man thats an ugly car who desinedd the interior or are dodge sourcing there interior design to tata now

OMG...american car??? Here comes the "Pavlov Dog" reflex:

- HP/Displacement
-Interiors
-Gaz Guzzling
-Ugly
-Anything else you can think of...

US can't make real cars. This is a copy of when they last made a good car, but that was like 40 years ago. Doesn't work today. They have a technology level corresponding to a 50 year old German car.

Luckily there are some yahoos still buing this.

If I am restoring an original Challenger, can I get one of these new ones for spare parts? ;-)

I'm from europe and I like it and I hate gasguzzlers..

The 3.5L version is almost acceptable and if it was converted to use gas at least (which is like a 2k$ aftermarket mod in EU)...

Power is OK, I never get why Americans always bitch about anything less than a V8, 5L etc... when you drive with pedestrian speeds anyway...

I nearly died of boredome driving across some US states since everything is so f.... slow but still everyone had like 10L v12 engines like somehow every day everyone dreams that maybe from tomorrow on, speed limists will disappear, gas will be free, and pollution a thing of the past :)

Interios is sucks but its sopposed to replace a retro original which also sucked so it has an excuse at least.

But the 4 speed auto? WTF! Why not 2 speeds... Or just 1?
Its the 21st century and 5, 6 or 7 speeds are still too much for some to master?

But then again if 55MPH is all you can ever really drive, you don't need more than that.

The bottom line is that for that price this is far from being US trash. You do make a lot of that but this isn't part of it. This might actually be OK. It's not supposed to be efficient and at that price it doesn't pretend its much better than it is so its OK.

I'm from europe and I like it and I hate gasguzzlers..

The 3.5L version is almost acceptable and if it was converted to use gas at least (which is like a 2k$ aftermarket mod in EU)...

Power is OK, I never get why Americans always bitch about anything less than a V8, 5L etc... when you drive with pedestrian speeds anyway...

I nearly died of boredome driving across some US states since everything is so f.... slow but still everyone had like 10L v12 engines like somehow every day everyone dreams that maybe from tomorrow on, speed limists will disappear, gas will be free, and pollution a thing of the past :)

Interior sucks but its sopposed to replace a retro original which also sucked so it has an excuse at least.

But the 4 speed auto? WTF! Why not 2 speeds... Or just 1?
Its the 21st century and 5, 6 or 7 speeds are still too much for some to master?

But then again if 55MPH is all you can ever really drive, you don't need more than that.

The bottom line is that for that price this is far from being US trash. You do make a lot of that but this isn't part of it. This might actually be OK. It's not supposed to be efficient and at that price it doesn't pretend its much better than it is so its OK.

i like the Tupperware interior

Never anyone but dimwitted trolls posting comments on this site. Yes, that includes you.

Like other Dodge products, the tail light plastic looks cheap and brittle – as though sourced from recycled bicycle reflectors.

The two types of people who will buy this are those who can’t afford its gas, and the has-beens who fantasize over the original.

There you go Dodge...a decent looking car with a decent price tag.

meh, looks old already!!

0-60 in less than six seconds. then it must stop for gas.

here's an idea: shed 2,500 lbs from it, and you won't need a 1,000 liter engine for exilerating performance.

How much is the R/T? Can I get unlimited mileage powertrain warranty on the R/T?

I love the comments. America sucks and so do their cars blah blah blah...

This car is based on late 90's Mercedes Benz technology, so it's a decade old, not 50 years.

Whats up with the ram air hood on every model? It's going to be fake anyways.

I rented a charger with that 3.5L engine and it was complete garbage, not even adequate. Literally 14-17 seconds to 60. I timed it, several times.

I kind of wish the hadn't even produced the 6cylinder version. Negligible improvement in gas mileage, and it's the ultimate poseur car. I suppose secretarys need something to commute in...

"The Dodge Challenger R/T also offers a precision-shift six-speed manual transmission - the first for a new-generation HEMI-powered car - that produces 375 horsepower (280 kW) and 404 lb.-ft. of torque (548 Nm) when running on premium fuel. "

Premium fuel? Are they insane? Big american V8's should never require premium fuel.

I do agree with everyone else on the American bashing....

