The new Sequoia is essentially a Tundra SUV. The front end and interior of the Sequoia take many styling cues (if not all) from the Tundra pickup. The Sequoia also gets the new 5.7L V8 with a six-speed automatic as an option. One trait that the SUV does not share with the Tundra is its independent rear suspension, which should help smooth out the ride.
The all-new Sequoia will be offered in three versions (SR5, Limited and Platinum) when it launches in December. A flex-fuel Sequoia will be released in Fall 2008.
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PRESS RELEASE:
TOYOTA UNVEILS ALL-NEW 2008 SEQUOIA AT 2007 LOS ANGELES AUTO SHOW
LOS ANGELES, Calif., Nov. 14, 2007 - - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS) U.S.A, Inc., unveiled the second-generation Sequoia full-size sport utility vehicle at a press conference today at the 2007 Los Angeles Auto Show. Sequoia is completely new for 2008, with a new body, a new interior, a new chassis, an available new 5.7L V8 engine/six-speed transmission combination and an increased focus on efficiency, performance and driver/passenger comfort.
Since the Sequoia was introduced in 2000, the world has changed. With both gasoline prices and environmental concerns on the rise, Toyota's engineers and designers have taken steps to increase not just the 2008 Sequoia's performance and comfort, but also its efficiency and environmental awareness.
To that end, the Sequoia is equipped with an available powerful new 5.7L V8 engine that generates excellent fuel efficiency and very low emissions.
An all-new platform now provides exterior dimensions that are competitive with other vehicles in the Sequoia's class. Inside, highly efficient packaging gives the new Sequoia a very roomy cabin and a capacious luggage space.
In his efforts to be sure he got the 2008 Sequoia right, Chief Engineer Motoharu Araya immersed himself in American culture for two-and-a-half years as he began his design brief for the Sequoia. He even went so far as to live for a time with an American family that owned a fullsize SUV so that he could better understand the way SUV users relate to their vehicles. He also used the Internet to circulate a questionnaire so that he could acquire detailed information about how Americans use their SUVs and what their preferences are, right down to the side of the vehicle on which drivers prefer their fuel fillers to be located. The result is a class-leading vehicle with the efficiency, performance, comfort and convenience that SUV buyers want.
Engines and Transmissions
An available new DOHC 5.7L V8 engine enables the 2008 Sequoia to provide acceleration performance that is among the leaders in its class, especially while towing. Sequoia engineers developed the new engine to produce 381 hp, one of the highest outputs in this vehicle class. This engine, which is ULEV-II compliant, uses four valves per cylinder and Dual Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) to produce 401 lb-ft of torque.
Dual VVT-i continually alters the phase of each camshaft by operating the oil-control valve and controlling oil pressure on the advance/retard chamber of the VVT-i cam pulley through signals from the engine control computer. It produces optimized valve timing, contributing to higher output and increased efficiency.
Compact pentroof combustion chambers and high-strength pistons that are resin-coated to reduce friction, low-tension piston rings and a low-friction valve train that uses roller rocker arms also are important features of this engine, as is an Acoustic Control Induction System that changes the length of the intake manifold runners based on engine speed and throttle opening. The exhaust system, constructed of stainless steel, uses a valve in the main muffler to alter exhaust flow, reduce exhaust noise and improve performance. It also employs four catalytic converters – two for cold starts and two main.
As a result, the 2008 Sequoia provides the acceleration desired by users and an available towing capacity of 10,000 lbs. In addition to the available 5.7L V8 engine, the 4.7L iForce V8 continues to be offered as standard.
A smooth-shifting electronically controlled five-speed automatic ECT (Electronically Controlled Transmission) is mated to the standard 4.7L V8, while a new six-speed ECT automatic is part of the powertrain package when the available 5.7L V8 is selected.
This transmission benefits from hydraulic pressures that are very carefully controlled for smoother shifts, and from highly accurate gear-tooth surfaces that help ensure low noise levels. A Tow/Haul mode that extends use of the lower gear ratios also is part of this transmission's package.
Both transmissions are controlled by floor-mounted shifters and are equipped with torque converters that use Toyota's flexible lock-up control for enhanced fuel efficiency, and both transmissions can be shifted sequentially.
Additionally, the six-speed transmission's torque converter will lock up in fourth and fifth gear, as well as in sixth gear.
