4.6 litres and they can only get 315hp out of it? wow.

315HP just isnt enough for a sports car in this segment these days. I mean come on, the cobalt SS wouldnt hang too far behind this thing!

It's not that they can only get 315 HP it's that they wont bump it up when they easily could, and why is a great mystery. You'd think with the GT500 at a 500 HP that they could easily do a 400-450 HP N/A Mach or Bullitt and not cannibalize other models.

Hopefully a S197 Mach is in the works with N/A ~425 HP or something, thats the only way I could see this being justified.

But hey, if its special and limited edition people who think cars are investments will line up and buy it anyway just like people lined up to by a $30k+ civic with a body kit and upgraded brakes.

315hp, but most of it is from intake and rpm increase. For 30 grand the axle and suspension changes, better make some serious increases in handling and performance.

Atleast you get a little more than a body kit with your 5k. Better than what you get for 30k with the civic.

You might aswell invest in a eddie van halen replica guitar with the other 30k you have laying around.

If you want retro well this is it. Nothing special with this mustang inside or out. It's pretty much exactly how the orginal one was, minus the poert of the engine. They should have at least threw a some sort of turbro charger in it to bump it up to at least 350hp. I mean, that would have gave it enough seperation from the Mustang GT.

They should take the badge off all their cars. Without the ford logo, they might actually sell some haha!

Sounds like bullshit to me :). No, seriously, it looks great.

So, they brealy tweak the engine, change out the final drive ratio, paint it a "special" color, and mark up the price to creat a sense of excusivity. woowoo. how bland. ford does it again.

or you could just buy a GT, put on a cold air intake, change out the rear differential, and get over the fact that you can't get that special green color.

this ranks right up there with the $30k mugen civic sedan.

the collectors can have this one. i thumb my nose at this vehicle.

Only another 5hp to go and then the Mustang GT will finally be caught up with the Camaro Z28 and Trans Am of 2002. Still no 6 speed though. And that 3.73 rear end with a 5 speed means a good bit higher rpm on the highway.

Pretty sad that GM has been using 6 speeds in its V8 RWD cars since 1992 and its 2007 and you still can't get one in a Ford without paying a ton of money. The supercharged Cobra was the exception but look how long that lasted.

It looks beauty... from a distance!

WTF Ford? What were you thinking. This is BS! You guys did ok with the Ford GT so I don't know why your head is up your butt on the Mustang. However, If you want to make a special edition Mustang, then make it really special and here are some examples of what you need to do. First give it an independent rear suspension and lower it (take a good look at a BMW for this one). Then throw on some one of a kind rims. Next get with Audi and have them design a premium interior. Then give it a one-of-a-kind paint job. Tweak the engine to have minimum 400HP and give it either a 6 speed manual or a 6 speed DSG transmission. Serial number every car and have Mr. Ford personally sign each and every one. And lastly, give each person that buys one a nice plaque stating the authenticity of the car with the serial numbe, photo of the car, and again with Mr. Ford's signature. You do all this Ford and I'll be first in line to purchase one. Until then, I'll be taking my business somewhere else.

Are you kidding me? Do you have the slightest idea how much that would increase the price of the vehicle, it would be right up there with the GT500. As it stands its another 3-4 grand for this bullitt package, which is very overpriced however, a fully independent rear would add thousands of dollars, a supercharger would further increase that and a 6 speed would push it up even further, now your talking GT500 price range and why would they want to jeopardize the sales of their flagship mustang.

I agree this vehicle has not been changed enough and a new rim design and at least 350hp would be great. A 6 speed i can agree with but not a DSG. Thats a transmission for people who think they can drive. Might fit in a European car but not in an American muscle car.

This car needs a revision, ill agree with that but what some people are suggesting is totally unfeasible.

