The Ford Mustang Bullitt gets a few tweaks inside and out that make it special. The engine receives a small bump in power to 315 horsepower and 325 lb-ft. of torque. The Bullitt also gets the GT500's rear axle with a 3.73:1 final drive ratio. The suspension has also been lowered and tweaked.
Visually the Bullitt gets special 18" wheels, black leather interior, a plain black grille devoid of any pony badging, a faux round gas gap with the Bullitt badge on the trunk and a similar badge on the steering wheel.
Ford is only going to produce 7,700 of the special Mustangs with 7,000 destined for the US and the other 700 for Canada. Unfortunately once those are gone there will not be any more. Also there will not be a 2009 Mustang Bullitt.
The 2008 Mustang Bullitt starts at $31,075.
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PRESS RELEASE:
BUCKLE UP AND BRACE FOR ACTION, McQUEEN FANS:
MUSTANG BULLITT™ RACES TO THE STREETS in 2008
* · More horses: Featuring the latest in Ford Racing Technology, Bullitt's 4.6-liter V-8 delivers 315 horsepower and 325 pound-feet of torque.
* · Sport-tuned: Modified chassis and suspension improves an already competent and capable chassis to deliver the most balanced Mustang ever.
* · Film-inspired: Dark Highland Green exterior paint calls back the original movie car, while a specially mastered DVD helped Ford engineers deliver an exhaust note that matches the film.
* · Mustang magic: Bullitt is the latest in a line of special editions that keep Mustang news fresh. Plus, it delivers on the Mustang tradition of unique products that fit customers' individual preferences: a steed for every need.
* · Bottom line: Bullitt carries on the Mustang tradition of affordable performance with a $31,075 Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP). A limited production run of 7,700 units is planned.
SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 6 – Four decades after hitting the big screen and redefining the on-screen car chase, the Ford Mustang Bullitt returns to the streets in 2008, blending the best Mustang ever with the latest Ford Racing technology.
This modern classic delivers a balance of power and performance, thanks to special chassis and suspension tweaks as well as the 315 horsepower and 325 pound-feet of torque that Bullitt delivers through its 4.6-liter V-8 engine.
"The 2008 Mustang Bullitt embodies the true spirit of the 1968 movie car," said Derrick Kuzak, group vice president, Global Product Development. "Like the original Bullitt, this car dials the driving dynamics up a notch for Mustang enthusiasts who love the performance, handling and the sweet sound of Ford power that only Mustang can deliver."
The 2008 Bullitt arrives in dealers early next year, with a starting MSRP of $31,075 (including destination and delivery) and limited production of 7,700 units for the and .
The launch of the limited edition 2008 Mustang Bullitt coincides with the 40th anniversary of the release of the Warner Bros. Pictures film that gave the original car its name. In the movie, legendary actor Steve McQueen drove a Dark Highland Green 1968 Mustang GT that gained cult status among Mustang enthusiasts, thanks to a seven-minute scene that film and car buffs believe defined the modern movie car chase.
Bullitt Chassis Delivers a Balance of Performance and Comfort
Ford engineers modified the 2008 Mustang Bullitt's chassis and suspension to fine-tune handling and ensure the extra horsepower and torque from the 4.6-liter V-8 is put to good use. The live rear axle uses a unique 3.73:1 gear that helps launch the Bullitt with vigor.
Stock Mustang GT shocks and struts were swapped out for new units that allowed engineers to dial in a more aggressive driving dynamic while still maintaining the outstanding ride and balance of the base Mustang GT. A tower-to-tower brace designed specifically for the Bullitt lends additional torsional and lateral stiffness to the chassis for improved cornering and holds a unique serial number for each Bullitt.
"The 2008 Mustang Bullitt delivers balanced performance," said Paul Randle, chief engineer. "Comfort is not compromised for performance. Performance is on demand. You can easily take Bullitt from the track to the street and back onto the track with confidence."
The brakes also have been improved versus the base Mustang GT's. More aggressive front pads were developed specifically for Bullitt and improve fade resistance and pedal feel.
The 2008 Mustang Bullitt wears unique cast-aluminum Euroflange wheels, offering a modern twist on the original movie car. The Dark Argent Gray spokes feature a satin finish, while a bright-machined lip completes the look. Calipers are colored to match the wheel. The wheels are wrapped in the same P235/50ZR 18 BF Goodrich g-Force T/A KDWS tires used on Mustangs at the Ford Racing High Performance Driving School at Miller Motorsports Park in Utah.
Powered by Ford Racing
Bullitt packs firepower under the hood. The 4.6-liter, 3-valve V-8 delivers 315 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 325 pound-feet of torque at 4,250 rpm.
Engine calibration is designed to increase throttle response for a snappier acceleration feel. The redline has been boosted by 250 rpm to 6,500, with top-end speed bumped to 151 miles-per-hour. Gears are selected via a Tremac 5-speed manual transmission, and the shifter is topped with a polished aluminum shift ball designed specifically for the 2008 Bullitt.
The car features the first use of an open-element air filter in a factory-produced, fuel-injected Mustang. Inspired by Ford Racing, the intake is tucked neatly behind the driver side headlamp, mounted in an air box that was tooled up specifically for the Mustang. The hood liner was extensively modified to provide a full seal to the air box, ensuring that the engine is fed a steady diet of cooler air.
