Nice car. This car should be a target for domestic manufacturer's to emulate.

Front is damn ugly. 30K for a 4cyl??? I'll just get an accord instead.

I agree, this thing looks pretty good and if it drive anything like my friend's '04 then this is gonna be a pretty kickass car. I really wish domestic companies would offer something like this.

the side lines are WAY TO DIAGONALS.... while the trend is to be flat like bmw... the new fords.. more europeen...

its ugly shit!

Bland imo.

Not bad for the price.

But will probably cost 25-30% more outside of the US market.

I'd rather buy a Lexus IS250. But hey, at least it's not American.

Ditto the Lexus IS250 comment, it invoices at $26,887 = probably $27,300 out the door.

Not to mention the Lexus IS 250/350 is RWD and has the best styling in the entry-lux under $40k price range. The IS interior is also more attractive.

I'd rather save and wait for the HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE, "310hp", "timing chain" (no more timing belts), "rear wheel drive", light weight, $23K - $29K estimated msrp. What else could you ask more for that price???????????????????????????????????????

looks like a 2004 Euro-Accord with chrome braces grafted on it.

The IS is too small to compete with the TSX. It's clear this car is aimed at people considering an ES350 instead. Given that the rear end looks strikingly similar to the ES, I think that Acura will be attempting to price its way into ES territory.

It appears that the fully loaded TSX is priced equivalently to the base ES. While the price of a fully loaded ES is probably closer to 36k, the real problem Acura has is stealing buyers from the new V6 Accords. Those whose price range falls out of that of the ES will more likely turn to the equally powerful Accord which looks more unique anyways.

I think keeping the 200hp engine is going to cost Acura a lot of sales given that even the cheapest sedans these days have 200hp+.(i.e Chevy Malibu/Saturn Aura).

The IS is too small to compete with the TSX. It's clear this car is aimed at people considering an ES350 instead. Given that the rear end looks strikingly similar to the ES, I think that Acura will be attempting to price its way into ES territory.

It appears that the fully loaded TSX is priced equivalently to the base ES. While the price of a fully loaded ES is probably closer to 36k, the real problem Acura has is stealing buyers from the new V6 Accords. Those whose price range falls out of that of the ES will more likely turn to the equally powerful Accord which looks more unique anyways.

I think keeping the 200hp engine is going to cost Acura a lot of sales given that even the cheapest sedans these days have 200hp+.(i.e Chevy Malibu/Saturn Aura).

mistah:
I'd rather save and wait for the HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE, "310hp", "timing chain" (no more timing belts), "rear wheel drive", light weight, $23K - $29K estimated msrp. What else could you ask more for that price???????????????????????????????????????
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How about a car that won't have your neighbors and co-workers snickering behind your back?

Ugly front, bland most of the rest of the way around, and underpowered. I think you can find better choices for your money out there. Then again Acura lost my interest when they did away with the RSX which was the only thing they made that I would have thought about owning.

@ Obama -- do you really believe other people care what you drive? Or is it that you think other people have the same priorities as you? does it really matter to you what others drive? You just like to compare I suppose?

Another view: 30K+ for a sedan is indulging yourself. A new car is a short term anti-depressant, an ego stroker, but sometimes that's what's needed I suppose. Anyway no one else cares what you are driving, that's my main point. We all have our own lives going on over here. Sometimes only certain characteristics are needed for people to satisfy their need to indulge, and often name brand does not really come into consideration. For example, right now in my life I'd rather grow my wealth rather than blow it all on a car loan. Especially right before a time of unpredictable world economics!

See! people aren't thinking the same as you! accept it!

Obama just wants change, don't be mean to him. : o P

The TL is competition for the es350, not the TSX.

IS250 really is the target, and I'd get the IS as well.

The Genesis coupe is a coupe, this is a sedan. They are not competitors.

29-32k is a lot for a 4 cylinder sedan. A whole lot.

Yeah, $32K is a lot for a 4-cyl...but 201 hp?! Amazing...

A few years ago, V8s weren't getting that king of output.

Japanese always make beautiful cars. It is worth to them at least the title of numero 1. On the other hand, us, it is in no way the case.

@mistah; I'd rather ...wait for the HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE...What else could you ask more for that price?

How about two more doors?

I personally would rather pay a little extra to have a step up in quality/lux for an Acura over the standard Honda products. Plus, the new Accord has grown enormous - it looks as large as the RL now. The TSX looks to be a smaller alternative without having to go to a Honda Civic.

