And still the same shit interior...
Fer cryin' out loud, couldn't they just transplant a CTS or GTO interior in there? That would be better than what it has now.

The Corvette (all current versions) is a bargain compared to anything else with similar performance. Spend an extra $5k on the interior and it would _still_ be a bargain. Sheesh!

I agree about the interior. It reminds me too much of a cheap plastic late 90's Pontiac.

Aside from that, the 'Vette is one of the best bang for the buck values out there. I'd never drive one but they are nice.

The interior is far better in person than in the pictures. The seats are very comfortable. And they spend the real money where it counts. In the engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, and chassis.

That said, that thing is as close to sex as a car will ever get.

@David:
Correction: it is better than sex

in fact this car will be so good and so cheap that it should be illegal....

two things scare me.... typical GM interior (although they're improving) and supercharger whine... hate it... there is just something heavenly about a naturally aspired, high revving V8 engine (i am not a fan of bimmers nor those stallions from modena but do they know how to make an engine sing or what?)

P.S. ok Z06 sounded good

All I can say is the interiors are WAY the hell better now than when the LT1 corvettes where being built. The 96' vette has that ultra lame 80's digital dash still and IMO kills the possibility of buying something like that used. This new ZR-1 really lives upto its name, and @ only 3350 lbs they did a good job of keeping weight in check as a main priority cause no else seems to have remembered extra lbs rob valueable performance.

I'm dissapointed a bit, this is by no means as fantastic as the LT-5 from an engineering standpoint. It will be fast, no doubt, but I'm not sure it lives up to the ZR-1 legacy. The original ZR-1 was built to be the "ultimate" corvette. Is this?

I don't like Corvette, typically, but this one just looks plain sexy.

I'm glad they put most of their money into performance, because that is what people buy this car for, but I wouldn't mind if there was an "Interior Upgrade" package for $6,000 or something. Corvettes have always been lacking in that department, but they make up for it with speed.

Sexy window on the hood as well!

Just because it has round tail lights doesn't mean it's a Vette. It looks like they smashed a 3000 GT and a Firebird together.

*yawn*

I agree with some of you other guys, supercharging the engine just takes away some of the magic. A big V8 wailing to a high redline on it's own is what makes a sports car. I guess it would be hard to make 100hp/liter NA V8 though. Well, for cheap that is...

The interior looks fine. Spartan and functional. I do remember the digital dash on the C4's, man it was horrible. Not to mention the bright red interiors those cars used to have... *shudder* I just picture some guy with a Burt Reynolds 'stache picking up a brand new c4 at the dealer and -requesting- the red interior...

To me this car fails in exterior design and even more so in interior. Sure it has a lot of horsepower but what good is that on the street. I want a car that looks as deadly as it is and GM failed to make the grade

finally, not bad at all exterior.
i agree with someone above, GM still putting effort with the engine because it is what they do best.
Still, an american muscle car.

Yeah the LT-5 was an amazing engine but it just isn't smart business to build an engine solely for one small model of a car. Yes I think eventually GM will switch over to DOHC engines for its V8 performance cars. Especially with these new mileage requirements. But right now they're getting excellent power and excellent mileage from the "old" pushrod technology. Far better than anyone else with the same amount of power.

And they could easily get 600hp NA out of those engines. They'd just have to sacrifice mileage which they're not going to do. Also many owners just aren't enthusiasts and wouldn't like the lump of a larger cam. Besides, thats what the aftermarket is for. It won't be hard to push this thing up to the 800 hp range once its out. 1000 hp will likely be achievable with the stock bottom end. The tranny and the rear end might not like it though.

Looks good, except for the fugly ass glass window they have on the top part of the hood!! It looks so misplaced.

Please someone explain to me why the freaking steering wheel is deformed?? The 3 and 9 o'clock arms arent the same size!!
Interior still looks cheap!!

I have worked on GM cars since the mid 1970's. GM finally has a world class car for Europe. The interior should be ALL black(like a 2002 Monte Carlo SS: NO cheesy silver accents), engine is almost there(needs bigger TB for quicker response, NO drive by wire), but the exterior is dead on! If she handles as good as she looks, we will no longer continue to be the laughing stock of the world car community.

If you are looking at the interior while on the track in this car you will hit the wall

but if you look throught the windshield for a few minites you will have big smile all over your face

THIS IS NOT A SHOW CAR IT'S A GO CAR!

PS adding to much interior will add weight

Damn that car is sexy!! Though I'm not sure about the window on the hood; kinda ricey...but who knows, it may look better in person.