On four-wheel-drive models, a two-speed transfer case that contains a lockable Torsen limited-slip differential is used to transmit power to both the front and rear wheels. Interestingly, this transfer case, with its 1:1 high-range gear ratio and its 2.618:1 low-range gear ratio, uses a durable six-gear planetary ring instead of the more usual four-gear ring. The transfer case is shifted electronically via a rotary knob within easy reach of the driver, and it locks with the push of a button. High-capacity universal joints are used in the drive line to accommodate the available power of the engines.
The front and rear differentials are larger for added strength and measure 8.7 inches in diameter (front) and 10.0 inches (rear). The standard differential ratio is 3.909:1, with an optional 4.3:1 ratio available as part of Sequoia's towing package.
Chassis and Suspension
To improve ride comfort and overall vehicle dynamics, the 2008 Sequoia was given an all-new platform that features independent suspension at both front and rear. This new suspension not only provides unparalleled ride, handling and straight-line stability, but it also equips Sequoia with an available towing capacity of 10,000 lbs which puts Sequoia among the leaders in its class.
To provide a vehicle that will not fatigue its driver or passengers even on very long trips, Sequoia engineers focused on improved ride comfort and quietness, and on enhanced straight-line stability.
The new independent suspension employs upper and lower A-arms at each wheel, tubular shock absorbers, coil springs and a hollow tubular antiroll bar. It provides not only improved chassis dynamics thanks to reduced unsprung weight, but also a turning radius of about 19 feet, the tightest in Sequoia's class. Additionally, increased suspension travel and a newly developed upper front shock-absorber support and lower bushing help enhance ride quality.
An available air suspension package and Active Variable Suspension (AVS), with settings for comfort, normal and sport, improves the ride comfort and augments the Sequoia's ability to tow and haul heavy loads while maintaining an appropriate ride height and chassis attitude.
Larger tires and wheels were adopted to complete the chassis equation. Standard are 275/65R18 tires and 18-inch aluminum wheels, while 275/55R20 tires and specially designed 20-inch aluminum wheels are available.
Inside those wheels, Sequoia uses 13.9-inch ventilated disc brakes up front and 13.6-inch ventilated disc brakes at the rear. To improve braking performance and fade resistance, calipers with four opposed pistons – two per side – are used for the front brakes. The Anti-lock Braking System is equipped with EBD (Electronic Brake-force Distribution) and Brake Assist.
Design and Styling
Working from a design theme articulated as "Rugged and Advanced," engineers gave the 2008 Sequoia a new, larger body size and a tough new look.
Sequoia's overall length, width and height are increased, its wheelbase lengthened and its front and rear track is widened. Front and rear overhang, meanwhile, is reduced.
Larger headlamps, with available headlamp washers, were adopted, as were large side-view mirrors that are available with power retraction, automatic glare-resistance, puddle lamps, turn-signal lamps, position memory and reverse-linked tilt functions.
This new design achieves a drag coefficient of 0.35, which means the vehicle offers exceptional aerodynamic characteristics and low wind-noise. The vehicle's mirrors, wipers, A-pillar and roof header are shaped to maximize aerodynamic efficiency and minimize wind noise.
The Sequoia's underside, meanwhile, also is optimized to reduce drag and wind noise, and to help improve directional stability.
Interior and Comfort
A primary design goal was to ensure that the 2008 Sequoia is useful and user-friendly and its driver and passengers, regardless of size and build, have sufficient space to ride in comfort. To that end, the Sequoia's cabin interior is longer, wider and taller than the previous Sequoia. Indeed, space sufficient to comfortably accommodate people well above normal height is available in each of Sequoia's eight seats.
Additionally, the second-row seat is equipped with a sliding-type seat adjuster that allows the seat to be adjusted for added comfort when the number of passengers is limited. For the third-row seat, an advanced seat-cushion linkage reclining mechanism is adopted that elevates rear passenger comfort to new levels.
Designers took special care to create comfortable, spacious seats in all positions. To help achieve this goal, a new seat framework, with increased seat width, was adopted. The driver's seat is standard-equipped with power lumbar support, and available as an option on the front passenger seat. Seat heaters are available for the driver seat and front passenger seat.
The second-row seats are split 40:20:40, and separate captain's seats are available. The second-row seat is equipped with a seat-slide mechanism that offers an adjustment range of 5.9 inches.
This seat can also be folded down flat and uses an easy-slide action to allow passenger access to the third-row seat. A seat heater is standard with the Platinum grade, and child-seat restraints for the second row are standard on all grades.