"Colder air reduces intake losses," said Randle. "The new cold-air intake has shown a reduction in rise over ambient temperature from 50 degrees down to 17 degrees Fahrenheit. That equates to more horsepower and more torque in all driving conditions."
Engine performance is further enhanced through the use of an innovative adaptive spark ignition system, new for the 2008 Mustang.
The system can sense, within a few seconds, what type of fuel is being injected into the motor and adjusts the spark to provide maximum torque at any given speed – and as much as 10 pounds-feet more between 1,000 and 4,000 rpm.
Bullitt can run on either premium or regular fuel. Ford recommends premium fuel for optimum performance, but the adaptive spark ignition will adjust the spark to burn regular fuel without damaging the engine.
"With all the improvements we've made to the engine and the taller 3.73-to-1 rear gear, the Bullitt will plant you firmly in the driver's seat when you stand on the throttle. We've seen zero to 60 times drop by up to three tenths of a second," said Randle. "There's also plenty of power on tap at any speed. The car definitely feels lighter on its feet, and it is."
The custom-designed exhaust system continues Mustang's traditional use of a true dual-exhaust system with a new H-pipe specifically developed for Bullitt. The all-new mufflers, featuring larger 3.5-inch chrome tips (versus the 3-inch tips on the standard Mustang GT) are tuned to minimize backpressure, maximize horsepower and provide the Bullitt with its powerful exhaust note.
"We wanted to get the exhaust note as close to the original movie car as possible, so we based it on a digitally mastered DVD," said Randle. "We wanted something that would rumble your heart, literally buzz you – and the Bullitt team delivered."
Capturing the Bullitt's Undercover Look
The original 1968 Mustang's stealth-like appearance wasn't necessarily intentional. In typical Hollywood fashion, the movie crew removed all exterior badges and logos from the car – including the iconic pony badge on the grille.
The 2008 Mustang Bullitt calls back the original movie car in painstaking detail – right down to the dark green paint and lack of exterior badges, scoops and spoilers.
The only visible identification is the word "Bullitt" dropped into a gun-sight graphic in the center of the faux gas cap on the decklid.
"The 2008 Mustang Bullitt, like the movie car, is a wolf in sheep's clothing," said Doug Gaffka, chief designer. "Mustang is – and always has been – such an icon that it's recognizable without the badges. But Bullitt's clean exterior doesn't give away the Ford Racing-inspired power and performance lurking under its skin."
The new Bullitt wears a close match to the movie car's 1968 Highland Green paint, officially called Dark Highland Green. This distinctive color has only graced one other Mustang, the 2001 Mustang Bullitt. Gaffka assures Bullitt enthusiasts that the color will remain an exclusive Mustang Bullitt color. Non-purists can opt for only one other color – black.
The Mustang Bullitt uses the standard Mustang GT's front fascia. A new black-mesh grille is devoid of the standard chrome pony and is accented by a satin aluminum strip that represents the chrome grille surround on the 1968 car. The rear fascia also is shared with the standard Mustang GT and houses Bullitt's unique dual exhaust tips. Dark Argent Gray painted brake calipers closely match the wheel spokes, while staying true to the original.
Bullitt Interior Delivers Comfort with a Purpose
The interior is pure Mustang Bullitt, understated and dressed in Charcoal Black leather and Satin metallic trim. The centerpiece of the interior is the hand-machined, aluminum swirl dash panel appliqué.
"The machined appliqué differentiates the Bullitt from any other Mustang in the line-up," said Gaffka. "It's also perfect for the Bullitt. The graphic presentation brings back the feel of the '60s while still staying true to the Mustang's modern interior design."
Satin aluminum bezels circle the air vents and gauges, complementing a satin aluminum shift ball that replaces the standard leather-wrapped shifter on the Mustang GT. The pedals wear race-inspired aluminum covers that further reinforce Bullitt's performance intentions.
The interior is graphically clean. The only identifying marks visible inside Bullitt are the logo and gun-sight graphic mounted in the center of the leather-wrapped steering wheel and the word "Bullitt" embossed into the metal sill plates.
The Dark Charcoal leather seats pick up the diamond perforation inserts from the base Mustang GT. The seats are patterned after those in the Shelby GT500 providing added lumbar and bolster support. The seats are constructed using the new soy-based foam developed by Ford and introduced on the 2008 Mustang. The soy foam, made up of 24 percent renewable content, is produced through a process that requires less energy and emits less CO2.