I too agree that supercharging the engine takes away some of the charm of a high HP V8 'vette....but the pure performance makes up for it I think.

One question though...why not supercharge the 7.0L from the Z06 and put that in the ZR-1?

It's no surprise that a majority of comments are negative. It makes me wonder if those people can even afford any new Corvette.

Like anything else with a "built in the U.S." legacy we don't require nor care about world recognition. Especially for American's favorite sports car, the Corvette. The Vette will always be a respected favorite among nearly all Americans.

The reborn ZR1 IS the ultimate Corvette. Built on the proven legacy of the C6 it's once again a performance/price benchmark that will be admired by most when seen on any highway or road in the U.S.

Personally I'd love to be in it at a light next to a 911 and watch the guy bury his head in his newspaper.

It is one cool looking car. It would be neat to see it in the next James Bond movie. There was suppose to be a spinoff of the James Bond movie with Jinx (Halle Berry) being the main character (from the one James Bond movie). It would be neat to see this ZR-1 as her 'trademark' car.

There is suppose to be a new KITT - Knight Rider show/movie. I think the ZR-1 would be more appropiate than what they are planning to use.

It would be even cooler if it had a flex fuel system; lean, mean and green. :)

My only qualm with the exterior is the ridiculous clear window in the hood. The rest of it looks like a Corvette, which is... beautiful.

I'd prefer N/A engine, but it's ignoring technology. It will be hillarious that this will probably get close to 30 mpg hwy and 20 plus in the city and be one of the fastest production cars in the world. People hate american cars but honestly GM's old engine is a modern marvel to me.

@ someguy,

You're a poseur. Fast cars are to go fast, not look cool... Enjoy driving your *pimped* Eclipse on chrome 20's.

Why does everyone complain about the interior. Corvettes are about the drive. If I want to be in the lap of luxury I'll drive a Lexus. Corvettes are what they should be, SPORTS CARS with spartan interiors.

I'd still want a Z06 a 30 g's over this...

you people complaining about the interior are wrong about plastic. it's the new interior. everything is leather wrapped. it's different that the standard ones. if you want a high class interior buy a damn lexus or bmw. who cares!!!! this car beats most ferrari's and porsches for a fraction of the price. who gives a shit if the materials aren't "top notch." jesus christ. porsche and ferrari interiors are plan jane as well.

It looks like a Ferrari 575 Maranello to me.
Not a vet guy, but just as fast as a Ferrari but a 100k less, I would take this one.

This is what KITT should be, not the Shelby GT-500KR.

This dashboard is hideous.

Take some clue from the new Nissan GT-R, or just try to mimic any Ferrari steering wheel. At least in shape, if not materials. It would look much better.

Heck, even my Infniti FX has a fat, proper sport steering wheel with indents for the thumbs, etc.

If Nissan can make the GT-R a similarly "cheap" sportscar with similar performance AND make a good looking, interesting instrument cluster, why can't GM?

Wicked fast, light and attractive. I like the wheels. I'd trade the windowed hood for a carbon fiber unit with cowl induction, though. I agree the interior is plain, but If it's comfortable and intuitive, I wouldn't mind much. Personally I would use a turbo instead of a supercharger. DOHC heads would really wake the engine up, but it makes loads of power already. Great bang for the buck.

Overall the styling was an improvement but I'm not convinced. Two points are very annoying though:

1. The aluminum accents on the steering wheel does not match the shift gear/rest of dash or is it just this picture? The steering wheel silver (is it real aluminum?) parts does not shine at all, as opposed to the other similar parts in the car.

2. Is that rear intake opening before the rear wheel doing any real job? I mean, the rear tyre is fat, and since the opening is so close to it, is there any room to put any duct there to cool the brakes? Or the air just go straigh to the tyre, therefore ruining the aerodynamics?

3. If it were my car, I would ditch the rear spoiler.

4. Why not a turbo?

That window on the hood looks gay.

Sphere:

Spooling a turbo would be so damn hard in such a large engine. It would take precious seconds that are needed when street racing. Which, of course, this thing is going to be used for.

Also, the steering wheel is very close to my Cobalt SS', and it is very comfortable. Leather wrapped, but still plastic on the airbag cover. I like the Vette emblem on the center piece. Mine came with a Chevy logo, but I did see a Impala SS with the SS logo. Lucky bastard.

All in all, I want one of these cars!

It lacks class and finesse. Looks like a 90's Pontiac with all the tacked on body bits. What a shame.

