It'll be a hot topic for a few months, then sales will begin to drop. It will become another "slow-selling" niche product that nobody will care about. In four to five years it will cease production due to poor sales. It will handle like.........garbage but it will be fast in a straight line....

Sigh.....how redundant is that ?

I LOVE how they scattered plastic and carbon fiber on a retro car from the 60s. Both didn't exist in the 60s...

If Chrysler plays its cards right, they'll sell these to the initial adopters for a high price, then play the consumer electronics game and drop prices toward the mainstream. That would be the company's best bet and would probably get them alot more sales, plus the added profits from the initial sales.

@Reggie

Neither did airbags and seatbelts, but you aren't complaining about those, now are you? By your logic they should just re-buy all of the Challengers left from the 60s and sell them to people with a fresh coat of paint.

Challengers left from the 70's will run you 100~500K good luck with that.

This car is still using the left over Merc platform that is in the Charger and the 300C and the Magnum, all of which have suprizingly good handling for being very heavy cars, I saw a track test where a 300 SRT-8 was able to nearly match the laps from the last gen CTS-V.

By promoting those news you help killing the planet and life on it.
You should always promote hybrids and low car usage.After all a car is not a toy for adult it is a way to go from one location to another one. Try a little care about life and respect of nature.

Be humble because someday we will have to pay a lot for these irresponsable attitude.

"Roger Launier:

By promoting those news you help killing the planet and life on it.
You should always promote hybrids and low car usage.After all a car is not a toy for adult it is a way to go from one location to another one. Try a little care about life and respect of nature.

Be humble because someday we will have to pay a lot for these irresponsable attitude."

Do you honestly think that we humans even have much a future and wont annihilate ourselves off the face of the earth first. I think its very ignorant to think that we will even find a way to survive whats comin without some help. I say have a little fun now cause if there isn't some sort of God to save us from ourselves then we have no hope..

"Roger Launier:
By promoting those news you help killing the planet and life on it.
You should always promote hybrids and low car usage.After all a car is not a toy for adult it is a way to go from one location to another one. Try a little care about life and respect of nature.

Be humble because someday we will have to pay a lot for these irresponsable attitude."

Hybrids are for the shortsighted, sure you burn less fuel and put less emisions in the air while you're driving it, but the amount of polution caused by making and disposing of those batteries they used in the long term causes a Prius to be more harmfull to the environment than a Hummer.

Agree with Sanda: Roger, do you have any idea what nickel hydride does to, anything? It will turn water to sludge, grass to sludge, metal to rusty forms of excess evil... its not polluting the air, but the only thing worse than dumping it on the ground would possibly be depleted uranium pellets, fresh from the reactor....

The real way to save the air would be carbon-neutral fuels like biodiesel. Ethanol is a great stand-in until the mass diesel migration begins (although, sugar-beats are a better way to get it than corn, ick), but hybrids are like a feel-good device.

All these cars suck the scariest thing for the planet is that they are selling like crazy in China. When every person in China has a car we won't be worrying about having enough fuel to burn we'll be worrying about having enough air to breath. Limit birth, ride bikes screw the oil companies

Don't count on anyone else than you. No one will have a miracle solution to resolve the pollution problem on earth. Its the sum of every little action that each of us will take that will end up with something. Your a great human being as long as you learn how to help find a life solution within your reach. (your reach is expandable I am sure). Get informed about first the consequences and then what you can do to help. Utopia or future reality no one can say but in waiting for the anwser what can we do is to try understand the nature of things for one day better respect things of nature .You will find others ways to have little fun -There is so much to do. Please help save the planet it's so beautiful and we live on it, life is so rich.

Sincerly Roger

"I saw a track test where a 300 SRT-8 was able to nearly match the laps from the last gen CTS-V."

Thats not much of an accolade. America can't build cars that go round corners.

@brad

And asians can't build cars that go fast in a straight line.

Germans can't build anything reliably that costs less than 100grand.

Should we continue spouting these flawed stereotypes?

