

8:13 BMW M5 E60
8:09 BMW M6 E63
8:05 BMW M3 E92
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005)
8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
7:59 Porsche 997 Carrera S
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale

you guys have no idea what your talking about... and the lady on top gear did it in 10 mins... not 8.

here are some times to put it into perspective.

8:13 BMW M5 E60
8:09 BMW M6 E63
8:05 BMW M3 E92
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005)
8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series
8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
7:59 Porsche 997 Carrera S
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale

Dane, if you've been on this website before, you would would know that when you click post, it really posts it! it does take about 30 seconds for a server to update. i see so many of these now days and it getting real annoying.

Yes, as rozz said, the bandwidth was purchased in Mexico, and the servers are imported from "someplace in the east." so one click will make it stick.

Good job Cadillac, on making the fastest sedan (that we can remember, at least) to round the 'ring. However, in just one year we will beging seeing new E-class AMG cars, and in a year we will see the first concepts for the new 5 series M cars, so all I can say is enjoy it while it lasts. You've had two years on the competition to make a better car, and they'll have a year on you at least (with a better history of competitive engineering as well).

Oh and as far as the ZR1 rounding the ring faster than the GT-R: it has an archaic rear setup, unless its been completely revised from the one in the standard 'vette (not just the new ride control, I mean). I highly doubt you'll be able to keep the power down with that. It's going to make great smoking burnouts this, but track times? I really don't expect it to be that much faster than the Z06. Power to weight ratios, as the GT-R proved when compared to the 997 Turbo, does not equal everything on the track (although its great to have).

This car could run the ring in 6 mins flat and people would still bash it because it doest say made in japan or made in germany on it. The gtr is only going to be a 2 door from the info ive been given. This car isnt competing against a gtr or evo or sti. Its up against what the germans have to offer and at least power and handling wise id say its giving them a good competion.

Dane, if you've been on this website before, you would would know that when you click post, it really posts it! it does take about 30 seconds for a server to update. i see so many of these now days and it getting real annoying.

Dane, if you've been on this website before, you would would know that when you click post, it really posts it! it does take about 30 seconds for a server to update. i see so many of these now days and it getting real annoying.

Dane, if you've been on this website before, you would would know that when you click post, it really posts it! it does take about 30 seconds for a server to update. i see so many of these now days and it getting real annoying.

Dane, if you've been on this website before, you would would know that when you click post, it really posts it! it does take about 30 seconds for a server to update. i see so many of these now days and it getting real annoying.

Dane, if you've been on this website before, you would would know that when you click post, it really posts it! it does take about 30 seconds for a server to update. i see so many of these now days and it getting real annoying.

@Dane Dane and Dane

Those timings where in the dark, with a blind driver and with some roadworks.
It was timed with an hourglass.

who cares if it's 10 seconds faster or slower than this or that, it's still impressive, especially for GM. Cadillac is not a name you normally hear mentioned with Ferraris and AMGs. GM has it right, between this and the ZR-1, this is how you build buzz for your brand and win people's confidence in your engineering.

After looking at the pictures, my question is WHY do American companies (I know Ford is as guilty of this as GM, though I'm not sure about Doge/Chrysler) make shift knobs the size of my kneecap? Ok, slight exaggeration, but not by much. The shifters in most American cars I've seen from the last several years are HUGE.

It's a waste of time to post facts here. Total waste of time.

For all you "hp/ltr this" and "DOHC that", dare I point out that this is an OHV powered vehicle that just beat the competition on its own soil.

Why are the Germans and the Japanese always so surprised when they get trounced by inferior Americans?

@Totenglocke:

To properly fit a man's hand, a shift knob should be roughly the size of one of his 'nads.

With that said, why are the shifters on the Asian and European cars so small?

(There's an obvious punchline here about what we have to look forward to if Africa starts designing automobiles, but I won't go there.)

@bubba551:

HP/Liter doesn't even matter since this engine has forced induction. We only care when an engine is breathing on it's own.

Plus, a DOHC head would probably allow this to make higher peak power while increasing power throughout the rev range, and maybe even lifting the redline a few hundred RPM. But again this is null since the engine is supercharged.

The car is nice though, and maybe a bit underappreciated by the 12 year olds posting here. It is a rather fast car for what it is, and the price isn't really all that bad, considering some of the next fastest sedans are AMG or M offerings.

That is, indeed, quite an impressive time. Just like someone said, impressive for GM. Perhaps American cars are beginning to compete!