The third-row seat is split 60:40, and it also has a seatback reclining mechanism. It too can be easily folded flat.
The interior surrounding these seats is a model of comfort, safety and efficiency and is filled with thoughtful details. For example, the rear-view mirror incorporates an automatic electrochromic function, and also incorporates a compass, a map lamp and garage-door-opener functions. Other thoughtful features include automatic up-and-down and jam protection for the front power windows, a back-door power window with automatic up-and-down, jam protection, and an available power back door equipped with an easy-closer and remote-control functions. An illuminated entry system is standard.
For the dash, designers incorporated a modular instrument panel structure and they endowed it, and other interior surfaces, with a finish and feel worthy of comparison with similar surfaces in the finest luxury cars. Rings around Sequoia's Optitron gauges, and the climate control knobs, are chrome colored, and panels on the dash are silver metallic.
A newly designed four-spoke steering wheel contains controls for the Sequoia's air conditioning system, Bluetooth®-capable phones and other functions. It is connected to a newly developed steering column with a floating intermediate shaft that helps enhance steering feel and minimize noise and vibration. This steering column offers both tilt and telescopic functions, and a powered memory feature is available.
The 2008 Sequoia offers automatic air-conditioning with solar sensors and automatic left and right independent temperature controls. Rear air conditioning also is part of the package. This three-zone system uses a newly developed multi-layer filter to ensure that air brought into the passenger cabin is as free from dust, pollen and other contaminants as possible.
To help keep driver and passengers entertained, the Sequoia's audio system is improved and speaker placement is optimized. An AM/FM/CD sound system with eight speakers is standard for SR5. Also available is a 660-watt JBL Synthesis 14-speaker system. The JBL systems are Bluetooth-compatible and are capable of receiving XM Satellite radio with the appropriately installed equipment and service subscription. Both are equipped with MP3 ports. A new-generation navigation system with a new menu screen and an improved seven-inch display is available for 2008.
To enhance the travel experience for passengers in the second- and third-row seats, a Rear Seat Entertainment system with a DVD player and nine-inch display is available.
The same efficient packaging that allows class-leading interior comfort, allows hauling pieces up to 11 feet in length.
Throughout, there are eight extra-large cup holders and eight bottle holders, and designers also took steps to enhance Sequoia's availability of storage spaces. For instance, the glove box now measures 9.5 liters, and the second-row console box will hold 12 CDs or four DVD cases.
For the seating surfaces, both leather and an easy-to-clean fabric are available. Three interior colors are available, one of which is new. The new one is Red Rock/Black, available only in the Platinum grade, while the others are Gray and Sand Beige.
Safety
The 2008 Sequoia employs active and passive safety features to help provide protection for vehicle occupants. Sequoia is equipped with Toyota's STAR Safety System, which includes VSC (Vehicle Stability Control), and TRAC (Traction Control) (2WD models) or A-TRAC (Active-Traction Control) (4WD models), ABS (antilock braking) with EBD (electronic brake force distribution) and Brake Assist.
Sequoia's collision safety performance is enhanced by driver and passenger seat-mounted side- and side- curtain airbags that are included as standard equipment; and roll-sensing side curtain airbags that extend from the front seat to the third-row seat.
Standard Features and Options
The 2008 Sequoia is available in three grades – SR5, Limited and Platinum.
The list of standard items on the SR5 and Limited grades, includes the 276 hp 4.7L V8 engine and automatic transmission, Toyota's STAR Safety System, Electronic Brake Distribution with Brake Assist, side curtain airbag with rollover sensor, engine immobilizer with alarm, direct tire pressure monitoring system, seating for eight passengers, eight-way manually adjustable driver's seat, four-way manually adjustable front passenger's seat, fold-flat feature for second- and third-row seats, auto tri-zone air conditioning, power windows, locks, back window, keyless entry, AM/FM/CD eight-speaker audio system with a mini-plug for iPod compatibility, rear wiper and defogger, tilt/telescope steering wheel, cruise control, spare tire and mud guards.
To that, the Limited grade adds front and rear parking sonar, fog lamps, heated leather-trimmed seats, 10-way-adjustable driver's seat, leather-trimmed steering wheel and gear shift knob, Optitron gauges, multi-information display, electrochromatic rear-view mirror, roof rack, running boards and JBL Synthesis audio system with Bluetooth capability.
