LOL, I needed a good laugh, I guess the AFA has a boycot on US real estate too, because sales are slipping there too!

Why did Ford Dip? Because a comparably equipped Ford and Dodge are $4000 different in pricing. Chevrolet is up there along with Ford as well, but who notices Chevrolt? Rather, I mean, I do not notice them, and never have. I have just traded in a 1996 Ford F250 for a Dodge Ram 3500. Why, because it was in my price range, AND because who wnats to take a chance on Ford's "new" Diesel Motor, when the 6.0L only lasted what? 4 years? Diesel's 6.7L Cummins is in it's second year, and the only cause for alarm I hear, is do not idle for extended periods of time, as the cat gets plugged. Why buy Ford when another automaker is comeing out with a similarly equipped model, for an average of $4000.00 less.

The AFA has nothing to do with slow autosales at all. Like the article says there are a plethora of other things going on that has slowed Ford's sales.

Just to piss off the AFA though I might go buy a Ford... once Ford builds a better car.

@Johnny

"Chevrolet is up there along with Ford as well, but who notices Chevrolet?"

Yes who notices the world's largest automaker.

Wow who knew that the AFA are such scum, I am glad I learned of this I will be sure to "boycott" them and their functions in the future.

Ford like any other company reserves the right to sell and market their product to any target group. Last I checked, the homosexual community's money still flows green like the rest of us. The AFA is one of the main culprits of the divided bipartisan mess this country is in now. I have no problem with special interest groups in theory, however the AFA and their ilk have used their influence to sway public policy. Before, everyone slams me, the same is applied to the far left groups too (PETA, ELF, George Soros, etc)

The majority of Americans vote within moderate centrist levels. Those on the far sides (Left/right) are always befuddled when the majority of their views are dismissed. So they resort to insideous tactics , like the supposed "boycott" of Ford. Are they also going to ban cruise lines, hotels, rental car agencies, drycleaners, supermarkets, etc that homosexuals use? Please!!!!

Finally, the separation of government/church myth. The founders of the colonies knew the church rule was corrupting government.In fact, many colonist fled England to escape religious intolerance . The separation of church and state was to keep religious policies and intolerance out of state affairs.Not the other way around, as commonly misconstrued. We are still fighting this battle today. End of my soapbox for now. Now you can blast me.

Good for Ford! AFA needs to shove their beliefs up their own orafice. Since when should treating your employee's equal a bad thing. Excuse me! I thought that's how your supposed to treat people. What, are we back to seggregation again? Grow up AFA, or do you want your Nazi's back?

People are smarter than that. AFA, Learn that your not God and that you can't change business with your boycott. It doesn't work! People are smarter than that!

Go fight homelessness or starvation. Find something worth while.

Have they considered it has something to do with the fact the Ford make crap cars and are out of touch with the motoring public? I don't think some minority organisation like AFA would have much of an impact - I dislike fags as much as most people (but who aren't game to say so) but get real....

Actually, I and many other people I know of have participated in this boybott that AFA called-out for over a year ago. And I fully agree with the reasons for this boycott. Just because you vehemently disagree with our reasons doesn't make them less valid or diminish the results that this boycott has lent a hand in achieving.

Actually, I and many other people I know of have participated in this boycott that AFA called-out for over a year ago. And I fully agree with the reasons for this boycott. Just because you vehemently disagree with our reasons doesn't make them less valid or diminish the results that this boycott has lent a hand in achieving.

Well those of you on the soapbox thinking americans were fleeing from religious persecution need to realize that we were the god squad not the other way around. Yes afa point is invalid. Retards like them are the reason why George Bush is in power and people like that are reasons that hitler was able to get such a strong following give sheep a reason to fear and you can get them to do whatever you want except its not the jews its the gays.

That is very bold of considering most gay males come "normal families" and are ofter the 2nd or 3rd born male. I'm more or less a libertarian so I don't really care what anyone does as long doesn't harm me.

I will say that Ford likely employs a lot of non-gay over paid blue collar workers that are the ones that get hurt so the boycott is pretty irresponsible on that level.

On the other hand aside from handful of models I don't know why anyone would buy an American POS anyway. None of the Domestic auto maker make a complete package. Some have good power trains and ugly bodies. Other have crappy power trains and ok bodies. Worst yet the Japanese have innovated truck design and make a much better product. Leave it to American mediocrity, get with it Detroit.