The "outgoing" TSX looks great, is the perfect size (not too big/not too small), gets decent gas mileage, can haul two kids, and is a perfect DD commuter. This new one is quite a bit larger, still uses premium fuel, and doesn't look as good as the outgoing model. They say it's better all around...perhaps it is. I'd have to drive one.

Fugly. Gotta love those semi-circle fenders over the wheels... NOT!!! Looks like they really didnt like the design of the grille so decided to patch it with a huge piece of chrome and a large emblem.

And they say imports have better designs than US cars. Just another egg shaped rounded off import with no styling. Bleh!

Wow 30k for a 4 banger and 200HP. I might just die laughing on my way to picking up a G8 at 30k with a 362 V8 and 30MPG.

@Sandman: I might just die laughing on my way to picking up a G8 at 30k with a 362 V8 and 30MPG.

Good luck with that. You might die when you realize that getting 30mpg on a 362HP G8 is next to impossible no matter how many cylinders they deactivate. Check out what people are "actually" getting with that car and you'll see it's not even close to 30mpg.

I have an 06 tsx and find it a great car for the value. Two friends of mine who I work with and park between everyday have a IS250 awd and a 325xi. Cost of the cars is a big difference as each of the others cost roughly $8,000 or 25% more. Granted they are all-wheel-drive which is about a $2000 option on both. Overall I like the interior of the Lex best, then the tsx and finally the bimmer. The ride in all is very similiar. As for people laughing about 30k for a 4 banger. the bmw and lex each put out equivalent hp and only roughly 10 ft/lb more torque each. Not much for the added weight of the 6 cyl they each have. Overall I orignailly like the IS but for the price couldn't justify it. Those comparing this to the G8 and Genisis. The G8 interior is no way near the quality interor of any of these cars and the ride isn't as sporty. Granted a great car I like what pontiac/gmc is doing. As for the Genisis. That car is still out in the future and looks like a great car but will target mostly different buyers by the number of doors alone.

Umm the g8 isnt rated to get 30 mpg so that might be a bit of a stretch. My sis just got a 08 tsx its a nice car although a bit cramped. The motor isnt the torquest in the world but that didnt matter much to her. With that being said id prob get the new altima over this car as I could do without the luxery for something that can fit 4 people way better

its too small for my fat ass but its nice looking you can slap a compthech supercharger on it and have 240+hp for 4K + installation costs, its a bolt on kit that can be installed with the included directions. i dont see why anyone cares how fast this thing will go when 65% of buyers will be girls?

Comparing cylinder counts you have to compare torque curves. You're going to have to rev the acura a lot more than the BMW or Lexus to see those numbers. Also, that is250 must have been heavily optioned to cost so much...

@ WS, name any 8 cylinder engine produced in the last 20 years that got less than 200 hp.

The IS did have a few options I think I was off a little but it did still cost about 4000 more. As for the torques. I'm not an expert but I believe it has to do more with the size of the engine and its stroke length. The bimmer does have much lower peak torque at around but the IS and TSX are very close. Also I was off on the torque numbers its a difference of 20ft/lbs which is larger 12% difference.

IS 2.3 Liter, 205hp @ 6400, 185ft/lbs @ 4800
TSX 2.4 Liter 205hp @ 7000, 164ft/lbs @ 4500
325 2.5 Liter 215hp @ 6250, 185ft/lbs @ 2750

Come on Acura, what happened to being a "performance and luxury" alternative to Honda? This thing wouldn't even be able to out run the Civic SI let alone a cheaper (and better looking IMO) Accord V6. Perhaps Acura is trying to kill the TSX off???

Gary:

Have you priced out an Accord V6 with leather...it costs more than a TSX. and as for a Civic SI...completely different class but there is only a $7000 difference. Not to mention the non-leather, power seats, etc... Two totally different markets.

When is everyone going to realize that either you get power, or luxury. You can't get both without the cost going up. Its the balance of two and the propotions of each which cause there to be so many different car companies and models.

Specs or the TSX are similiar to BMW, Lexus, Audi, MB (they are higher priced more TL). Not too many people complain about the 3 series cars and that a civic si could beat or come close to a 328 for thousands less.

The TXS is re-skinned and re-badged civic, they are the same class.

"The IS is too small to compete with the TSX. It's clear this car is aimed at people considering an ES350 instead. Given that the rear end looks strikingly similar to the ES, I think that Acura will be attempting to price its way into ES territory.