Bullitt Pushes Beyond
The Bullitt package enhances the Mustang GT Premium package with the following:
* · 3.73:1 Limited Slip Rear Axle
* · Ford Racing Power Pack (cold air induction system)
* · High Performance Calibration
* · Performance Friction Carbon Metallic® front brake pads
* · Ford Racing Strut Tower Brace
* · Sport –tuned suspension (shocks/springs/stabilizer bar)
* · Modified "H" Pipe
* · Dark Grey Brake Calipers
* · 18-inch Euro-Flange Bullitt Wheels with Charcoal Satin Finish
* · 3.5-inch Packed Exhaust Tips
* · Distinct Upper Grille
* · Bullitt emblem on faux fuel cap
* · Black interior with upgraded steering wheel
* · Charcoal Black sport leather seats
* · Unique IP finish (hand-machined aluminum swirl)
* · Satin Aluminum interior accents (ball shifter/sill plate/pedal covers)
Standard content also includes:
* · 4.6-liter 3-valve V-8 engine
* · 5-speed manual transmission
* · Auxiliary audio input jack
* · One-touch up-down power windows
* · Power mirrors and door locks
* · Keyless entry
* · Air conditioning
* · Tilt steering wheel
* · Speed control
* · Rear window defroster
* · Four-wheel power disc brakes
* · Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) with Traction Control
* · Seat-mounted side air bags
* · LATCH
* · Personal Safety System®
* · SecuriLock®
* · Tire Pressure Monitoring System
* · Shaker 500 Audio System with six-disc CD player, MP3 and eight speakers
Available options include:
* · HID headlamps
* · Shaker 1000 Audio System six-disc CD player, MP3 and 10 speakers
* · SIRIUS satellite radio
* · Ambient Lighting
* · Active Anti-Theft System
* · Wheel locking kits
The 2008 Mustang Bullitt will be built at Ford's Automotive Alliance Plant in Flat Rock, Mich. It goes on sale early next year. Press materials and visuals of the new 2008 Mustang Bullitt are available at www.media.ford.com.
MUSTANG BULLITT WINS, KEEPS FANS 40 YEARS RUNNING
Four decades after the original Bullitt made its appearance on the silver screen, the Ford Mustang Bullitt will return to the streets in 2008. On sale in January, the new Bullitt stands to gain notoriety among enthusiasts and club members who keep the spirit of the car alive and well.
The Shot Heard 'Round the Mustang World
The 2008 Bullitt Mustang marks the second tribute to the iconic 1968 Bullitt Mustang. Ford launched a specially modified Mustang GT in 2001 after receiving overwhelming positive response from consumers who saw the concept version at the 2000 Los Angeles International Auto Show.
The car is as popular today as it was at its introduction in 2001. More than 3,000 Bullitt Club members link up on the forum pages of the International Mustang Bullitt Owner's Club web site (www.imboc.com). The site's registry lists 2,428 Bullitt Mustangs and represents owners from all 50 and several other countries.
Bullitt owners are loyal, many having gone as far as having Bullitt tattooed somewhere on their bodies. Club members are like a family, answering the call when one of their own runs into trouble. When one member's car broke down on the way back from the 2006 Nationals, for instance, "Bullittheads" made calls and pulled strings and had the car repaired for free and returned to the young serviceman's family while he was serving his country in .
Mike Affourtit, IMBOC co-founder and webmaster, is a long-time Mustang enthusiast and was drawn to the 2001 Mustang Bullitt because of the connection the car had with the movie Bullitt.
"It was the whole Steve McQueen vibe," said Affourtit. "As soon as people saw the car, they fell in love with it. It offered an instant connection with the movie car and the movie chase scene. That Bullitt is the epitome of muscle cars and especially Mustangs."
The Mystery Behind the Original Bullitt Mustang
Two 1968 Mustang GTs with 390 cu.-in. engines were purchased for the making of the movie. Both vehicles were modified for on-screen duty with making modifications to the engines and suspensions and camera mounts welded in to facilitate in-car photography.
One of the two was equipped with a roll cage. This was the car seen jumping the hilly streets of San Francisco and being used as a battering ram to force the bad guys' Charger off the road and into a gas station moments before it explodes in a massive ball of flame.
At the end of filming, the bashed and battered Mustang was sent to the salvage yard to be crushed.
The history of the second movie car is chronicled in an article written by automotive journalist and Mustang expert Brad Bowling. It can be found on his website: www.bradbowling.com.
Ultimately, the remaining car was sold to an MGM employee and changed hands several times until 1972. The car's current owner bought it under the stipulation that his name remained anonymous.
The mysterious owner, now a successful businessman, has turned down numerous offers to sell the car or to loan it out for display at commemorative events. McQueen himself tried to buy the Mustang from him in 1977, but the owner turned him down. He did tell McQueen that if he ever did decide to sell, McQueen would get first dibs. McQueen died in 1980.
Bullitt will scream into dealers in January. With a starting price at just under $31,000 and limited production of 7,700 units for the and , McQueen wannabes will need to grab their tweed jackets and hop in line.

Comments (76)
4.6 litres and they can only get 315hp out of it? wow.
Posted by Niz | November 7, 2007 12:40 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 00:40
315HP just isnt enough for a sports car in this segment these days. I mean come on, the cobalt SS wouldnt hang too far behind this thing!
Posted by Andy | November 7, 2007 1:46 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 01:46
It's not that they can only get 315 HP it's that they wont bump it up when they easily could, and why is a great mystery. You'd think with the GT500 at a 500 HP that they could easily do a 400-450 HP N/A Mach or Bullitt and not cannibalize other models.