I like how they labeled the fuel port for us, just in case. 'Cause you know, I might forget and accidentally pour my latte in there. >_>

Roger Launier:

By promoting those news you help killing the planet and life on it.
You should always promote hybrids and low car usage.After all a car is not a toy for adult it is a way to go from one location to another one. Try a little care about life and respect of nature.

Be humble because someday we will have to pay a lot for these irresponsable attitude.

hey im just curious what do you think hybrids batteries are made of because im pretty sure its not baby kittens like you think. Nickel aluminum mercury and other such heavy elements do alot more damange then carbon, sure they have a lower carbon footprint but the contstruction of such vehicles is way more damaging then 10 tons of carbon. Why dont you get a desiel vehicle and run it off of vegtable oil rather then promoting the planet killing hybrids. Plants and other species can survive in high carbon times they cant survive in the acid that heavy metals create.

The Urgent point is CO2 emissions. Any solution to reduce it is acceptable from my point of you.

Roger Launier

Yes, Ni-MH batteries are incredible bad for the environment.

However, Toyota has an incredible recycling system in place for those batteries. Modern day mining techniques have also greatly improved.

It is a misstatement to say that a Hummer is more environmentally friendly than a Prius.

With this in mind though, the Prius and other hybrids are not the "answer" to our are problems; they are only a step in the right direction.

I like hybrids, but I am not going to preach about environmental stuff, because even though the hybrid batteries are 100% recycleable (and there is infrastructure in place for it) and the mythical hummer comparison is based ont he faint hope you drive the hummer for 300k miles (read the study, its funny).

How about this: Gas prices suck. Expensive cars with poor mileage means less money for other toys. Expensive cars that go fast tend to run higher insurance rates. Look at the hidden costs of ownership real carefully in terms of fuel, maintenance, warranty and insurance.

Then again, I like well loaded cheap cars that get good milage that i can treat badly without guilt, because in the end, a car is not your identity any more than a hammer or a blender is, it is just a tool for a job.

Roger:

There is not enough fossil fuel on the planet to destroy it. You really should know this as a green extremist. In fact had you done your homework you would know that most of the destroying the planet stuff is fear monger. Are you aware that humans at most account for 2% of the CO2 in the atmosphere the rest is natural. Are you also aware the before the industrial revolution that C02 levels have been higher than they are today along with the global temperature. Here is another one while the temps on Earth are rising so are temps on Mars. Without getting everyone worked up about it being mans fault they don't get their funding. Always follow the money.

We may destroy the planet over fossil fuels as they run out but it wont be through using them.

Allen:
There are no sustainable replacements for fossil fuels to date. Even solar is not viable because we don't have enough raw materials to meet demand. All bio-fuels and Hydrogen take as much or more energy to create than they create. Both are just as much of a feel good solution as hybrids. More importantly without fossil fuel there is no fertilizer, without fertilizer plants don't have very high yields, and so on...

Yes we have a very serious energy crisis looming. The problem is we have no answers while we spend billions on a problem that for most part will literally burn itself out in the first part of the next century. Instead the hypocritical environmentalist plan a vacation in Bali to hold a conference, how many carbon offsets does that cost...

3 days = 6000
6 days = 12000
9 days = 18000
12 days = 24000 orders ?
180000 in a month?
GIVE ME A BREAK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of their transmissions will break within a year. My neighbor and my friend both have Dodge Magnums and apparently the Mercedes transmissions are terrible and not fit for use with American-engines. If this challenger has a German transmission then it is destined to fail as well. I hope they upgraded it....

All of their transmissions will break within a year. My neighbor and my friend both have Dodge Magnums and apparently the Mercedes transmissions are terrible and not fit for use with American-engines. If this challenger has a German transmission then it is destined to fail as well. I hope they upgraded it....

This reminds me of the retro Thunderbird. the cost was around the same when it debut and it got a lot of attention the first year, but after that, instead of getting a "WOW" like it did its first year. It got a "cool" in it's second year and by end of its lifespan it got a "meh" It's going to happen to this car as well.

Too much retro the past 10 years is starting to become the norm to peoples interest. The retro Bug started it all, then the Thunderbird, followed by the 911, Mustang, Charger and now this car followed, which will then be follwed by the Camero in 2009 and maybe even the Firebird after that.