I don't care who makes the car. Under 8:00 is good by any standard. But, hey, nobody drives in real traffic conditions like they do on a track. I wonder how it feels and if it's fun. You know... anyone can take a 1992 Honda Civic and modify it to run with the high dollar cars, but it just isn't the same.

I'm sure it'll be alright. I'd definitely look into an aftermarket shift knob. I mean, damn... is that necessary?

Caddy did a really good job on this one. I usually like imports but this CTS is something special.

@Jason:

I agree that the whole hp/ltr argument is meaningless (especially when so many of these 2.0l's weigh similar to 3.5l's by the time the turbo and intercooler are included.)

DOHC engines return greater volumetric efficiency than OHV engines, but the heads take up a lot of room under the hood in a "V" configuration (and they weigh more.) For a given size engine bay, you can squeeze a V8 OHV engine of significantly larger displacement than what you can do with DOHC, and without a weight penalty. Volumtric efficiency is nice, but mass airflow is what's really counts when making power.

I suspect that some of these 12 year old experts here are the children of folks who bought into the marketing hype of the 80's that FWD and McPheason struts were inherently superior technologies. (Remember them?)

@Bubba551:

Glad to see someone else who shares my views.
However, on the DOHC argument, I disagree. The benefits far outwiegh the costs. While the DOHC arrangment is a bit larger, the heads are shrinking with each passing generation. Although they may never be as compact as OHV heads, OHC technology will progress to a point where the size isn't too much of an argument anymore. Weight is always a sketchy issue also, as the material the engine is made from has the most impact. 20 years ago, almost all V8 blocks were made of Iron.

As for the amount of power an engine can make depending on the amount of air it consumes per cycle, I disagree with that the most. My examples are motorcycle engines, let's say the Suzuki GSXR1000 engine. It makes a total of 185hp(claimed) with a 4 valve DOHC arrangment with 1.0 liter. Although it makes this at around 9.5k rpm, it shows how optimizing engine capacity and volumetric efficiency can really make a difference in breathing and power.

Again, all this is pointless when talking about forced induction. I still don't understand why more manufacturers aren't turbocharging cars, especially now that everyone wants a powerful efficient car.

Impressive for Cadillac, and all the cars that are even worthy of posting lap numbers at Nurburgring. One great lap, however, does not prove which car is "best" in my opinion. Neither does a single 1/4 mile time. Whether you like NASCAR, Indy Cars, Formula 1, Le Mans, SCCA, etc., one lap does not win a race nor entitles it's drivers to much, except for polesitting. That being said, I wish I could afford even one of them...haha. Maybe I need to get a job in Europe, or get stationed in Japan again (I'm military). Despite the numbers that any country's car posts, I think I'm not the only one that there is more to a car than the engine, horsepower, or numbers. The ZR1 and Cadillac have great motors and performance, but the rest of the cars aren't much to brag about. GM and Ford haven't listened at all to buyers complaints on cheap interiors, maintenance, and rattling. For that if I could afford anything I'd go with the GT-R.

@Bubba:

Like so many here have mentioned, it doesn't matter if this is OHV or DOHC because of forced induction. With forced induction I can (and have) made FLAT engines make huge numbers. Its not hard at all. Just forge everything and begin to boost (add octane as compression increases). Hell, one of the most efficient engines I've ever seen was a OHV V6 out of an old Pontiac that a guy dual turbocharged and squeezed into a Honda Civic that was re-tooled for RWD. Put down both impressive track numbers and when he let off it got impressive MPGs for a 11 second car. Thats right, eleven seconds with light turbo charging (no turbo lag we could hear or see) and he ran 7 or 8 races on tank. Half mile drags.

But when we talk natural aspiration, despite the weight gain the power gains are almost universally worth it. Thats why the Germans were so popular: even though the engines weighed more they made weight savings in other parts of the car, giving you more hp/lb than with American cars.

The original BMW 2002 was a good example, it ran with most American muscle cars back in the sixties but had half the power, and less than half the weight. Car and Driver will tell you more.

And to Mike M: alas, another who understands! The GT-R has far less hp/lb than a 977 Turbo or Z06, but posts lap times far in excess.

Just noticed that shift nob.

Wonder what you all are talking about, not that big, just ask my girlfriend about big sticks, she's got stories...

Nice time, pity the car will fall apart after 3 1/2 laps.