Hopefully a S197 Mach is in the works with N/A ~425 HP or something, thats the only way I could see this being justified.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 1:53 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 01:53
But hey, if its special and limited edition people who think cars are investments will line up and buy it anyway just like people lined up to by a $30k+ civic with a body kit and upgraded brakes.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 1:58 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 01:58
315hp, but most of it is from intake and rpm increase. For 30 grand the axle and suspension changes, better make some serious increases in handling and performance.
Atleast you get a little more than a body kit with your 5k. Better than what you get for 30k with the civic.
You might aswell invest in a eddie van halen replica guitar with the other 30k you have laying around.
Posted by mf | November 7, 2007 2:40 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 02:40
If you want retro well this is it. Nothing special with this mustang inside or out. It's pretty much exactly how the orginal one was, minus the poert of the engine. They should have at least threw a some sort of turbro charger in it to bump it up to at least 350hp. I mean, that would have gave it enough seperation from the Mustang GT.
Posted by SteelCity1981 | November 7, 2007 3:33 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 03:33
They should take the badge off all their cars. Without the ford logo, they might actually sell some haha!
Posted by Al V | November 7, 2007 6:17 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 06:17
Sounds like bullshit to me :). No, seriously, it looks great.
Posted by pj | November 7, 2007 6:58 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 06:58
So, they brealy tweak the engine, change out the final drive ratio, paint it a "special" color, and mark up the price to creat a sense of excusivity. woowoo. how bland. ford does it again.
or you could just buy a GT, put on a cold air intake, change out the rear differential, and get over the fact that you can't get that special green color.
this ranks right up there with the $30k mugen civic sedan.
the collectors can have this one. i thumb my nose at this vehicle.
Posted by Dan | November 7, 2007 7:08 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 07:08
Only another 5hp to go and then the Mustang GT will finally be caught up with the Camaro Z28 and Trans Am of 2002. Still no 6 speed though. And that 3.73 rear end with a 5 speed means a good bit higher rpm on the highway.
Pretty sad that GM has been using 6 speeds in its V8 RWD cars since 1992 and its 2007 and you still can't get one in a Ford without paying a ton of money. The supercharged Cobra was the exception but look how long that lasted.
Posted by David | November 7, 2007 7:22 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 07:22
It looks beauty... from a distance!
Posted by RETNIAP | November 7, 2007 7:40 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 07:40
WTF Ford? What were you thinking. This is BS! You guys did ok with the Ford GT so I don't know why your head is up your butt on the Mustang. However, If you want to make a special edition Mustang, then make it really special and here are some examples of what you need to do. First give it an independent rear suspension and lower it (take a good look at a BMW for this one). Then throw on some one of a kind rims. Next get with Audi and have them design a premium interior. Then give it a one-of-a-kind paint job. Tweak the engine to have minimum 400HP and give it either a 6 speed manual or a 6 speed DSG transmission. Serial number every car and have Mr. Ford personally sign each and every one. And lastly, give each person that buys one a nice plaque stating the authenticity of the car with the serial numbe, photo of the car, and again with Mr. Ford's signature. You do all this Ford and I'll be first in line to purchase one. Until then, I'll be taking my business somewhere else.
Posted by CS | November 7, 2007 8:46 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 08:46
Are you kidding me? Do you have the slightest idea how much that would increase the price of the vehicle, it would be right up there with the GT500. As it stands its another 3-4 grand for this bullitt package, which is very overpriced however, a fully independent rear would add thousands of dollars, a supercharger would further increase that and a 6 speed would push it up even further, now your talking GT500 price range and why would they want to jeopardize the sales of their flagship mustang.
I agree this vehicle has not been changed enough and a new rim design and at least 350hp would be great. A 6 speed i can agree with but not a DSG. Thats a transmission for people who think they can drive. Might fit in a European car but not in an American muscle car.
This car needs a revision, ill agree with that but what some people are suggesting is totally unfeasible.
Posted by Josh | November 7, 2007 10:15 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:15
Just another gas guzzling American joke of a car. If we continue at this rate we'll have to occupy Iran to so we can have enough gasoline for our hummers and expeditions. When is the American government going to wake up and stop this horsepower race? Does a Honda Accord need 268hp?? I mean cmon, this country is run by Idiots or AN Idiot I should say.
Posted by jfelano | November 7, 2007 10:16 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:16
Maybe you're alright driving a 4 cylinder vehicle with 150 hp and a 0-60 of 10 seconds but some people aren't. People want more horsepower these days and thats exactly what the auto industry is giving.
The American government will never step in. They have a thousand more important issues and don't care about the environment.
Posted by Josh | November 7, 2007 10:21 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:21
Wow, not much of an improvement for that extra few grand. Anyone could do the same on a stock GT with 3.73 gears, some stick on badges, an aftermarket grill, shift knob, and a cone filter/tune. You'd probably end up with a more aggressive tune and more HP than the Bullitt too.
Posted by D | November 7, 2007 10:25 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:25
I'm just saying if you are going to build a special edition Mustang, make it special. Don't just throw or delete a couple of trim pieces, give it a minor tweak and call it special edition. Even if it did cost thousands more, it's not meant for the masses. You have the normal GT for that. A DSG transmission would be a viable option for the Mustang. The Bugatti Veyron uses it, Audi's and VW's use it. My car has one and it is one sweet transmission. I was just saying that Ford should let you decide between a manual and an automatic and in my opinion, the DSG is the way to go.