The Platinum grade includes all of the above, and also adds the 5.7L V8 engine and six-speed transmission, 20-inch diamond cut-finish alloy wheels, rear load-leveling air suspension, power seat memory package, heated and air-conditioned front seats (driver and first-row passenger), second-row heated seats, rear spoiler, power back door, sunroof, headlamp cleaner, and navigation system with a backup camera.
A wide range of options is available on the SR5 and Limited Grades, including the 5.7L V8 engine and six-speed transmission, four-wheel drive, a towing package, rear-seat entertainment system, heated leather-trimmed seat packages, load-leveling rear air suspension, sunroof, 20-inch alloy wheels, power back door, and more. Laser cruise control is an option exclusive to the Platinum grade.
Interesting Details
The Sequoia's designers and engineers went to extraordinary lengths to make sure the vehicle is as comfortable to ride in and convenient to use as possible. As an example of the conveniences they specified, an available electrically driven full-flat tilting mechanism was developed for the third-row seat. When the seat is folded into its flat position, large baggage or cargo can be loaded without removing the seat.
Every small detail was carefully planned in the effort to ensure concerns of quality were attended to. For instance, engineers worked to improve the operational feel of the Sequoia's switches. They specified large door handles that would be easy to use, and located the handles at an optimum height.
Closing the back door requires less force than was required on previous models, and the back-door glass can be opened and closed for easy loading or ventilation with the turn of a key. Also included are handy hooks in the cargo section from which to hang grocery bags.
The rear door opening angle is 10 degrees wider than the previous model, providing easier passenger ingress/egress and child seat installation.
An intuitive parking assist system is optionally available. This uses sensors and an audible warning to alert the driver of the position of solid objects, and their distance from the vehicle.
As a final interesting touch, the Sequoia's towing hitch is integrated into the frame as a single unit.
Warranty
Toyota's 36-month/36,000 mile new-vehicle limited warranty applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60 months/60,000 miles and corrosion perforation for 60 months with no mileage limitations.

Comments (31)
Wow, that thing is ridiculously large. I can't WAIT for gas to hit $5 a gallon. Those things are utterly unnecessary for ANY application.
Also, why is it that practically 2/3 of the posts on here are about SUVs?
Posted by Polynikes | November 14, 2007 11:29 PM
Posted on November 14, 2007 23:29
Searching for a reason to buy this hideous beast instead of a suburban or tahoe....nope, no reasons.
Posted by Carter | November 14, 2007 11:40 PM
Posted on November 14, 2007 23:40
I agree...except you'll have the thugs and rapper wanna-bes buying them to stick 24+" wheels on and all the bling they can find...and then complain when they go broke.
Posted by Mike | November 14, 2007 11:50 PM
Posted on November 14, 2007 23:50
Eh, looks like the Tundra front end is going to get ported around. Liked it on the Tundra, not to many other places.
As to the need of this: I agree, 99% of American drivers do not need the Sequoia. I love it though when some soccer mom with two kids claims she does because she needs to put soccer gear in the car with the kids. A Accord or Camry easily fits that bill: park it in the parking lot instead of on the grass, and walk your fat ass to the field bitch!
Posted by Allen | November 15, 2007 12:59 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 00:59
I'm disappointed. A vehicle this large should have a Jetway as standard equipment.
Posted by Jim | November 15, 2007 12:59 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 00:59
I like it. Of course it has the front end of a Tundra, exactly like the previous generation. Why would they change that? I think it looks pretty good for a big car, better than the GMC Yukon/Expedition.
If I had a boat like that in the picture, I'd buy this one. Heck, I can even buy a trailer for my bikes...but I never needed one really...hehe.
Wife is crazy for a boat, but I'd prefer to spend the weekends riding my bike...But in 10 years time I can see me buying this thing.
Gas is still cheap in the US. If you can buy this truck, I don't see how the US gas price is a more than an annoyance.
Stop complaining, take a look at what the British are paying...I've heard in south america they pay like 2 dollars for one litre!! That's 7.6 dollars a gallon! (3.8 litre). I'd say we're lucky, let's enjoy! Eventually the gas prices will go down anyway, and I bet pretty soon we'll find lots of gas in Alaska. Lift the ban on refineries close to urban centre and half of the problem (production) is solved.