Ah man they stole the pontiac G8 show wheels. Wondering why those never made it to production on the G8. Guess caddy wanted them a little more.

@ Greg

Too bad the idiots here at The Torque Report would only last for 3 1/2 posts.

@ everyone

I just want a show of hands who thinks the best way to change the perception of caddys engeneering quality by going fast arround a racetrack? i think that any car company can strap a F16 jet engine to a cobalt and run the ring in less than X.XX time. its a joke, GM should make a caddy that can do 250,000miles with out a breakdown and sell us on that because who cares how fast you can go if your car wont start?

my 1995 nissan pathfinder has 280,000 miles on it. its not as nice as this caddy but she fires up everytime and i will forever respect its reliability over any other measure.

i bet this is a nice car with mounds of power and a great chassis but untill a report on 10years of ownership (consumer reports) shows little money used to keep her running i would stay clear of this sexy looking and fast car.

Car magazines will say it may be faster than a BMW but it lacks the refinement, sophisication, balance, and connection between driver and machine.

@ Dennisil

Wow I can't imagine ever saying "forever respect its reliability over any other measure." over anything, nix that, I hope when I'm 80 to be able to say that about my penis.

And, Consumer Reports' statistics are flawed and biased, not their editorial, their statistics. They don't even hide it, read the explanation they put in their magazine, you'll figure out what I mean.

Unfortunately, I can't give you a better set of statistics because all statistics are skewed by the whole perception-is-reality problem (both ways) but theirs are less-objective and less-valid than most. We go back to the example of the 2000 JDPower & Associates test for mid-size pickups. First Place: Mazda Bseries, Last Place: Ford Ranger... Problem with this: Same truck, Same drivetrain, Same suspension, Same assembly line, Same Union workers, heck the base "Mazda" radio even said FORD right on it!

Quick quiz, what is the "Population" (statistically speaking) that Consumer Reports samples?

My gramps can't hear the turn signal indicator at 65 mph, how is Cadillac addressing this issue at 165 mph ?

Pretty damn impressive.

@Allen

The GT-R has more power than those cars. The Z06@505hp develops about 440 hp on a chassis dyno the GT-R 480. That would give the GTR at least 540HP at the crank if not more. Now perhaps the engineering samples are V-specs I don't know. What I do know is that 10-20% of parasitic loss is the norm and there is always loss.

@Allen

With a lighter smaller engine in the front, cars using ohv can make the same changes to make their cars even lighter.The draw backs of the dohc engine typically means you're not going to fit the same amount of displacement in the same amount of space vs a ohv engine. So arguing that it can do more hp at x rpm at the same displacement is moot. Arguing that it has a higher redline and makes horsepower higher up, only really describes the driving differences between a dohc and ohv. It doesn't mean its a better engine.

Until you throw in cost, neither engine type is particularly better than the other. As soon as you throw in cost, ohv wins.

@uh huh

I guise i just pulled my example of consumer reports out of a hat and didnt check into it it was mearly an example for the sake of using an example, i can see how your right but please dont get me wrong when have you known caddilacs to be the kinds of cars you buy and keep for longer than 10years? i will accept that in a free society there will always be the exception to the rule and im sure your uncles, sisters, neighbor had one last him well into the 6 figures in milage but on the whole they have a perception of having cheap interiors and sub par reliability and a really fast version may excite the boy racer in us all but to truly be on the cutting edge of designe and engeneering you must not only address 1/4mile times you need to be economical, eco-friendly, safe, look like a F22 raptor, and still make you feel like your 16 again when you plant your right foot.

@ Dennisil

I guess I shouldn't point out that Cadillac destroys Nissan on the JD Power reliability reports. Sure, it is only 3 years, but a vehicle that has problems in 3 certainly isn't going to get better in 10. (unless everything that can go wrong does so early and a top-notch mechanic fixes it the way it should have come off the assembly line.)

@Jason:

The GSXR1000 engine makes its 185hp @ 12,000 rpm measured at the crank. The mass air flow in this case is comparable to a 2.0l running at 6000rpm when the later has the intake, cams, and exhaust selected appropriately. 185hp (at the crank) is not out of line for such a 2.0 ltr. Total [not per cycle] mass airflow is the determining factor for power rather you arrive there by volumetric efficiency, higher rpms, forced induction, or just old fashion increased displacement.