Posted by CS | November 7, 2007 10:29 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:29
This country is run by people who work, earn money, and are free to spend that money on whatever they want and it needs to stay that way.
If you feel that government should be all powerful and step in and control peoples every decision, perhaps you should consider a political career in Cuba or participate in the communist revolution occurring now in Venezuela. It does not belong in the United States.
Or you can just move to Britain. The people there are fond of doing only what the government says they can do.
In short, mind your own business. If you don't like this car, don't buy it. Unlike you who think it's ok to take this car (or the choice it provides) from others by force because you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to get one.
And 315 HP is hardly gas guzzling. You should see how my gas gauge is inversely connected to my boost gauge. You'd have an heart attack. I'm paying for the gas as gas prices climb and climb. Why do you care?
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 10:36 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:36
You should be lucky you have the regulations we do have only because most of us are reasonable and able to tolerate your incremental progressivism crap thinking it is invisible.
All it would take is 1 million letters of congress on an election year from automotive enthusiasts and CAFE and friends would vanish.
This country is controlled by the people, not the government.
And when "the people" consists mostly of totalitarian communists like you that want to control personal facets of my life, thats when the bullets start flying.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 10:40 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:40
CS: problem with that is cars like (Mustang in general, not this Bullitt) this are made:
a) for mainstream people looking for a cheap thrill for $20k. If a Mazdaspeed 3 or an Integra doesn't have a 25 speed DSG, don't expect to see it in a Mustang. The Mustang and Miata are not Veyrons. They aren't even G35s. Again, a common trend of wanting everything a Veyron has in a $15-30k car otherwise it's crap. "zomg that Civic or Neon gets .0001g less skidpad than an Enzo, it sucks!"
b) for enthusiasts who don't want extra gizmos. I know myself, I would prefer a Ferrari with a standard slotted shift gate because it's a classic Ferrari icon, I don't care that the F1 paddle shift is superior. This car is made for the classic American pony car market.
The people that are complaining about stuff like DSG wouldn't but this car if it DID have DSG. The people who will buy this car don't care about DSG.
But options are always a nice thing to have for people willing to experiment.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 10:52 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:52
In a day of global warming and high gas prices, do we really need an over powered car?
Posted by TomLeeM/BigWarpGuy | November 7, 2007 10:57 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 10:57
For run of the mill mustangs, a standard auto or 5 speed is just fine. What I'm saying is for a limited or special edition car that everyone knows will be more expensive, just throw in some nice options such as either a 6-speed for the racers for a DSG for the people that can't shift a manual such as someone that lost their feet from an IED. Granted it will cost more, but if you don't want to pay, then just buy a standard Mustang.
Posted by CS | November 7, 2007 11:06 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 11:06
This isn't really a special edition though that claims to introduce any new or technologically advanced features. It's just a GT with $10 worth of accessories.
Just a limited edition with a sticker to make a quick buck. Like the PT Looser, er Cruiser... when was the last time you saw one that WASN'T "Limited Edition" ?
The latest trend of capitalizing on peoples desire to one up the Jones'. Stick "limited edition" on anything and people will flock to it if only because they think they might have something, anything, that someone else wont'
PS3 is a perfect example. Nobody actually wanted a PS3. They just didn't want someone else to have a popular coveted something that they didn't have. Which created an artificial demand and self fulfilling prophecy.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 11:20 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 11:20
Loser* (I hate that mistake)
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 11:33 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 11:33
The 2009 Camaro is launching with the L92 V8, a 6.2 liter with 362 hp. Most likely the LS3 will be offered as an upgrade and that will have 430 hp.
The Dodge Challenger, as far as we know, will use the 6.1L Hemi with 425 hp. A supercharged version with over 500hp is not too far-fetched.
But Ford delivers a 315hp Mustang now? If the Big Three wanted to re-live the muscle car days and make old people once again say "Is that all the power that Ford's got?" then this is how to do it. Or make their currently small audience chuckle once more that only ladies drive Mustangs.
But in the 21st century, the few young buyers who would go for a muscle car can clearly see more power on the horizon. And this current Mustang isn't getting that spectacular of real-world mileage, so no one is staying there for that reason.
The 2009 Mustang better be all new with far more power. If they just use smarter cams, injection setup (direct injection please!), and possibly DOHC (they already do with the GT500), then they could wring potentially 368 hp out of the 4.6L. Wouldn't even need to modify the block that badly. The 5.4L V8 in the GT500 is just a Triton truck engine with DOHC and supercharger, so its not to unlikely they might try this.
That will beat the Camaro's numbers with the 6.2L
Then they just keep offering the GT500 (maybe lower the price some to make it competitive with the Challenger and LS3 Camaro) and zing, competitive muscle car line up.
Posted by Allen | November 7, 2007 11:36 AM
Posted on November 7, 2007 11:36
Allen:
The current 4.6L can make 400 HP easy in N/A form. Just look what the Mach 1 does with minor tweaks and no power adders. Fully built N/A race monsters are making 600-800 HP without nitrous or forced induction.
Little things like a $25 air filter and a CFD tested (computational fluid dynamics) properly bent intake elbow made out of a $10 segment of plastic or aluminum pipe that recovers 25 HP lost through induction turbulence should be standard on a $30,000 car.