Looks like a frickin' tuned Honda to me. Corvette used to have good forms. This is just so boring and generic looking sport car here. And yes, it looks kinda cheap too.

For the comments about the gtr I really doubt that car will be anywhere near as fast as this one. Its just 200 hp down and 400 lbs to heavy. Yes corvette interiors suck they always have but really for people who drive their cars like I do the interior is the last thing youll be thinking about. Btw nissan cant design cars either I mean there entire model like looks like they took tracing paper to a 350z very similar to bmws a few years ago very boring in terms of styling.

This is one fine vette. Only thing I would change is the rear window. I'd like it to slant down to the trunk like the z06. Other than that, I love everything else. The vette is the best bargain in the world, but its still close to $70k. I'll buy a used one 10yrs from now, if they're still allowed on the road. I'm so happy that the vette is american made and that there are plenty of them around. Which makes them lose value so I can afford one.

No its going to be closer to $100k

i can think of 100,000 reasons not to buy this fantastic plastic chevy

"boooring:
Looks like a frickin' tuned Honda to me. Corvette used to have good forms. This is just so boring and generic looking sport car here. And yes, it looks kinda cheap too."

Show me a honda that looks like the ZR-1...yeah, I'm calling you out chump.

They really need to go back to the 'classic shape'.

Retro this beast please....

Quote:
"Spooling a turbo would be so damn hard in such a large engine. It would take precious seconds that are needed when street racing. Which, of course, this thing is going to be used for."

@Sphere:

That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. A larger engine can pump out more air to spool a turbo... that's why larger engines need bigger turbos because they overspool smaller ones.

I think a twin turbo Vette would be awesome... but this company would not want the headache and $$ spent on warranty for turbo motors of this magnitude. And no.. I'm not a turbo basher of any type - I've owned 2 turbo cars and loved them both.. but can attest that they both needed more $cratch to maintain.

I correct the direction of my comment to Anigav, not Sphere.

Guys who are complaining about the whine...

Have you heard an Eaton blower, especially the latest gen? You can't hear any whine, except under maximum speed, and it's a beautiful sound. Listen to the Ford GT motor or the latest Shelby with the blower and you will have some idea.

Trust me, you will love the sound coming out of this car.

Agree about the Eaton blower. Actually its a shame you can't hear it more. I'm looking forward to being able to afford to own one in a used 2007 Jag XKR in a year or two.

*droolllllllllllllll*
this car = the sex

someone wana buy me one ;)?

"Also, the steering wheel is very close to my Cobalt SS" - Anigav

Exactly what someone buying a $100k wants to hear....ROTFL.

That hood window is as gay as Sen. Larry Craig. Redneck GM, this isn't an artfull Ferrari engine with red crackle-finish intake plenums and cam covers....you have a big hunk of blue/silver ABS plastic; supercool.....NOT.

I like the car. Alot of haters out there tonight...

@Noya
So they used the same steering wheel in the cobalt as they've used in the vette. Just the snobby ignorant thing I would expect an idiot to care about. OMG the steering wheel it looks the same, it must be a lame car....

I do agree about the window and plastic, but it does cost a lot less than the ferraris that have had the windows in the past, and performs just as good or better.

Rob:

You have no idea how a turbo works do you? They don't use turbo because they cost more, generate load of heat and are far more unreliable... To continue with the pile on my T78 takes about 1 second to reach full boost, my stock twins were like .25 seconds. Even in street racing with that lag you aren't going win many races. Against a vette they enjoy a good jump up to about 60 on a rolling start. After that it's lights out. In fact from 80 mph I can out accelerate all but the fastest crotch rockets. The down side is it's quite a handful to drive and loud as hell.

On to the myths GM has had a DOHC in it's iventory since the LT-5 ZR-1, now the north star V8. Guess what it's not more fuel efficient than their OHV engine. The main advantage DOHC is better breathing at higher revs. That why they achieve higher HP per volume than SOHC or OHV engines. The trade off is cost, exterior size and it raises the center of gravity. They are more efficient because of the smaller displacement but in the larger size engines they still need to rev higher negating the advantage. Those OHV gm V8 can cruise effortlessly at 1500 rpm while the DOHC would struggle that low becuase of the lack of bottom end torque.

They didn't boost the LS-7 because the block isn't strong enough. If you look at a picture of an LS-7 without the heads you will see that cylinder liners actually over lap with the pistons preciously close to one another. Boosting would exceed the strength of the block.