@Allen:
Please note that my post was specific to "V" configurations. The ohv space savings (if any) on longitudinal engines is not enough to allow increased displacement. As for the BMW 2002, it handled great for its day, but with 130-140hp for 3000lbs, that mid-8 second 0-60mph is more like a focus than a musclecar.

unless i'm mistaken the old GTR's are actually classed as sedans (at least in Australia they are registered as such) in which case the R33 GTR beat this time and since i can't find the time for the R34.

7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33

i guess all the Americans can't stand their cars getting beaten.

i'm not opposed to the European cars that beat these times either. just sick of news items that are designed just for the sort of bagging they get in the comments.

if you must know though my grandma's wheelchair could beat that time. nothing like a capacitor for some NOS eh?

"i guess all the Americans can't stand their cars getting beaten."

LOL! That is so stupid man...im not even american but why this obsession with american cars and the obsession of seeing "american arrogance" everywhere?

And this Nurburgring-mania is starting to get retarded...8:30...7:30...WHO CARES?? Live isnt a Hollywood movie...but i find it funny when people only care for nurburgring times when it suits their needs. If its a car they dont like the times mean nothing if its a car they like the times suddently become important facts LOL! And to many people here "car they dont like" = american car.

Having said that i think this Caddy is gorgeous and an excellent alternative to BMW´s and Mercedez and all its rivals...

What's with all the whining and b1tching? That's a very fast time for ANY car, let alone a sedan, I don't care who makes it. Cadillac is one of the few US makes that is pretty good on quality too. Kudos to Cadillac. Give credit where credit is due, ffs. I like fast cars because they're fast, not because they're made in some particular country. Racists.

/end rant

"car they dont like" = american car

So that's why the american car industry is up the shitter..

@Bubba551I dont currently own a nissan but my sister has a 05 pathfinder, and its a gas hog but she hasent had a single issue with the car. i used to own a 95 pathfinder that i drove into the ground and it always ran like a champ. i didnt have any problems in over 150,000 miles i only replaced the fuel injectors once and it cost me 600$ for that,(it was totald by a speeding prand prix one day after work) i can also assure you the friends of mine that have had de vills and sts's had numerouse problems with them and non ever went to buy another caddy. so lets just forgoe the consumer reports and look at real world experiences that we know of and show me a caddy with over 150,000 miles on it and ill show you hundereds or more nissans with 300,000 miles or more.

I currently drive a 06' acura TL that i baught new it now has 40,000 miles and no problems to date. i dont understand why some peoploe have a fantasy to back the underdog. i dont make enough money to waste any on a car that i might have to fix once the warranty is over. i cant even risk it and thats why untill the general concensus on car quality stops favoring the asian's cars i wont own a domestic nor do i car about the companys and the people that work for them i was born in this country i went to school here and i work here, im not a factory worker im not an executive im a freakin 100% commission salesman, and im damn good at what i do, i dont bs people and i wouldent try to sell my clients on garbage. i certainly wouldent buy garbage myself so i know im going to take some heat from this post but its from the heart, i will not buy a caddy or ford or dodge or any car that has a history of poor quality and that even extends to mercedes benz so its not like im just a american hater i just cant waste my money on a car just so some ass in detroit or chicago can keep his job turning a wrench, i dont care go to school and get to work!

I'm not trying to be snide here because Dennisil actually did think twice (three times now) about the consumer reports comment.

The comparison is a bit difficult to make. Cadillacs are expensive and as such are typically purchased for light-duty use. With the exception of the last 10 years, Nissans have been cheap, typically purchase for drive-it-til-the-wheels-fall-off duty. I have owned a Cadillac that was excellent for the light duty to which I subjected it. I have driven a Nissan that was a fleet car for my work (while I owned the Cadillac, actually). The Cadillac had no problems, the Nissan had no problems. I drove them about the same number of miles (though I had the Cadillac at least 4 times longer than the Nissan. (I loved the CTS interior, btw Dennisil and the Nissan was a "last-generation" Altima which was plasticky but acceptable given it was 60% the sticker price of the CTS).

Anecdotal evidence is doesn't prove anything. I had a good friend who used to say that she had "no problems" with her Japanese-sourced GEO. But then she'd call me and ask her advice on all of the problems she had with her car. Then I'd still hear her talking about how her car was problem-free.

Statistics that we often quote around here (Consumer Reports, J.D. Power) aren't much better because they're design and reporting are flawed. The Hummer H2 was one of the lowest rated cars in J.D.Power the first year it