Sandra,

That old Hummer is greener than Prius argument has been so widely discounted it's not even funny. They gave the Hummer an expected life of 300K and the Prius 100K because "no one in their right mind would drive a Prius as their sole vehicle". Garbage in, article out.
Meanwhile, in these parts taxi companies have been using the Prius for many years now. Toyota actually bought one back when it accumulated 600K miles on the odometer. And yeah, batteries (even nasty nickel metal hydride ones) are RECYCLABLE - unlike that fossil fuel you're burning.

"And asians can't build cars that go fast in a straight line.

Germans can't build anything reliably that costs less than 100grand.

Should we continue spouting these flawed stereotypes?"

I agree with you on the european reliability (its about as good as american reliability). Not sure how you'd come to the conclusion about the straight line ability of asian cars, unless of course you're talking about entry level hatchbacks and people movers.

Reality is, apart from the odd instances of styling, America don't lead the field in any other aspects of vehicle manufacturing.

All of these new retro cars comming out are to cater to the baby boomers who are retiring and will have a little money to spend. Odds are if there is something nostalgic to make them not feel as old and relive those good ol' days, they will buy it.

eric: All of these new retro cars comming out are to cater to the baby boomers who are retiring and will have a little money to spend. Odds are if there is something nostalgic to make them not feel as old and relive those good ol' days, they will buy it.

Eric is right on the money. My mid-50 year old retired parents are thinking of buying a new Mustang because "it looks like our old one" and reminds them of their long gone youth.

While of course I try to convince them to buy an Accord or a Camry, or even an IS350. But hey, they've worked their whole life, let them have something that will make them feel young again.

eric:
All of these new retro cars comming out are to cater to the baby boomers who are retiring and will have a little money to spend. Odds are if there is something nostalgic to make them not feel as old and relive those good ol' days, they will buy it.

Eric is definately right. But hey, baby boomers account for 29% of the population today, but control 2/3 of every U.S. dollar spent. Love em or hate em, they worked hard to attain their wealth just like your or I, so like Noya said, "let them have something that will make them feel young again."

JohnnyNismo:
All of their transmissions will break within a year. My neighbor and my friend both have Dodge Magnums and apparently the Mercedes transmissions are terrible and not fit for use with American-engines. If this challenger has a German transmission then it is destined to fail as well. I hope they upgraded it....

A few of the Magnums do have Mercedes transmissions but all do not, but after scouring the internet for more info. I'm finding that it is not the transmission, but the software that Dodge is programing into them. Mercedes & Dodge use different software programs to control their transmissions. By the way, I've owned many mercedes from older 400 series all the way up to my corrent 07 E350 and never had any transmission problems. Thats not to say that Mercedes never has any transmission problems. Many Mercedes owners do not like the way the software tells it to shift and sometimes a software update corrects or changes the shift pattern for them. It's all about the software these days. I know Mereceds engines have just as much torque and more on their larger cars than the Magnum...and they do last longer than a year.

Here is a copy of the latest recall for 2007 Dodge Magnum.

Recall Date:
SEP 07, 2006

Model Affected:
2007 DODGE MAGNUM

Summary:
ON CERTAIN PASSENGER AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND PICKUP TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS, THE SOFTWARE PROGRAMMED INTO THE POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE CAN CAUSE A MOMENTARY LOCK UP OF THE DRIVE WHEELS IF THE VEHICLE IS TRAVELING OVER 40 MPH AND THE OPERATOR SHIFTS FROM DRIVE TO NEUTRAL AND BACK TO DRIVE.

Consequence:
IF THE DRIVE WHEELS LOCKED UP, LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL COULD OCCUR INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.

Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON OCTOBER 2, 2006. OWNERS MAY CONTACT DAIMLERCHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403.

@ Roger Launier
"The Urgent point is CO2 emissions."

I think you've been watching too many Al Gore movies...
Nitrogen ~ 78%
Oxygen ~ 21%
Hmmm... doing some math... that's about 99%.
Carbon dioxide must be next, right? Nope... Argon ~ 1%
CO2 makes up about 380 parts per million in our atmosphere.