It appears that the fully loaded TSX is priced equivalently to the base ES. While the price of a fully loaded ES is probably closer to 36k, the real problem Acura has is stealing buyers from the new V6 Accords."

I'm talking about the NEW IS 250, not the old IS 300.

The ES350 is clearly aimed at the TL, not the TSX. A fully loaded ES350 is actually about $42k...virtually the same price as the IS 350.

Google is not that hard to use.

"Two friends of mine who I work with and park between everyday have a IS250 awd and a 325xi. Cost of the cars is a big difference as each of the others cost roughly $8,000 or 25% more. Granted they are all-wheel-drive which is about a $2000 option on both. Overall I like the interior of the Lex best, then the tsx and finally the bimmer. The ride in all is very similiar. As for people laughing about 30k for a 4 banger. the bmw and lex each put out equivalent hp and only roughly 10 ft/lb more torque each."

Umm, look at yahoo.autos, as I stated above, the base RWD IS250 can be had for about $28,300 if you know how to shop for a car. Your friends are probably douches and paid MSRP. Another thing, not only are the BMW and Lex more powerful, they're RWD, which makes a huge difference in handling and steering feel.

@RX7 Guy:

Incorrect. The CSX is a Canadian Acura that is based on the Civic. The TSX in it's current and unrelased form aren't based on the Civic platform they are built on a completely different chassis.

"As for people laughing about 30k for a 4 banger. the bmw and lex each put out equivalent hp and only roughly 10 ft/lb*** more torque each. Not much for the added weight of the 6 cyl they each have."

*** I actually think you were closer to right here the first time. The numbers I'm seeing for the new 2009 model put peak torque at 172, the older one is 165? They raised compression and did some other tinkering/tuning. Regardless:

As has been said before, compare the torque and HP curves. This 2.4L has to scream to ~7000 RPM before it makes that HP figure. That would be awesome if it had low-end torque to back it up. It does not. It's impressive for a naturally aspirated 2.4L 4-banger, no doubt in my mind. But it is not as acceptable to me for a $30K sedan.

Also, they're burning premium gas to make these numbers, not that its direct "entry-lux" competition isn't doing the same. Just something else to keep in mind when you're impressed with the peak HP. I'd like to see a dyno run of one of these on 87 octane. It *should* retard the timing enough to prevent major preignition, but it won't make quite as much power.

"its too small for my fat ass but its nice looking you can slap a compthech supercharger on it and have 240+hp for 4K + installation costs, its a bolt on kit that can be installed with the included directions."

First of all, brilliant move. You've voided the warranty on a perfectly good new $30K entry level luxury car and treated it like a dirty used ricer. You've also increased the price even more - if you wanted speed you could have gotten a V6 Acura or other faster car.
Second, this 2.4L NA engine is well tuned for... NA. The compression has been further increased over previous versions. Supercharging without installing lower compression pistons and/or other modifications to reduce knock would not yield as good results as you might like. Not to mention the inevitable increased wear.

Then you say "i dont see why anyone cares how fast this thing will go when 65% of buyers will be girls". Well then why did you bring up the extremely expensive bolt on supercharger up? I'll agree with you on one thing. I think it's not a bad looking car, aside from that chrome wing-piece over the top of the grille.

Kenny:
"@ Obama -- do you really believe other people care what you drive? Or is it that you think other people have the same priorities as you? does it really matter to you what others drive? You just like to compare I suppose?

See! people aren't thinking the same as you! accept it!"

It's because I'm half Black isn't it?

I used to own a 2005 TSX. My friend and I walked without a scratch, out of a crash in which it and the other car was totaled. The 2007 Camry driver was not so lucky and had to be airlifted.

I got a fabulous insurance reimbursement from Safeco. This car depreciates far less than any other car I know of.

Unfortunately I can no longer afford to pay for premium gas. I bought a 2007 Elentra with the money I got from the insurance. As for the Elentra, well it feels good not to have to make monthly payments anymore.

The TSX is a good sedan, but also extremely bland. It's what the Taurus should be. Considering the category, I would much rather have a Lexus IS250. It has better handling, power curve, quality, more aggressive looks and better resale value. And it's in the same price range.

For under $30K I'm trying to decide between the IS250 (good mileage, upscale, great quality) and a 2.0T Genesis coupe (value, good quality, easily moddable RWD turbo goodness).

@Kell:

If you have to think about it, I'd suggest you buy the Genesis. I really don't want dumb people driving around in a Lexus.

Inoffensive, plain, boring, just another sedan with a small motor and large sticker. **Yawn**