Just another gas guzzling American joke of a car. If we continue at this rate we'll have to occupy Iran to so we can have enough gasoline for our hummers and expeditions. When is the American government going to wake up and stop this horsepower race? Does a Honda Accord need 268hp?? I mean cmon, this country is run by Idiots or AN Idiot I should say.

Maybe you're alright driving a 4 cylinder vehicle with 150 hp and a 0-60 of 10 seconds but some people aren't. People want more horsepower these days and thats exactly what the auto industry is giving.

The American government will never step in. They have a thousand more important issues and don't care about the environment.

Wow, not much of an improvement for that extra few grand. Anyone could do the same on a stock GT with 3.73 gears, some stick on badges, an aftermarket grill, shift knob, and a cone filter/tune. You'd probably end up with a more aggressive tune and more HP than the Bullitt too.

I'm just saying if you are going to build a special edition Mustang, make it special. Don't just throw or delete a couple of trim pieces, give it a minor tweak and call it special edition. Even if it did cost thousands more, it's not meant for the masses. You have the normal GT for that. A DSG transmission would be a viable option for the Mustang. The Bugatti Veyron uses it, Audi's and VW's use it. My car has one and it is one sweet transmission. I was just saying that Ford should let you decide between a manual and an automatic and in my opinion, the DSG is the way to go.

This country is run by people who work, earn money, and are free to spend that money on whatever they want and it needs to stay that way.

If you feel that government should be all powerful and step in and control peoples every decision, perhaps you should consider a political career in Cuba or participate in the communist revolution occurring now in Venezuela. It does not belong in the United States.

Or you can just move to Britain. The people there are fond of doing only what the government says they can do.

In short, mind your own business. If you don't like this car, don't buy it. Unlike you who think it's ok to take this car (or the choice it provides) from others by force because you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to get one.

And 315 HP is hardly gas guzzling. You should see how my gas gauge is inversely connected to my boost gauge. You'd have an heart attack. I'm paying for the gas as gas prices climb and climb. Why do you care?

You should be lucky you have the regulations we do have only because most of us are reasonable and able to tolerate your incremental progressivism crap thinking it is invisible.

All it would take is 1 million letters of congress on an election year from automotive enthusiasts and CAFE and friends would vanish.

This country is controlled by the people, not the government.

And when "the people" consists mostly of totalitarian communists like you that want to control personal facets of my life, thats when the bullets start flying.

CS: problem with that is cars like (Mustang in general, not this Bullitt) this are made:

a) for mainstream people looking for a cheap thrill for $20k. If a Mazdaspeed 3 or an Integra doesn't have a 25 speed DSG, don't expect to see it in a Mustang. The Mustang and Miata are not Veyrons. They aren't even G35s. Again, a common trend of wanting everything a Veyron has in a $15-30k car otherwise it's crap. "zomg that Civic or Neon gets .0001g less skidpad than an Enzo, it sucks!"

b) for enthusiasts who don't want extra gizmos. I know myself, I would prefer a Ferrari with a standard slotted shift gate because it's a classic Ferrari icon, I don't care that the F1 paddle shift is superior. This car is made for the classic American pony car market.

The people that are complaining about stuff like DSG wouldn't but this car if it DID have DSG. The people who will buy this car don't care about DSG.

But options are always a nice thing to have for people willing to experiment.

In a day of global warming and high gas prices, do we really need an over powered car?

For run of the mill mustangs, a standard auto or 5 speed is just fine. What I'm saying is for a limited or special edition car that everyone knows will be more expensive, just throw in some nice options such as either a 6-speed for the racers for a DSG for the people that can't shift a manual such as someone that lost their feet from an IED. Granted it will cost more, but if you don't want to pay, then just buy a standard Mustang.

This isn't really a special edition though that claims to introduce any new or technologically advanced features. It's just a GT with $10 worth of accessories.

Just a limited edition with a sticker to make a quick buck. Like the PT Looser, er Cruiser... when was the last time you saw one that WASN'T "Limited Edition" ?