But, I can see why it happens. Most Europeans view a fun car as something quick agilie and possibly even nice looking and comfortable, say something BMW-esque. I would say the Japanese go a different route. You would be talking more power, different handling, less nicities, more funcationality.

And then there's America. The reason we love over powered, large engine, heavy cars?....that's what we grew up with. Okay maybe not my generation, but certainly my parents. My dad used to own a 65 Mustang and would go on and on about the fun he had in it. Or the GTO after that. Somethings like drag racing and Nascar don't really translate that well to people from other countries. (Nascar barely translates out of the south.) Everyone is right, it's not like we have a no speed limit zone. 600hp is doing you squat in terms of going fast. And most of our cars don't handle for crap and are a bit on the bloated side.

But with all that said, take a trip over to the You Tube and look for car videos (not that crap that someone takes on their cell phone out of the car window...). Europe, lots of track days, fun in the snow, ect... Japan, drifting and track driving. USA, burnouts, drag racing, and acting stupid. Sure you can find any one of the other in a different country, but it's a stereotype for a reason. If I had the R/T you don't think I'd be laying some rubber?

It's all about the market, and here unfortunately it fits with alot of what people want. (In reality most of the sales, just like the Mustang, are going to be the V6).

The Challenger should sell well at this lower price point. Still hate the dash though. Looks like it belongs on a '76 Dodge Coronet.

Will 250 horsepower be enough to move that tub?

"Cheap Car Lover:
"The Dodge Challenger R/T also offers a precision-shift six-speed manual transmission - the first for a new-generation HEMI-powered car - that produces 375 horsepower (280 kW) and 404 lb.-ft. of torque (548 Nm) when running on premium fuel. "

Premium fuel? Are they insane? Big american V8's should never require premium fuel."

- Fork, Spoon, Big American People should never eat like premium people!!!....

You obviously do not understand the differences between fuel mixtures....

I like the looks. But I've given this one the thumbs up in the looks department from the beginning.

It's numbers seem ok in the power department. Some people are never pleased, but this seems to be in the ballpark. Close enough that ths and Mustangs will hae to clarify issues on the drag strip and stop lights.

And with handling, who knows? I certainly expect the brakes to be worlds better than models from the 60's and 70's. I'd expect handling to be better too. But, will it be good enough to compare with the likes of, well, any thing outside the USA?

It'll be interesting to see this shake out when they arrive in the dealerships.

The problem is that it's only "low $20's!" for the V6 poser-mobile. I know that the big three make the money on the V6 poser-mobiles because they sell more, but those customers are in it for the image because then people THINK they have an SRT-8 / Trans Am / Z-28 / Cobra. Now if they had something like a 5 liter V8 for low to mid $20's and then higher up a 6 liter or more V8, we'd be talking.

@ Andrew

I don't understand your point. Explain it to me without a metaphor.

Here's my understanding.

Higher octane (If the car is tuned for it) leads to less knocking which leads to higher compression which leads to more power. In a crammed down short version of it...

I'd just prefer a couple less h/p and no premuim. Which, with today's knock sensors retarding the timing, is probably what will happen anyways.

Normally I'd say that a v6 with 250+ HP is more than enough power, but in this car it probably needs to be around 300. And yes the interior is fucking atrocious.

Why can't the SRT8s come in blue, and why does it still have a foot brake.

Ha ha, I didn't notice the lack of a handbrake before. Ok, I definitely cannot buy one of these. No wonder they offer hill control as an OPTION. It's impossible to start a stick shift car on a hill without rolling back unless you have a handbrake.

Dodge

I WANT HANDBRAKE I WANT HANDBRAKE I WANT HANDBRAKE I WANT HANDBRAKE I WANT HANDBRAKE I WANT HANDBRAKE I WANT HANDBRAKE!!!!!

AND MAKE IT LIGHTER, AND FASTER, AND HANDLE BETTER, AND LESS OF A GAS GUZZLER WITHOUT MAKING IT MORE EXSPENSIVE!

I'm amazed at the American car trolls plaguing this site. I wonder if any of the American car bashers have drive many of the 2003 and up models of cars? I have, and I can say there are huge improvements putting them on par with Asians and Europeans. Hate only makes you ugly. Knock it off, kids.

"I rented a charger with that 3.5L engine and it was complete garbage, not even adequate. Literally 14-17 seconds to 60. I timed it, several times."