In the past CO2 levels were much higher than they are presently and the earth's temperature back then must have been hotter, right? Nope... it was cooler.

Don't be alarmed by the effects of burning fossil fuels on planet earth. The beauty of it is... we'll run out long before we can do any real damage to our planet.

That's the reality.

JohnnyNismo:

According to Chrysler Group Plant Fact Sheet, Dodge has been producting their own 5-speed transmissions since 2003. Here is also 1 more of the latest recalls which involve the Chrysler made trans. Notice the amoun to units this recall effects.

Chrysler Group Plant Fact Sheet

Indiana Transmission Plant II
3360 North U.S. Highway 31, Kokomo, Indiana, United States

Floor Space: 6 million square feet

Acreage: 61 acres

Product:
Five-speed RWD automatic transmission (Chrysler 300, Dodge Magnum and Jeep® Grand Cherokee), Jeep Commander; Dodge Nitro and Dodge Charger

Employment: 695 employees

Training Hours: 6,122 hours (2006)

Union Local: U.A.W. (United Auto Workers) Local #685 and #1302

Plant History:
Plant project was announced in October 2000. Transmission production began in November 2003 and the grand opening was announced in December 2003.

Recall Date: 10/06/2005

Summary:
ON CERTAIN PICKUP TRUCKS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 42RLE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS, THE CUP PLUG THAT RETAINS THE PARK PAWL ANCHOR SHAFT MAY BE IMPROPERLY INSTALLED. IF THE SHAFT MOVES OUT OF POSITION, THE VEHICLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE 'PARK' POSITION.

Consequence:
IF THIS OCCURS AND THE PARKING BRAKE IS NOT APPLIED, THE VEHICLE MAY ROLL AWAY AND CAUSE A CRASH WITHOUT WARNING.

Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSIONS AND INSTALL A BRACKET TO ENSURE THE PARK PAWL ANCHOR SHAFT IS RETAINED IN THE PROPER POSITION. THE RECALL BEGAN ON NOVEMBER 28, 2005. OWNERS MAY CONTACT DAIMLERCHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403.

Potential Units Affected: 256409

@RETNIAP

someone here dominated elementary school math! If you read the original post (article) you will know that Chrysler will only make 10k pieces of these.

and to the import crowd: Challenger will kick ass...

@SVT

So if Chrysler receives 24k orders or more, they will not gonna built it?
Buyers should buy two and keep one for spare parts.

I am pretty sure that American made cars can "go around corners". Otherwise, those vehicles would forever be traveling in a straight line. In fact, I have personally witnessed one or two American made cars making both left and right hand turns.

@ Roger Launier:

Dude, pass that joint.

@ brad
" agree with you on the european reliability (its about as good as american reliability). Not sure how you'd come to the conclusion about the straight line ability of asian cars, unless of course you're talking about entry level hatchbacks and people movers."

show me a cheaper and faster asian car compared to the Corvette...

Sabby:

show me a cheaper and faster asian car compared to the Corvette...

An STI or EVO lightly modded will wipe the floor with a regular Corvette and with a little more tweaking will give a Z06 a run for it's money on any track in the world.

For less than 40K.

"All of these new retro cars comming out are to cater to the baby boomers who are retiring and will have a little money to spend. Odds are if there is something nostalgic to make them not feel as old and relive those good ol' days, they will buy it."

That may be a part of who they cater to, but most definitly not the only people, i'm 30 and planning on buying a Challenger and I love the Mustang as well because of the retro styling, cars simply looked so much better back then imo, in fact I know far far more people that like the retro muscle car look that are in the younger crowd, not older baby boomers.

"An STI or EVO lightly modded will wipe the floor with a regular Corvette and with a little more tweaking will give a Z06 a run for it's money on any track in the world"

However we're not talking about moding them, we're talking about buying them off the showroom floor. I don't imagine any serious Vette buyer would even look at an EVO/STI, they appeal to differnt people. Besides they both look like the typical oriental universal car - a box.