The latest trend of capitalizing on peoples desire to one up the Jones'. Stick "limited edition" on anything and people will flock to it if only because they think they might have something, anything, that someone else wont'

PS3 is a perfect example. Nobody actually wanted a PS3. They just didn't want someone else to have a popular coveted something that they didn't have. Which created an artificial demand and self fulfilling prophecy.

Loser* (I hate that mistake)

The 2009 Camaro is launching with the L92 V8, a 6.2 liter with 362 hp. Most likely the LS3 will be offered as an upgrade and that will have 430 hp.

The Dodge Challenger, as far as we know, will use the 6.1L Hemi with 425 hp. A supercharged version with over 500hp is not too far-fetched.

But Ford delivers a 315hp Mustang now? If the Big Three wanted to re-live the muscle car days and make old people once again say "Is that all the power that Ford's got?" then this is how to do it. Or make their currently small audience chuckle once more that only ladies drive Mustangs.

But in the 21st century, the few young buyers who would go for a muscle car can clearly see more power on the horizon. And this current Mustang isn't getting that spectacular of real-world mileage, so no one is staying there for that reason.

The 2009 Mustang better be all new with far more power. If they just use smarter cams, injection setup (direct injection please!), and possibly DOHC (they already do with the GT500), then they could wring potentially 368 hp out of the 4.6L. Wouldn't even need to modify the block that badly. The 5.4L V8 in the GT500 is just a Triton truck engine with DOHC and supercharger, so its not to unlikely they might try this.

That will beat the Camaro's numbers with the 6.2L

Then they just keep offering the GT500 (maybe lower the price some to make it competitive with the Challenger and LS3 Camaro) and zing, competitive muscle car line up.

Allen:

The current 4.6L can make 400 HP easy in N/A form. Just look what the Mach 1 does with minor tweaks and no power adders. Fully built N/A race monsters are making 600-800 HP without nitrous or forced induction.

Little things like a $25 air filter and a CFD tested (computational fluid dynamics) properly bent intake elbow made out of a $10 segment of plastic or aluminum pipe that recovers 25 HP lost through induction turbulence should be standard on a $30,000 car.

The 4.6 definately needs DOHC or even the SOHC 3V with two intake valves works great. Two valves is fine for a 7.0L engine, but not for the small restrictive bore of a 4.6L engine. Two valves is not efficient use of valve space when combustion chamber area is at a premium.

In an age where 4 door economy family sedans like Altimas and Camrys and Malibus have almost 300 HP from a 3.5L V6, a 315HP 4.6L V8 is an absolutely joke and a disgrace to the muscle car enthusiast. The regular non muscle car economy hair dresser V6 mustang should at least be on par with a Camry in the performance department.

Bring back John Colletti and revive SVT to manage the entire Mustang line...

And a supercharged 6.1 is more likely to put out 650 HP with the blower not even moving.

But they probably will purposely not do that, because it would threaten Corvette and Viper sales.

Reason must be the rear axle which is just bad in all the ways

More SHIT form FORD
The JAPS are laughing there ass off
Americans buy this crap
Makes you think how they lost the war ?

More SHIT form FORD
The JAPS are laughing there ass off
Americans buy this crap
Makes you think how they lost the war ?

If you have nothing constructive to say, don't bother posting.

If you feel it's shit, share why you think it's shit like everyone else has. And do it in a way that makes you look like you have credibility to criticize something you know something about. Don't just regurgitate the same pre-canned sneers of magazines and automotive shows that are going to be biased with their own national pride and naturally take stabs at everyone else.

Stop with the mindless America bash fest. It makes you look like a envious snob.

BTW Ford shit is one of the top selling brands in Europe and in Japan they drive around in imported Mustang shit and dress up like Elvis.

The Japanese laugh that we buy their bland economy cars while they take all our (and their), cool cars.

nihon ni ryokou o shita?