The 4.6 definately needs DOHC or even the SOHC 3V with two intake valves works great. Two valves is fine for a 7.0L engine, but not for the small restrictive bore of a 4.6L engine. Two valves is not efficient use of valve space when combustion chamber area is at a premium.
In an age where 4 door economy family sedans like Altimas and Camrys and Malibus have almost 300 HP from a 3.5L V6, a 315HP 4.6L V8 is an absolutely joke and a disgrace to the muscle car enthusiast. The regular non muscle car economy hair dresser V6 mustang should at least be on par with a Camry in the performance department.
Bring back John Colletti and revive SVT to manage the entire Mustang line...
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 12:00 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 12:00
And a supercharged 6.1 is more likely to put out 650 HP with the blower not even moving.
But they probably will purposely not do that, because it would threaten Corvette and Viper sales.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 12:05 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 12:05
Reason must be the rear axle which is just bad in all the ways
Posted by steven | November 7, 2007 12:46 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 12:46
More SHIT form FORD
The JAPS are laughing there ass off
Americans buy this crap
Makes you think how they lost the war ?
Posted by More SHIT form FORD | November 7, 2007 1:33 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 13:33
More SHIT form FORD
The JAPS are laughing there ass off
Americans buy this crap
Makes you think how they lost the war ?
Posted by More SHIT form FORD | November 7, 2007 1:33 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 13:33
If you have nothing constructive to say, don't bother posting.
If you feel it's shit, share why you think it's shit like everyone else has. And do it in a way that makes you look like you have credibility to criticize something you know something about. Don't just regurgitate the same pre-canned sneers of magazines and automotive shows that are going to be biased with their own national pride and naturally take stabs at everyone else.
Stop with the mindless America bash fest. It makes you look like a envious snob.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 1:48 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 13:48
BTW Ford shit is one of the top selling brands in Europe and in Japan they drive around in imported Mustang shit and dress up like Elvis.
The Japanese laugh that we buy their bland economy cars while they take all our (and their), cool cars.
nihon ni ryokou o shita?
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 1:59 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 13:59
If it was up to me, I'd fork out the extra $3k and get a 135i, or wait a while for Hyundai to release their V8 RWD Coupe.
Posted by Gary | November 7, 2007 2:06 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 14:06
It would be cool if Ford made a limited edition REAL retro rather than a half-baked attempt at a retro-inspired 2007 car.
I mean EXACTLY like the car from the 60's down to every nut and bolt. No computers, airbags, CD players, engine management etc.
I guess it would handle like shit compared to todays cars though. Oh wait... even modern Mustangs all still have live-beam suspensions so I guess no change there.
Posted by Niz | November 7, 2007 2:19 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 14:19
Niz:
You'd have to eliminate all the soccer moms and liberal special interest groups that lobby for that stuff and make it mandated. The busy nosy bodies that think they know better than you do and say you should have air bags in your car whether you want them or not.
I can understand laws requiring proper tires that might affect someone else if I lose control because I'm running around in the rain with drag slicks... but air bags don't have an effect on any innocent third party. I can understand government & consumer watchgroups recomending you purchase vehicles with air bags for your safety, and requring that manufacturers disclose all saftey equipment on the window sticker, as long as they didn't force adopting those things unless they did so on their own will because thats what customers wanted.
But who is someone else to say that I have no choice to have airbags in *my* car that *I* am paying for?
People just need to live their own lives and quit forcing their idealistic bullshit on everyone else via 10000000000 laws regulating how we take a dump.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 3:01 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 15:01
How negative can car lovers be? Think back to when you first heard the growl of a muscle car! This car is awesome, I would easily drive it if I had the money. Not every car is supposed to be 500+ HP. I mean as much as I love hearing about ZO6's losing their back end in 1st and 2nd..... I do agree a little more would be nice, but 315 aint bad. And I think they got the torque right with 325 lb-ft. Don't tell me when a Bullitt pulls up next to you in your Civic or Camry that youre not jealous. I dont care if you do the 1/4 mile half a second quicker, the Mustang is and will always be one of the coolest cars ever made, and the Bullitt only makes it better!
Posted by Will | November 7, 2007 3:08 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 15:08
CHRIS, maybe you should join the ARMY and fight for you right to waste oil. Since you believe we should be able to do whatever we want regardless of the environment or whether it leads (and it will) to a world war.
The whole problem with this country is they think they should be able to do whatever they want. The government if they had any brains at all would say "Hey, you need to cut your oil consumption in half on each automobile produced after 2007, our oil dependece would decrease dramatically. However people like you with no brains, cant figure this out. Join the Bush club.
Posted by jfelano | November 7, 2007 3:18 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 15:18
Chris:
I agree with you that when the average sport-sedan has 300 hp (and just as much torque), Ford really needs to do some work on their engine. I laughed my ass off once in the summer of 2006 when I saw a Mustang driver and 350z driver drag from one stop light to the next. The 350z left the Mustang in the dust after the first half of the race or so.
think you are giving to much credit to aftermarket parts though.