RE: The New Challenger, cars as toys; saving the planet: The post claiming cars are merely utilitarian devices for getting from one place to another and not "toys for adults" sure doesn't understand human nature. Sure, they're toasters on wheels for guys like my Dad when he was living, but items of excitement/prestige or just pure lust for lots of us. I DO agree that concern for the environment ("carbon footprint") is important. Remember, today's hot cars get about twice the mileage of the old muscle cars of the sixties and put out a fraction of the pollution. What we *should* do is FORCE BIG OIL to plan its own evolution into the next phase (whether that's homegrown biodiesel, solar-electric, electric-into-hydrogen, whatever but NOT corn-based, i.e. FOOD-BASED) by making them devote the top ten percent of their truly excessive profits (profits=good, greedy, populace-raping profits=bad) to R&D or actual development of "future" technologies for better mileage and LIGHTER WEIGHT VEHICLES, stuff that already exists but is just "too expensive" (until VOLUME use drives down the price of carbon fiber, etc). What's up with cars weighing 4000 lbs commonly now? When the CAFE standards were new, it forced the automakers to chop many hundreds of lbs. off the weight of their products. Where is the call for more of that? Instead, in the Bush era, it's Backwards we Go. The well-off (or the near-term half-billion newly-middle-class Chinese off in the very near future) are gonna want their stuff no matter what it does to the planet, which of course is pathetic. But there is no upper OR lower limit to human intelligence, barbarism and greed. The planet will recover once we're gone, which is looking increasingly-likely in the next century or two or five.

Is this an advertising board for "carbon footprint" hype, or a board about new cars etc? If you really want to help the environment you will buy your carbon credits from me and I can't plant some trees.

This Challenger rocks, but where's the green version?

Dodge needs to start trying to get more power out of their hemi's. If Hyundai can get 375 hp out of a 4.7 V8, I'm sure dodge can get more than 350 hp out of the 5.7 V8. Instead of going bigger with a 6.3 Hemi in the future, why can't they make their current lineup more powerful. These were powerhouses back a few years ago, now they are getting surpassed.

I think the global market forces will work out this issue as the developing world consumes more and more of the earths energy resources. Remember the causes which killed the " Age of Automotive Muscle"? Energy price increases and availablity. The same forces are presently at work driving industry's interest in alternative energy technology.

I thought the topic here was the new Challenger.
Where did all this other crap come from.
Nobody care's. Get a life of your own
and leave us american muscle car guy's out of it.

I love the new Challenger, mustang and camaro.

I thought the topic here was the new Challenger.
Where did all this other crap come from.
Nobody care's. Get a life of your own
and leave us american muscle car guy's out of it.

I love the new Challenger, mustang and camaro.

I thought the topic here was the new Challenger.
Where did all this other crap come from.
Nobody care's. Get a life of your own
and leave us american muscle car guy's out of it.

I love the new Challenger, mustang and camaro.

It's Both sad and pathetic that you people think CO2 is destroying the earth... why don't we stop breathing!? (believe me people think its a good idea, look up eugenics)

Sad Because first they told spray cans caused holes in th O-zone that caused warming (found out it was the moon's gravitational pull) then it was Hydrocarbons... now there saying its just CO2.

Do you even know all the life on the planet is based on carbon... and that you exhale CO2!! the more you exhale the more plants grow!! Thats why the biggest trees are next to the highways! ALL of the recorded ice samples read that when the planet was in its Jurassic period there was much more CO2 and therefor OXYGEN! BECAUSE GUESS WHAT PLANTS DO WITH CO2!!!

Pathetic because the people i hear say this wouldn't give you're family a dollar if you where starving, so it makes them feel better when they follow a fad.

Lastly! the south pole is the largest it has ever been and gowning at a alarming rate... and the government of U.S.A. agreed with other countries decades ago to find ways to melt the northern cap to improve traffic.

Wake up! the earth changes... and even the U.N. says we only cause 6% HA HA HA... I guess thats 6% to much right.

ALSO! the challenger is going to be a stiffer lighter 300 SRT-8... I'll skip!