If it was up to me, I'd fork out the extra $3k and get a 135i, or wait a while for Hyundai to release their V8 RWD Coupe.

It would be cool if Ford made a limited edition REAL retro rather than a half-baked attempt at a retro-inspired 2007 car.

I mean EXACTLY like the car from the 60's down to every nut and bolt. No computers, airbags, CD players, engine management etc.

I guess it would handle like shit compared to todays cars though. Oh wait... even modern Mustangs all still have live-beam suspensions so I guess no change there.

Niz:

You'd have to eliminate all the soccer moms and liberal special interest groups that lobby for that stuff and make it mandated. The busy nosy bodies that think they know better than you do and say you should have air bags in your car whether you want them or not.

I can understand laws requiring proper tires that might affect someone else if I lose control because I'm running around in the rain with drag slicks... but air bags don't have an effect on any innocent third party. I can understand government & consumer watchgroups recomending you purchase vehicles with air bags for your safety, and requring that manufacturers disclose all saftey equipment on the window sticker, as long as they didn't force adopting those things unless they did so on their own will because thats what customers wanted.

But who is someone else to say that I have no choice to have airbags in *my* car that *I* am paying for?

People just need to live their own lives and quit forcing their idealistic bullshit on everyone else via 10000000000 laws regulating how we take a dump.

How negative can car lovers be? Think back to when you first heard the growl of a muscle car! This car is awesome, I would easily drive it if I had the money. Not every car is supposed to be 500+ HP. I mean as much as I love hearing about ZO6's losing their back end in 1st and 2nd..... I do agree a little more would be nice, but 315 aint bad. And I think they got the torque right with 325 lb-ft. Don't tell me when a Bullitt pulls up next to you in your Civic or Camry that youre not jealous. I dont care if you do the 1/4 mile half a second quicker, the Mustang is and will always be one of the coolest cars ever made, and the Bullitt only makes it better!

CHRIS, maybe you should join the ARMY and fight for you right to waste oil. Since you believe we should be able to do whatever we want regardless of the environment or whether it leads (and it will) to a world war.
The whole problem with this country is they think they should be able to do whatever they want. The government if they had any brains at all would say "Hey, you need to cut your oil consumption in half on each automobile produced after 2007, our oil dependece would decrease dramatically. However people like you with no brains, cant figure this out. Join the Bush club.

Chris:
I agree with you that when the average sport-sedan has 300 hp (and just as much torque), Ford really needs to do some work on their engine. I laughed my ass off once in the summer of 2006 when I saw a Mustang driver and 350z driver drag from one stop light to the next. The 350z left the Mustang in the dust after the first half of the race or so.

think you are giving to much credit to aftermarket parts though.

For the Bullitt, Ford added new exhaust, rear differential and an open-airbox intake, and they are no where near 400hp. The catayltic converter robs most performance on modern cars, so without a much larger intake and exhaust system, and higher-flowing cats, I've never seen big power increases with natural aspiration on new cars. I laugh at the guys at the G8boards who say a cat-back exhaust and open-air box with a engine re-tune will net 50hp. Maybe a retune will net 20-30. Cat-Back shouldn't net anything: the exhaust is still limited by the catalytic converter and all the plumbing before it. Its like saying that if a 10 foot pipe flows 30 cubic feet of water a minute and then you make the last 1/3rd of its twice as large, it would flow more. No, its still going to flow 30 cubic feet a minute. Maybe if you turned up the pressure some (new intake setup in a car for example) you may flow another foot or two. But nothing huge.

Thats why whenever I work on any engines that will hit the streets (and need to be emmissions certified) I always try and go for the cams and then the engines computer. If we have time, money or both, then we add higher-flowing catalytic converters and new exhausts and intakes.

I've mentioned that to you before, haven't I? That I've done engine work before? I know what these things can do Chris. I've seen 90hp Honda 4 cylinders from the early 90s Civics make 290hp at the wheels without forced induction, on pump gas. It was a little bit rough to drive on the streets I bet, with a cam setup that aggressive, but it does it.