Sounds like your rental was in need of serious attention. Maybe a transmission. I know I don't mind dogging a rental, so who knows how hard people were on it. Don't get me wrong, Chrysler V6s have never been great, but geez... I think my buddy's old high school car (a 2.0 Sunbird) could have smoked that thing. In 17 seconds it should have been >80 MPH and past the 1/4 mile mark.

Anyway, although this 250HP iteration of their 3.5L sounds better than a lot of their older V6s, it will still get spanked by V6 Camaros and might even have trouble with V6 mustangs.

My understanding is that Chrysler claims an 8.5 second 0~60 time with the auto slush box and 3.5L V6 in 300, so I would expect something similar to that performance wise for the V6 Challenger.

The real question is where will the R/T start in price, if they can keep it to around 30K it might be good, if they can squeak it under 30K they can take the title of "most powerful car under 30K" away from the G8, which people seem to be fawning over lately.

dam!!!! that interior is ugly it's making me throw up.

"It's impossible to start a stick shift car on a hill without rolling back unless you have a handbrake."

No it's not, you just have to be really good. I've only used the handbrake once while starting on a hill and that's because I was parallel parked with some jerk who pulled up literally an inch away from my bumper.

But yea, that's pretty dumb that they want to offer a manual with a foot pedal parking brake.

LOL @ Dan. You're right....that's a big b*tch! Why are cars so friggin large these days? I really don't get it.

"It's all about the market, and here unfortunately it fits with alot of what people want."

Brian, cars like that haven't sold well here forever. Japan and Germany still outsell the Americans, Japan in the standard price range and the Germans in luxury.

Sure, maybe they will sell a lot of V6's, but in comparison, just as many if not way more small japanese 4 cylinder cars will be sold. And those 6 cylinders will be scrapped by the owners as soon as possible to upgrade to another car. And knowing those people, it'd probably be a SUV they won't use one tenth of the capabilities on.

And at 4200lbs, I doubt the V6 will move this thing... I really do. What the hell, my old Tahoe weighed in at only 4100lbs (a early nineties one). The Tahoe did move with only 200hp, but slowly, and mainly do to having no top end.

But I agree with many here: its cheap, shitty, American shit. I'd rather have a 128i: its way lighter and has only a little less power. Overrall the 128i is going to be faster. And I won't be forced to choose between being lonely or breeding with my family....

Well, hopefully there will be making a SRT8 ACR edition.

First ,if you don't like it-don't buy buy it! The car you drive and or like might be and or look like crap to someone else.
Premium fuel is not required for the Hemi and is actually stated not to be used ( I have 2-one in a pick up and the other in a 300C ). The R/T should run well under 6 seconds as my 300C runs a 5.82 all day long.
As far as a gas guzzler on pure highway when the MDS kicks in I can and have gotten 30 mpg at 65 mph. I drive 33 miles to work mostly on the highway with one stretch of 9 miles that takes me about 30 minutes due to heavy volume.I average25.6 mpg so there goes the horrible mileage idea. My truck is closing in on 80,000 and have not had one problem. It's used to tow a 23' boat and race trailer up and down the east coast.My choices may not be for everyone,but they serve me very well.
If you don't like it no problem to state that-but calling it junk and cheap is very childish. Enjoy your ride

I don't hate it. I just wish it had a handbrake and was put on a diet, thats all.

In the past 3 weeks, I've driven a Ford Fusion, a Chevy Cobalt, and a Pontiac G6 GT on business travel. Based upon my experiences with these vehicles, I can honestly say that America is still making crap cars. What a relief it was to return home and get back behind the wheel of my foreign made car.

If it doesn't have the interior of an Audi...
The weight of an Elise.....
Or the handling of an M-Series BMW...

It must be crap.

Get off your high-horses kiddies.

I've got my '09 R/T ordered. My Magnum R/T has done me well and I have no regrets.

As for bad gas mileage, 30mpg is my average over a week - all it takes is a planned route and going the speed limit. Pretty tough!

I love the stuff that some people come up with when camparing cars.

My MG gets better gas mileage than your Tahoe, its faster, and it handles better. Thus Eurpean cars are better than american cars. Uhhhhh, Ok. Compare apples to apples guys. The Tahoe can hold 7 passengers and tow 10 MGs cross country, the MG can hold 2 passengers and can tow a sandwich, maybe.