Posted by Sphere | November 15, 2007 1:26 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 01:26
That is a huge SUV. Anyone else notice the torque rating for this? 401lbs is no joke, I bet this thing can move. Either way, it does have a Toyota engine with a new dual vvti system on it, so chances are it's going to be more fuel efficient than it's American counterparts(I doubt any other Japanese manufacturer is going to make something this big). Also, this is kind of a weird move from Toyota, as their Landcruiser was typically the largest vehicle in the lineup until late.
If there is a choice between this and a Suburban or Tahoe, efinitely choose this. Despite it's big looks, it seems more planted and sturdy, and less likely to roll over on a 15degree incline turn... or have it's tires catch on fire or blow up or whatever...
Posted by Jason | November 15, 2007 6:56 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 06:56
this thing makes me want to say:
"i need more butter for my mayonnaise! supersize me while you're at it! i'll never fill this with cargo or tow with it! i just plan to be oblivious behind the wheel while on my cell phone and run people off the road with my over inflated sense of self importance!"
:::leaves desk to vomit in the men's room toilet:::
Posted by Dan | November 15, 2007 7:11 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 07:11
Looks like a tonka toy truck
Posted by Terence | November 15, 2007 8:53 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 08:53
So being fuel efficient, this truck may get 12mpg instead of 10mpg? If I wanted a truck this big I'd buy a Winnebago.
Posted by CS | November 15, 2007 8:55 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 08:55
lol @ Sphere.
You think we should support these natural resource hogs by drilling in Alaska? You think we should "enjoy" leaching the world of fossil fuels just because we can? I think you've missed the big picture. Even if you don't give a damn about our environment, any patriot should still want to reduce our dependency on foreign oil.
Posted by Jim | November 15, 2007 10:53 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 10:53
@ Jim & Sphere:
Reduce our dependancy on oil PERIOD! Oil is a non-renewable resource! Once it's gone, it's GONE!
If someone actually packs this thing with cargo or use it to tow, then I'll shut up about someone owning this behemoth. Few things make me more sick than seeing a huge SUV lumbering down the road, one person aboard, and no trailer let alone trailer hitch.
Posted by Dan | November 15, 2007 11:37 AM
Posted on November 15, 2007 11:37
I think i'm going to buy one just to piss the tree hugging liberal hippies off.....
Inconvenient truth , me driving this all by myself to work......
I'll put a man bear pig sticker on the back too!
Posted by Josh | November 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 12:14
Although I don't beleive we should be wasteful or despoil our environment - heck, I collect trash from my neighbourhood everytime I take a walk with my wife - I don't think there is any need to limit our extraction of raw materials in order to preserve them for the use of future generations. Advances in technology will reduce our dependence on such raw materials long before they run out.
When people who can buy a car such as this, making I suppose at least 100k/year, can't afford to pay for gas, then I'll be worried. But that is a long way coming. I google it, and I found that, in 2005, most Europeans were paying like 7 to 5 dollars EACH GALLON (source: money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/)
In Brazil they pay 4.1 a gallon in 2005 (http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/3825/41/). Now tell me how many Brazilian make 100k dollars a year? Not so many as in America, I believe. And they are not complaining!!!
I think we're lucky. Also, we can always vote Republican and ask for the gas taxes to drop, when it reaches like $10.00 a gallon (yeah, right). Anyway, I say, if you need that car, buy it. No worries. Enjoy!!
Posted by Sphere | November 15, 2007 12:27 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 12:27
Jason:"That is a huge SUV. Anyone else notice the torque rating for this? 401lbs is no joke, I bet this thing can move. Either way, it does have a Toyota engine with a new dual vvti system on it, so chances are it's going to be more fuel efficient than it's American counterparts(I doubt any other Japanese manufacturer is going to make something this big). Also, this is kind of a weird move from Toyota, as their Landcruiser was typically the largest vehicle in the lineup until late.
If there is a choice between this and a Suburban or Tahoe, efinitely choose this. Despite it's big looks, it seems more planted and sturdy, and less likely to roll over on a 15degree incline turn... or have it's tires catch on fire or blow up or whatever...
"
Wow, you can tell all that just from looking at a picture. At least your not just making ignorant remarks based on stupid assumptions.
Thanks
Posted by Jake | November 15, 2007 12:48 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 12:48
Dan,
You don't think oil renews itself? Are you sure?
I like how everyone on here is so quick to start judging people. It's really kind of sad, and says much more about the person making those judgmental statements.