All of those supercharger whine like hell and IMHO sound like crap. Better than the old models for sure but crappy none the less.

I always find comment sections so humorous, a bunch of people whinning about a car they will never own. Either due to their ignorance or because they are jealous. Cause last I checked the Corvette was recived as and still is considered the best performace for your dollar hands down.

In the end it wont matter as this car is not being marketed to the people who obviously have no clue what this means to the sports car market. If you want to drive around in a plush lux. interior then go purchase full size sedan or get ready to spend well above what this ZR-1 will costs and be able to have nearly the same performance.

This car is not about making sure your fat lazy ass is comfy and that your dashboard makes you want to take your shirt off so you can be closer to it. Its about how to go the fastest for the best bang for your dollar. When your at the track pushing it to the limit your fancy french stitched baby calf leather seat is going to be no better then a solid bucket with proper lumbar support.

Anyone lucky enough to have the chance to own or drive one of these will be experiancing a truly great machine. As the Z06 caused Top Gear to ask the question why do people pay double just for the badge when the perforance is the same. This car, at the price it will be sold at will be untouchable in terms of sheer performance for money. No it wont be a joy to do your shopping in or for school runs because its ment for one thing.

@ RX-7Guy:

Nowhere did I say large turbos do not take longer to spool.. Yes I do know how turbos work.. I used to assist in designing "kits" for a local turbo remanufacturer. Your average Joe has no clue how to match a turbo(s) with the proper engine.

That being said - I was arguing the point that a large engine very good at spooling a turbo - which is contrary to what Anigav said. And yes a T78 will have ridiculous lag on a 1.3L Wankel no matter what. Nowhere did I mention a larger turbo will have any less lag.

The Vette would be awesome with twin turbos that are properly sized.. why do you think Lingenfelter has twin turbo packages for almost all modern Vettes? You get the most power under the curve and don't need to wait till max RPM for max PSI.

Yes, turbos generate more heat and are a bit more maintenance intensive.. that's why I posted what I said "but can attest that they both needed more $cratch to maintain."

Anyone else notice the skull on the air intake, with the corvette logo for eyes? Unimportant, but still made me grin.

I was never a Corvette guy until I bought a 2000 Corvette. All I can say is that every time I walked up to the car, I smiled. Every time I drove the car, I smiled. That is what made this car worth 60k. It didn’t matter that it wasn’t “The Fastest” or the “Most Exclusive”, or even the “Coolest”.

All of the haters need to get real. This car is probably awesome. If you have the time to handcraft some 1000hp tuner, or the money to buy a 1.2mil Bugatti Veyron, have at it. For the rest of us that have a family and a full time job, this is how we manage to get into the performance of supercar, and still send the kids to college.

For the record, I have driven many exotic cars, and have even owned a 911 Porsche. I can say with experience that the shit-eating grin was just as big with a current generation Vette as it ever was for any of the other cars I have driven.

BTW – My left kidney will be available on ebay shortly for $100K.

mid-life crisis mobile

Big engines spool turbos lower?

.25 seconds to spool is lag and will lose a race?

(look up the difference between boost threshold and turbo lag btw, two completely different things)

So many clueless idiots here.

And Noya, does that mean if this engine had red powder coated valve covers instead of a blue cover that it would be a work of art? Exactly, you'll never appreciate anything because it doesn't say "Ferrari" or "BMW" on it, because you're European nut swinger pure and simple. Maybe if they stuck a Mercedes emblem on that cover...

to that whole argument of superchargers and turbos, i'd rather see SC if the engine can't be naturally aspired... yea i know that new gen SC's are quiet , blah blah, they whine. i can hear it and it throws me off every time, to the point where i only listen to that :D

@ MrWOT:

I'm dissapointed a bit, this is by no means as fantastic as the LT-5 from an engineering standpoint. It will be fast, no doubt, but I'm not sure it lives up to the ZR-1 legacy. The original ZR-1 was built to be the "ultimate" corvette. Is this?

ok so the first production GM vehicle to reach 200 mph is not ultimate enough???

whaat, no rear seats, no pick-up, no 4X4.
crap

I agree about the new chevy corvette. This is a beautiful sport car with more power.And I like the supercar's colour.

McLaren put a supercharged version of of Mercedes engine in the SLR when Mercedes already had more powerful turbo engines available.

There's a reason for that and it's that superchargers simply shift the torque curve up and keep it linear with same slope.