For the Bullitt, Ford added new exhaust, rear differential and an open-airbox intake, and they are no where near 400hp. The catayltic converter robs most performance on modern cars, so without a much larger intake and exhaust system, and higher-flowing cats, I've never seen big power increases with natural aspiration on new cars. I laugh at the guys at the G8boards who say a cat-back exhaust and open-air box with a engine re-tune will net 50hp. Maybe a retune will net 20-30. Cat-Back shouldn't net anything: the exhaust is still limited by the catalytic converter and all the plumbing before it. Its like saying that if a 10 foot pipe flows 30 cubic feet of water a minute and then you make the last 1/3rd of its twice as large, it would flow more. No, its still going to flow 30 cubic feet a minute. Maybe if you turned up the pressure some (new intake setup in a car for example) you may flow another foot or two. But nothing huge.
Thats why whenever I work on any engines that will hit the streets (and need to be emmissions certified) I always try and go for the cams and then the engines computer. If we have time, money or both, then we add higher-flowing catalytic converters and new exhausts and intakes.
I've mentioned that to you before, haven't I? That I've done engine work before? I know what these things can do Chris. I've seen 90hp Honda 4 cylinders from the early 90s Civics make 290hp at the wheels without forced induction, on pump gas. It was a little bit rough to drive on the streets I bet, with a cam setup that aggressive, but it does it.
Posted by Allen | November 7, 2007 3:22 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 15:22
@allen
What motor was it that went from 90 to 290 without fi or nos?
Posted by mf | November 7, 2007 3:54 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 15:54
Allen:
Nope never mentioned it before. Nothing at all strange about a 4 cyl making 290 HP. You must be talking about a D15 or something from a CRX? What I can't stand are people that have never done anything like that who think you can get 800 HP out of a 1.8L engine with no compromises (such as having to be your own gas station with leaded race gas, etc)
I have a personal fondness for the 3SGTE. GT35R turbo with a Motec M4 or AEM and some other goodies, and damn. Meanest deepest 4 cyl I've ever heard, sounds like a cammed chainsaw on nitrous ready to tear into something. I want one for my Camry some day, it's a straight drop in replacement for the 5SFE (same block casting) save for some custom brackets and harness work.
The thing I just wish people kept in mind before making blanket statements about displacement being somehow antiquated is that, given your example you can take a 90 HP engine and get 290 HP out of it. You can also take a piss poor engine tune like this one making 315 HP and get a whole lot more out of it as well.
Fun stuff to play with, wringing all you can out of a smaller engine with half the parts. But like you said when you do it with a smaller engine, you make many compromises that make it harder to live with on the street than if you just took a bigger engine and didn't have to tune so aggressively. Thats the reason Honda's more upper class bigger cars have the bigger torquey K serious engines instead of the B series.
jfelano:
People doing whatever they want, AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T INFRINGING ON OTHERS RIGHT TO DO THE SAME, isn't what causes conflicts.
It's people crossing the line and meddling in other peoples affairs that cause conflicts as the defending side fights back to maintain their right to do things the way THEY choose.
That goes for people, governments, nations, 'spreading democracy', crusades, Islamic conquest, whatever.
My driving a Cobra and you driving a Prius and both of us paying some rich land owner in the Middle East for oil who enjoys his easy buck, aren't causing any conflicts. Unaccountable world leaders and clashing political and religious interests are.
Someone like you saying that I should be forced to drive a Prius because thats what you think, is what causes conflict, because I will fight people like you in order to keep the car I like and retain the ability to make my own choices.
And don't even get me started on the whole global warming thing. You'll have just as much luck in convincing me there is an invisible man that lives in the sky watching me every day. You can talk about global warming theories proposed by scared fear mongering lambs all you want, but more absurd things such as gods pulling the sun into the sky via chariots where equally serious theories in their time...
Go take your prozac and tell yourself "everything is going to be ok" 10 times. And learn something about economics, politics, and sociology before you jumping to simplified cause and effect conclusions.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 4:04 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 16:04
The Bullitt package is an homage to the original in the movie. The paint, rather unadorned bodywork, and blacked out grill were character features of the original. Same goes with the Torq-Thrust wheels. The package is designed to mimic that and not to be the king of all Mustangs. I like the look myself, but would not spend the money on the package.However, I am sure avid Mustang loyalists will. I follow the philosophy that cars are meant to be driven and not stored in a garage. Trust me, 315hp is more than enough for the average driver. If you want more, the aftermarket and qualified engine tuners (like Allen above) can wake up the engine.
Posted by longdxcommuter | November 7, 2007 4:18 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 16:18
The wheels are too big. Other than that, it's basically perfect. The chase scene in Bullit against that similarly understated but sinister 69 charger with the king of all hemis of the time in it, is just the coolest movie scene in history.
I'm only in my 20s, but I would totally buy this car just for how cool that originial mustang driven by steve mcqueen was -- it'll probably always live in my mind as the coolest car I've ever seen.
Posted by 2ms | November 7, 2007 4:23 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 16:23
jfelano:
I must apologize, you're just doing what the liberal media and education system programmed you to do and don't know any better.
However that won't be an excuse when my government is figuratively going door to door taking my property because people like you supported banning and confiscating certain objects you didn't want anyone else to have, and you will be my enemy when the conflict ensues.