Posted by wes | November 15, 2007 1:48 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 13:48
I don't understand all the negativity on this vehicle. People who need this type of vehicle to haul stuff will buy it. People who buy it just because they want to will buy it. But if you, yourself, do not have a need for it, don't buy, don't comment.
Look at it and walk on by. Not everyone here can use thier Hybrid to haul a large boat. Nor is the answer for them to purchase a smaller boat.
Posted by Andrew | November 15, 2007 1:50 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 13:50
how come no hybrid version? i love hybrids.
Posted by LE | November 15, 2007 2:23 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 14:23
how come no hybrid version? i love hybrids.
Posted by LE | November 15, 2007 2:23 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 14:23
Jake:
Compare any Toyota vehicle with dual vvti to it's most current American counterpart. Check the gas mileage at the EPA's website, and the initial quality ratings at JD Power. My "stupid assumptions" come from the general idea portrayed from these independent testing facilities. You have a choice of not believing these sources, but at least provide a reputable source of your own. More importantly, don't comment on things you don't feel the need to research or look into. I didn't just look at the article and spout crap from my mind.
As for the tires exploding on Ford SUVs, did I imagine that from a few years ago? I suppose it never happened, just another "stupid assumption" based on my bias for....?
Either way, The Sequoia has always been a notch above it's American counterparts. Maybe the price is higher, but you should understand "you get what you pay for."
Posted by Jason | November 15, 2007 2:41 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 14:41
I'm sure it's fuel economy is better than the new Tahoe Hybrid SUV 23 city which is same class of vehicle.
Posted by RX-7 Guy | November 15, 2007 4:06 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 16:06
@Dan:
I couldn't agree more with your post. People are entitled to buy whatever they want and if they have a pressing need for a vehicle like this (i.e. towing a big a$$ boat, trailer, etc) fine. However, I usually see these behemoths driven solo by a wannabe yuppie mom yacking inanely into a cellphone, oblivious of the potential egregious harm her vehicle presents to the surrounding traffic, about how the decorators painted her dining room taupe instead of desert sand.....Damn I need to lay off coffee....1,2,3, ...relax....ahhhhhh
Posted by longdxcommuter | November 15, 2007 4:48 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 16:48
"A Accord or Camry easily fits that bill: park it in the parking lot instead of on the grass, and walk your fat ass to the field bitch!"
LOLOL!!
These things will be a menace in the hands of a soccer mom. Look at the backgrounds in the pictures (a nice neighborhood, a parking deck, a lake). This thing is a luxury barge for soccer moms, not a utility vehicle.
Oh, and stay the hell out of the fast lane, thanks. If you need to haul stuff so badly, use the cargo lanes. As a matter of fact, vehicles like this should not be allowed in the two leftmost lanes on the interstate, just as the semi trailers are not.
You may think this is a harsh viewpoint, but remember you will be infringing on MY rights (plus 10 more cars behind me) when you're impeding me on the road. If you have the right to buy one, then respect my right to not be stuck behind you.
Posted by Kell | November 15, 2007 7:15 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 19:15
"If you have the right to buy one, then respect my right to not be stuck behind you. "
On the contrary, I find that more often than not, at least in the NY metro area that people speed even faster than sports cars in these things in the far left lane. I can be going 80, well over the post 55 limit, and these tools fly up behind you, flash their lights if you don't move, and if you do, they go at least a 100.
Yea, like anything like this should need to go so fast. I don't care if they flip and die, but it seems buring all the gas in the world is an afterthought. And are they towing, or hauling precious cargo like an organ donation?! No! its some douche by themselves.
Posted by iridiumshadow | November 15, 2007 11:20 PM
Posted on November 15, 2007 23:20
I can't wait for 5 dollar gas.
These monsters are going to become too expensive to run, the prices in the used market are going to tank, and the owners of SUVs are going to suffer financially. After sharing the road and the pumps with these things, I will sleep well when they get their inevitable comeuppance.
Posted by Andy | November 16, 2007 1:21 AM
Posted on November 16, 2007 01:21
@Sphere
There is a very simple reason why people here in Brazil "don't" complain about gas prices
First, we do, because normaly its a little bit more in dollars than it is in the US, BUT it represents a lot more money over here.
Than, on average, we have cars very efficient. Did you know that HALF of tha cars sold here anualy use a 1.0l engine?! Yeah, thats true. Half are 1.0, onther 30-40% between 1.0 and 2.0l and only the rest more than 2.0.