The Challenger RT will start at less than 30K. A comparably priced Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc will have a four banger putting out 180hp (at best) and will be much smaller. Try putting a family of five in that. A comparably priced Toyota or Honda will be more competitive, except that they are not rear wheel drive, they won't have as much power, and they don't look nearly as good.

The new 5.7L Hemi is a world class engine. It skipped over the hot trend in European and Asian cars of VVT and instead has VCT (Variable Cam Timeing for you noobs). That is state of the art stuff. It translates into 375HP and 404lb/ft and will get good gas mileage. I would guess (based on the Charger Hemi which does not have the new tech and the car is heavier) that the Challenger RT will get 22/30 EPA estimate. That mean 30+ mpg on the highway real-world. By the way the HP/weight ratio is 1:10.33 on this car.

The Challenger SE will have the V6 (250hp) and will come in much lighter at 3,700 lbs. The HP/weight ratio is 1:11.66 on this model.

The 2008 Challenger SRT8 puts out 425HP and 420lb/ft. This engine has does not have the VCT yet. Wait until 2009 model year specs come out. With VCT the 6.1L will get better mpg and will be pushing at least 450HP and 450lb/ft. The 2008 HP/weight ratio is 1:9.66 and in 2009 it will be more like 1:9.

Show me any line of european or asian cars that have those HP/weight ratios and a price range of $22,000 - $40,000.

My father-in-law had a 2002 Audi A6 with a V8. I have to say it was a nice car. The interior was outstanding, the 350HP really moved it (although the car was well over 4200lbs), and it looked sharp. It got 18/22 mpg. It also cost north of $60,000, but it was very nice.

That is until every interior electrical component failed after 18 months and he decided to trade it in for a Ford Lightning.

Let me tell you, the Lightning kicked the #@%# out of the Audi in exterior looks, power (450HP), and cargo capacity (: The interior was not as nice though. Of course it only cost $30,000.

He now has a 2008 Ford Super Duty with the new Ford Diesel. Let me tell you, that thing can pull a house, get 20+ mpg, and the interior is way better than even the Audi. And it stickers for $55,000. That is $5,000 less than the Audi (more if you account for inflation) and it is a much better vehicle. The acceleration is not that far off either (surprisingly, since this thing weighs in at 6,000lbs. Of course it also has over 400HP and close to 500lb/ft.)

This is whats funny about our foreign friends...I have been around the world many times, Germany for one and I cant tell how many times I have been there. AutoBaun and all! Yeah there is no speed limit..until you come into a town or whats up with the traffic signs with tanks on them? Anyway, I find it funny that the rich want our "big" gas guzzling vehicles as a statement of power. Ask the Aussies if they have a problem with the way we do things...can you say Holden using a Ford engine. What about the G8? Just wanted to vent a little.

This is whats funny about our foreign friends...I have been around the world many times, Germany for one and I cant tell how many times I have been there. AutoBaun and all! Yeah there is no speed limit..until you come into a town or whats up with the traffic signs with tanks on them? Anyway, I find it funny that the rich want our "big" gas guzzling vehicles as a statement of power. Ask the Aussies if they have a problem with the way we do things...can you say Holden using a Ford engine. What about the G8? Just wanted to vent a little.

Wow! Tree Huggers and Euro/Jap lovers. Do you people really drive your MGs and old Challengers everyday in the rain and snow? If you talk about Hondas and Toyotas, just blend in and go with the flow. These cars are about making a statement. If you want 11s, buy a Vette or Viper. If you want to take the family out for a Firday night cruise, take the Challenger or your eco friendly import and wait for people to come up and talk to you about how cool your little 4 door is. LOL! Euro guys like to drive around in their convertibles with the windows up and top down. Affraid of not messing up their 6 figure income hair dew.
Will kids really come up and say "Wow that Euro/Jap import is cool! It gets 35 mpg!" or "Wow! Look at that Dodge Challenger! That thing is mean!" You can't make everyone happy, but one thing is for sure, it makes the vast majority happy to have the chance to live the muscle car era again or a chance to live a time they missed. Keep driving your fuel sipper and classic. Make mine Orange and 60 mos financing with warranty.