I'd personally prefer to just live and let live but I will defend what is mine at all costs.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 4:24 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 16:24
longdxcommuter:
They sure are charging a price that would indicate it would be "King of Mustangs" though aren't they. For reference the '03 Cobra was just barely north of $30k MSRP when it debuted and is far FAR superior to this offering.
If Bullitt is just a trim package, it should be just that: a $500 trim package option available on any Mustang.
This "limited edition" thing is just a marketing ploy similar to car adds; "act now you'll never see this offer again!!" and used to justify the higher price due to the self fulfilling prophecy phenomenon with anything with "limited edition" when it comes to the simple brained short attention span consumers lost in the rush to get something exclusive.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 4:32 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 16:32
I can't wait for the next Mach 1 myself. Have never been into the GT or the Bullitt.
Even though I have a Cobra and not a Mach, I appreciate the Mach, even with a bit of envy, for its definitive characteristics that include completely different trim touches that set the Mach aside all on it's own compared to V6, GT, and Cobras. Seats, instrument cluster, C pillars, front facia chin, the shaker scoop, Mach wheel pattern, all exclusive to the Mach 1 and not replicated on any other Mustang line (quarter scoops are shared with the Cobra however).
But it also has substantial tangible performance upgrades like the DOHC heads, a healthy (but still low for that engines potential) power increase (from 260 to 305 for the 2003 GT vs. Mach), upgraded Brembo brakes and suspension, etc.
I would expect a S197 platform Mach to be a MINIMUM of 375 HP with a N/A 4.6 and would prefer to see it break the 400 HP mark for the psychological factor. It would still be 100 HP less than the GT500 and thus not self-competition. Besides the people who don't have a GT500 already probably aren't going to get one, but they would definately buy a Mach 1 for half the price with zero markup and plenty on the lot to pick from with no waiting list.
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 4:53 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 16:53
@Chris:
I wholeheartedly agree. This should be a trim package. I usually make a point not to buy anything that has the words "limited" or "commerative" in it. So far, that has served me well.
Posted by longdxcommuter | November 7, 2007 5:05 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 17:05
Oh yeah they also have the GT350 to deal with in addition to the Mach 1.
If the Bullitt had 400 HP it would be very hard to position two other cars in between 400 and 500 HP and be able to differentiate them and attach associated prices.
Probably the reason the Bullitt is staying so close to the GT, as those two cars have to not only fit between this one and the GT500, but also retain a significant separation in power amongst themselves.
Marketing and PR at its finest -_-;;
Posted by Chris | November 7, 2007 5:57 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 17:57
Don't worry guys.
Ford Australia offer 6 Speed Transmissions and Independent Rear Suspension on their V8 Cars.
This will soon flow over to the Mustang.
fpv.c o m.a u/media/34501/Cobraflyer.pdf
Posted by Peanut | November 7, 2007 6:29 PM
Posted on November 7, 2007 18:29
Yeah quite the joke. The old bullitt bumped HP from 260 to 305, that was worth shelling out some money for. Ford's bending the American public over and t bagging us by selling this thing with a CAI kit and some gears. They mus thave had some extra rear ends from the GT500's sitting around and said heres a quick way to earn a buck! The new Infiniti G37 V6 makes 15hp more than this. What a crock!
Posted by Carnut57 | November 9, 2007 9:34 AM
Posted on November 9, 2007 09:34
Um, the old Bullit was 265 horse. It was just a 2V 4.6 with a different intake manifold and possibly an underdrive pulley. You are thinking of the Mach I with the 4V 4.6 that was rated at 305 horsepower.
Funny that in Bullit the 'stang could not get away from the Charger worth a shit- hope the hoods in the new movie don't drive the SRT8 version, or Brad Pitt will need lojack to find them.
Posted by J.D | November 10, 2007 7:18 AM
Posted on November 10, 2007 07:18
ford sells a dohc 5l that makes 400hp on premium. ford sells cams that will boost it up to 450hp n/a. steeda has stuff to crest 375 n/a without much effort. the idea of the bullit is the give the owner a modern interpretation of an old muscle car but with better handling than a current one. buy a cai, and either a new rearend with the work done or have it done, get the it tuned (you will need to since it will mess up the speedo) and then get lower springs, shock and struts.install it yourself and see how long it takes and how much the parts costs or have some else do it. throw in a paint job thats not on the standard car. 5k is a friggin deal so get over it. as for performance, where are any of the other factory cars racing the factory mustangs?
as for the cobalt ss not hanging too far behind it, its still behind it. dont argue about you can mod this to get it to stay with it, because you can mod the stang to then beat it again.
Posted by nate | November 11, 2007 5:48 PM
Posted on November 11, 2007 17:48
"Stock Mustang GT shocks and struts were swapped out for new units that allowed engineers to dial in a more aggressive driving dynamic while still maintaining the outstanding ride and balance of the base Mustang GT. A tower-to-tower brace designed specifically for the Bullitt lends additional torsional and lateral stiffness to the chassis for improved cornering and holds a unique serial number for each Bullitt."
serial number to make it special. huh i guess people dont really read this stuff, they just see what it says at the top and then post something right away. read it all before you comment.
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