I had a chance to live in both places, so I can tell you for sure, americans have a lot to learn with us in terms of "better" driving (meaning efficiency).
Posted by Rafael Fernandes | November 16, 2007 10:11 AM
Posted on November 16, 2007 10:11
@Rafael
Did you feel the same about European Supercars? You know, those Europeans, who pay like 7 dollars/gallon, some buy Audi's RS6 with 600hp, and the alternative Ferraris and Aston Martins not to mention the M3 and AMGs that populate Europe are not exactly practical cars, or fuel savers. But they hate those "gas guzzlers" SUV. I'd say, go to hell with them. Talk about inconsistency!
My point is that the hate directed at the US gas guzzlers SUVs should be also directed at most European supercars. But you don't see that from the enthusiasts. Why a "soccer mom" has any less right to spend her money on this beautiful Toyota than your typical M3 owner? In tyres BMW's run flat will make the annual running costs much higher than the SUV for starters. In practicality alone I'd say the "soccer mom" is more rational, even if he drives alone 50% of the time. Your typical male M3 owner does that all the time!
Is this SUV unsafe? I doubt it. Will this Toyota roll over? I doubt it, but it is possible. Even if so, will the 10+ airbags fail? Doubly doubt it. I'd say this is more safe than ANY Lotus or Mini, but this is my humble opinion. I'll wait for the crash test, but I suspect very few cars in the world are safer than this one.
But think about it, why does someone need a RS6? Or an M3? Nobody needs it really, one simply enjoy driving it. More power to you, I'd say. Now how's that different from a soccer mom wanting a big SUV? I'll tell you, it is not. As far as fuel is concerned, they both are wasting more than they should, or could. But I'm not complaining, both are free to choose, and I'll not censoring them.
Are you?
Posted by Sphere | November 16, 2007 1:23 PM
Posted on November 16, 2007 13:23
Sphere:
Bravo. Agree 1000%
But remember you have a bunch of hypocrites on this site that are anti American and socialists who want to dictate what others should or shouldn't have based on their own personal tastes and biases. They will rave and praise any 6 MPG 6,000 lb 1000 HP BMW then turn around and bash a 8 MPG SUV and call for them to be banned.
Totalitarian hypocrites. "Do as I say not as I do"
Posted by Chris | November 16, 2007 2:26 PM
Posted on November 16, 2007 14:26
@Chris & Sphere:
I admittedly do not like large SUV's. I think they are a phenomenal waste of money for most people's driving routines. They do serve a purpose for hauling, towing, etc and people have a right to buy them. I must agree that this site caters to enthusiasts (myself included) that will swoon and sing the praises of the next big supercar. I realise that this is a dicotomy of sorts,as these cars generally expend just as much resources as the large SUV. However, the buyers of this type of supercar do not care a wit about fuel prices, as image and prestige are the main factors in the purchase. Are both SUV's and supercars wasteful and for the most part unneccesary? In my opinion, yes but with a caveat. Some technology from the "halo" car trickles down to other models in that car company. (Just like race cars befit production cars with improved safety, handling, etc)
Posted by longdxcommuter | November 16, 2007 4:39 PM
Posted on November 16, 2007 16:39
One thing I would like to point out, these supercars that do get very low mpg's, are typically low production vehicles. Maybe 2,3,6 thousand a year are made. When you compare that to SUV's which are now said to be the most common vehicle in the USA.
So, if statistics are any example, there are going to be far more Sequoias,Land Rovers, Explorers, and other large SUVS on the road then that RS6, or M3.
Posted by iridiumshadow | November 16, 2007 10:22 PM
Posted on November 16, 2007 22:22
Somehow I doubt there are more Hummers than Honda Civics rolling around in the states, contrary to the image greenies paint.
I can use statistics too:
There are how many millions of Civics and Corollas from 1980+ rolling around polluting the environment compared to how many Hummers and Vipers? By that perspective you could see that it's cheap commuter cars that pollute more and consume more fuel based on sheer numbers alone.
There were 8,394 of my "gas guzzling" Cobra's made in 2003. How many millions of were made of Civic, Sentra, Corolla, Focus, Prizm, etc? For every one of my (car or a Hummer), there are 1,000 economy cars each dumping 100 times the pollutants in the air.
Posted by Chris | November 19, 2007 10:37 AM
Posted on November 19, 2007 10:37