@allen

What motor was it that went from 90 to 290 without fi or nos?

Allen:

Nope never mentioned it before. Nothing at all strange about a 4 cyl making 290 HP. You must be talking about a D15 or something from a CRX? What I can't stand are people that have never done anything like that who think you can get 800 HP out of a 1.8L engine with no compromises (such as having to be your own gas station with leaded race gas, etc)

I have a personal fondness for the 3SGTE. GT35R turbo with a Motec M4 or AEM and some other goodies, and damn. Meanest deepest 4 cyl I've ever heard, sounds like a cammed chainsaw on nitrous ready to tear into something. I want one for my Camry some day, it's a straight drop in replacement for the 5SFE (same block casting) save for some custom brackets and harness work.

The thing I just wish people kept in mind before making blanket statements about displacement being somehow antiquated is that, given your example you can take a 90 HP engine and get 290 HP out of it. You can also take a piss poor engine tune like this one making 315 HP and get a whole lot more out of it as well.

Fun stuff to play with, wringing all you can out of a smaller engine with half the parts. But like you said when you do it with a smaller engine, you make many compromises that make it harder to live with on the street than if you just took a bigger engine and didn't have to tune so aggressively. Thats the reason Honda's more upper class bigger cars have the bigger torquey K serious engines instead of the B series.

jfelano:

People doing whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T INFRINGING ON OTHERS RIGHT TO DO THE SAME, isn't what causes conflicts.

It's people crossing the line and meddling in other peoples affairs that cause conflicts as the defending side fights back to maintain their right to do things the way THEY choose.

That goes for people, governments, nations, 'spreading democracy', crusades, Islamic conquest, whatever.

My driving a Cobra and you driving a Prius and both of us paying some rich land owner in the Middle East for oil who enjoys his easy buck, aren't causing any conflicts. Unaccountable world leaders and clashing political and religious interests are.

Someone like you saying that I should be forced to drive a Prius because thats what you think, is what causes conflict, because I will fight people like you in order to keep the car I like and retain the ability to make my own choices.

And don't even get me started on the whole global warming thing. You'll have just as much luck in convincing me there is an invisible man that lives in the sky watching me every day. You can talk about global warming theories proposed by scared fear mongering lambs all you want, but more absurd things such as gods pulling the sun into the sky via chariots where equally serious theories in their time...

Go take your prozac and tell yourself "everything is going to be ok" 10 times. And learn something about economics, politics, and sociology before you jumping to simplified cause and effect conclusions.

The Bullitt package is an homage to the original in the movie. The paint, rather unadorned bodywork, and blacked out grill were character features of the original. Same goes with the Torq-Thrust wheels. The package is designed to mimic that and not to be the king of all Mustangs. I like the look myself, but would not spend the money on the package.However, I am sure avid Mustang loyalists will. I follow the philosophy that cars are meant to be driven and not stored in a garage. Trust me, 315hp is more than enough for the average driver. If you want more, the aftermarket and qualified engine tuners (like Allen above) can wake up the engine.

The wheels are too big. Other than that, it's basically perfect. The chase scene in Bullit against that similarly understated but sinister 69 charger with the king of all hemis of the time in it, is just the coolest movie scene in history.

I'm only in my 20s, but I would totally buy this car just for how cool that originial mustang driven by steve mcqueen was -- it'll probably always live in my mind as the coolest car I've ever seen.

jfelano:

I must apologize, you're just doing what the liberal media and education system programmed you to do and don't know any better.

However that won't be an excuse when my government is figuratively going door to door taking my property because people like you supported banning and confiscating certain objects you didn't want anyone else to have, and you will be my enemy when the conflict ensues.

I'd personally prefer to just live and let live but I will defend what is mine at all costs.