Turbochargers have lag and they increase the slope of the torque curve, which is undesirable. Sure, turbos are great for racing in classes with engine displacement resctrictions and when the engine never sees anything but a very narrow range of rpms up near redline. However, superchargering is better for overall power and driveability.

Alot of you guys are griping about things that are just things you really cant do anything about, on this new vette.
You negative people must have nothing to do but complain about something YOU didn't build or put out, And if you did design this new Vette, You wouldnt be here.
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Im not going to buy this car for the plastic that might be in the interior or on the outside. If im going to get this beast im getting it for the sure threll of having a factory 650hp + or - under my foot and a set of beefy 20 inch meats putting all that power into one big rush.

Im sure like someone above had said, As I walk up to and drive my Z06, As well as this new Vette I will get Im sure. Ill be the other guy with a big smile on my face as im going on a run down the highway.

So you guys that like your Nissan GT-Rs, and your 911, and whatever else, have fun with what you have, because im sure your ride is not all that perfect either and us guys who like Vette's will just pull up beside you and give you a big smile.

And maybe if your lucky well take it easy on you.

"Turbochargers have lag and they increase the slope of the torque curve, which is undesirable."

Not if you know what you're doing. There are multiple production cars out there today that use turbos and hit max torque under 2,000 rpms and have it dead flat until just shy of, or at max hp.

yeah and the turbo cars that do that dont even touch the higher output turbo cars of similar size (vw gti and a lancer evo). the old 1.8 turbo motors had a little bit of turbo lag. even though it was still vacuum, the made good torque (sich as a n/a motor does at low rpm) then the boost comes on the keep the peak torque. the newer 2.0 had added tech though that most (turbo) motors dont have that increase efficiency. those turbo motors cant have big torque number down low than have it keep increasing along with hp like a supercharged motor. that why gm chose that. along with the fact gm has been using superchargers longer than turbos and keeps updating them along with their engines over the years to make them better. if you think gm cant do turbos, remember the last year for the the gnx, it was the fastest car made in america.

yeah and the turbo cars that do that dont even touch the higher output turbo cars of similar size (vw gti and a lancer evo). the old 1.8 turbo motors had a little bit of turbo lag. even though it was still vacuum, the made good torque (sich as a n/a motor does at low rpm) then the boost comes on the keep the peak torque. the newer 2.0 had added tech though that most (turbo) motors dont have that increase efficiency. those turbo motors cant have big torque number down low than have it keep increasing along with hp like a supercharged motor. that why gm chose that. along with the fact gm has been using superchargers longer than turbos and keeps updating them along with their engines over the years to make them better. if you think gm cant do turbos, remember the last year for the the gnx, it was the fastest car made in america.

Hate hate hate, love love love, hate hate hate, love love love...

That about sums it up.

In my view, the exterior looks perfect... and that see-through part of the hood is a great idea to give the hint about the special engine under the hood.

As for some previous commenters saying that the interior was ugly or "hideous"... oh please. You don't know the meaning of the word hideous. Ugly/Hideous is the interiour you see in a Chevette. If you don't know what a Chevette is, I wouldn't be surprised. Calling the Corvette interior Ugly/hideous demonstrates a complete lack of perspective. A Lexus/Cadilac interior has no place in a car with the ZR-1 moniker.

A ZR-1 or Corvettes in general are not about luxury.

Get a clue.

As for it being a 'mid-life crisis' vehicle... maybe... but it is also an 'I've got money now' vehicle or a 'I want to have some fun' vehicle.

Honestly... an oversized SUV can be every bit the 'mid life crisis' vehicle that a Corvette might be.

But the oversided SUV will never be as much fun or look as hot.

And this new Corvette does look hot... and doesn't look like any custom Honda (as a previous poster mentioned) that I've seen.

I think a Lambo says i have money a corvett says i have a tiny pecker.

maby a lambo says i have money and a tiny phalus, you be the judge.

"As for some previous commenters saying that the interior was ugly or "hideous"... oh please."

I wouldn't say HIDEOUS....but sub-par is definitely one of the terms I'd use for it. That's not the big problem with the inside of a Corvette though. The big problem is that for a car THAT big, it has the most claustrophobia inspiring interior I've ever seen. I honestly don't know how they could make the interior feel that cramped in a car that big.

Back to the hideous thing - it may not be the worst interior out there, but when you can buy a VW, Mazda, Honda, etc for 1/3 (or less) of the price and get a nicer interior, there's a huge problem. Yes, I'm well aware that it's not a luxury car and was never intended to be one. However, there's no reason they couldn't add another $500 to the price and have a quality interior on it too (I'm talking about the standard interior....I hear there's a leather option for the new models that's pretty nice).

Supercharge vs. Turbocharge

Motor Trend noted that the engineers tried to turbocharge a Z06 and it caught on fire and burned to the ground. Thats probably why they're using a SC.

Turbocharged engine's with flat torque curves are striaght sixes with sequential turbos, not V8's.

I think people who don't have any money say sports car drivers have small members to make themselves feel better.

you want a twin turbo v8 with performance? try the s7tt.
not all straight 6 turbo engines have flat torque curves. the supra had anything but. in fact its torque curve was closer to a n/a v8 than anything else. bmw's turbo straight 6 has a flat torque curve for easier driving, much like vw 2.0 dgi turbo.

if anything those enzyte commercials have showed us that if you have a bigger member you will do better in life and thus be able to afford a more expensive car.

more powerful vette is always good. nice to see how much work they did on these rest of the (except interior). so weird how this and the viper have no interior. the interior reminds me of a suzuki, but some how i dont think i would care about the interior so much once i was in one

more powerful vette is always good. nice to see how much work they did on these rest of the car(except interior). so weird how this and the viper have no interior. the interior reminds me of a suzuki, but some how i dont think i would care about the interior so much once i was in one

for all you guys complaining about the interior, these pictures dont do it justice. if you look closely, almost everything is leather-wrapped.. The article even states that you can order your the interior leather-wrapped in 4 different colors. In my opnion that was the only lacking aspect of these cars compared to Porsches' and Ferraris'. And with 620 hp, this car is going to be taking names.

Oboy! You don't even have to put in a quater to peek at the intercooler.

Vette's are mid life crisis cars - and cant you buy a new base model for a mere $45K? Not impressed - rather put that money into a European or Japanese machine - forget american muscle - this is old news.

"Midlife Crisis" are words for people who don't have enough money to buy what they want for themselves.

Oh please - seriously, the majority of vette drivers are middle-aged men with baseball caps on hiding their balding heads trying to impress younger women - what they dont realize is that unless you're driving thru some hick-town, you're not gonna turn heads cause most women now-a-days are smart enough to know that vettes dont come with $$. - You want to flaunt class and cash? Go European or Japanese.

Its amazing the arguments people come up with when they dont like a car.

I particularly like when people break down into name calling when they don't like a car.

There are stereotypes about Honda, BMW and VW drivers also. Even if those stereotypes are true, it doesn't change the intrinsic value of the car underneath.

My appologies if I offended anyone with my "name calling" - just dont get the hype that surrounds such a dated vehicle - and i'm not crapping on it because I "cant afford it" - we're not exactly looking at luxury price tags here you know. I prefer my 04 BMW 6 Series

No offense to me, it just weakens your argument. I'm glad you prefer your BMW, it doesn't make sense to drive something you don't like.

I don't prefer your BMW, the only BMWs I have liked in the last 20 years have been the Z3 and the 1 series. I don't, however, use that as an excuse to go around implying that people buy the 6 series for any reason other than they like the car. Or to say that because a certain demographic buys that car (which isn't that different from the Corvette's demographic, by the way) is somehow deficient because they do.

I do wonder how the vehicle is dated, though, since it had a significant update more recently than yours was even built.

I'm wasnt making an argument, much less trying to instigate one - was originally stating an opinion - nothing personal to anyone in particular when you attacked me and assumed my comment was made because I cant afford a piece of plastic with a big motor because the price is apparently too high. Good grief, this conversation is not even about cars anymore and we've turned this page into a personal boxing ring - tell you what, I give. You're right - i'm wrong - what was I thinking??!

I'm wasnt making an argument, much less trying to instigate one - was originally stating an opinion - nothing personal to anyone in particular when you attacked me and assumed my comment was made because I cant afford a piece some piece of plastic glorified with a big motor because the price is apparently too high. Good grief, this conversation is not even about cars anymore and we've turned this page into a personal boxing ring - tell you what, I give. You're right - i'm wrong - what was I thinking??!

I'm wasnt making an argument, much less trying to instigate one - was originally stating an opinion - nothing personal to anyone in particular when you attacked me and assumed my comment was made because I cant afford a piece some piece of plastic glorified with a big motor because the price is apparently too high. Good grief, this conversation is not even about cars anymore and we've turned this page into a personal boxing ring - tell you what, I give. You're right - i'm wrong - what was I thinking??!