Elfstone,

Why only boycott Ford? Many other makers and many other companies have ads that target the very same community. It seems pretty hypocritical to pick and choose who you are going to boycott when a ton of other companies are "guilty" of the same thing.

Secondly, I think it's pretty ignorant to boycott products from Ford for the above reason. If you wouldn't mind, could you please explain why you think it's a valid reason to boycott Ford products?

Wow...Elfstoned...u oppressive, bigoted, sexually repressed supporter of right wing religious fanatics...are you INSANE???

Do you REALLY think god hates gays because you read it some 2000 year old book??

I mean...'tolerance' was the 'thing' back in 50 BC wasn't it!! It was written by a bunch men who just didn't know any better...these blokes may have been the best of their day but imagine now that the bible was written in 2007...wouldn't you think it would be a little more 'understanding'. Unless of you and your AFA wrote it!

I mean influencing decisions about things you should know better about.

'Cut off your nose the spite your face'...heard that one??

So you’re kicking normal people to badger a minority group huh?

...anyway...I think your pathetic involvement is probably a drop in the Ford bucket...no wonder they don't give a damn about you.

You are like the modern KKK...instead of hating black people you hate gays...can't 'fix' em so we just gotta kill em...

So imagine your loony org achieved its mission objective...what next...run the gays out of the country? Then start attacking them OS?? Is it then the gay gas chambers??

The bible talks tolerance...maybe you should actually read it rather than getting swept along with religious fervour.

You are sad and pathetic and partly responsible for how far society is falling.

Do you aspire to be a little like Iran...we don't have homosexuals like you do in America...did that statement make you jealous? Is that what you're hoping for?

...anyway...AFA mission statement number two (to be enacted after all gays are history)...Rescinding womens rights...

Hey...the bible says women should be obedient and have to please their man...and they darn better do that!!!!

Right?? I mean...am I right?? The bible says so, so it's just well...right!! ...isn't it?

Hot damn...I loves me some religion!

I have lost all respect for "the torque report." Here's the e-mail AFA sent me (and I subscribe to their petitions, boycotts, and general mailing list):

"Ford Boycott continues to be effective; Sales drop 21% in September

Ford Motor Company sales dropped 21% in September compared to that month's sales a year ago. Ford sales have dropped in 17 of the 19 months since AFA began a boycott of the company. AFA began boycotting Ford in March 2006 when the company reneged on a pledge to stop supporting homosexual organizations and same-sex marriage.

While not totally responsible for the decline in sales, the boycott is having an impact. When the boycott began, Ford was approximately in the same financial condition as that of General Motors and Chrysler. But because of the boycott, Ford is now in much more of a serious financial situation than GM and Chrysler."

They blatantly said that they are not totally responsible for the declining sales. They never said that they caused them, just that they impacted them.

Get your facts straight. Report on the new cars like you always do, and leave the politics where they belong.

Re: Andrei

Please re-read what I wrote. I said that they are trying to take some of the credit, not all of it.

"The American Family Association is now taking some of the credit for the disappointing sales. "

I said "some" not all.

This is what you said:
"While not totally responsible for the decline in sales, the boycott is having an impact."

Not totally = is a vague way of saying that they are taking some credit for the decline.

There are so many reasons why Ford's sales have declined in the past 19 months as I explained above. In addition to the fact that many of their current models are simply not wanted by the car buying public.

That is all that I am going to say about this topic other than the fact that it is sad that people are perpetuating hate in this country.

Wow, this AFA organization seems like a big group of small minded people. Are gay people causing problems for them? What are these people going to do if god forbid they have a gay child? Ship this person off to some island? Do any of you AFA supporters care to explain why you guys hate gay people and like to hurt good American workers because of someone else's sexual preference?

Don't forget the others that God hates(it's a hell of list )

http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/

and Shrimp!!!

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

The mindless militant Christians will one day see the truth that religion inspires much more harm and intolerance than any other thing on this planet.

In response to Elfstone"s earlier comments. I am not going to criticize, demean, or insult you . You are entitled to your beliefs ( whetherI or someone else disagrees with you). I am perplexed on why this is such a hot button with the AFA. Ford is an automaker. It is in an industry that makes a vitalproduct that many people need. Ford is entitled to market, sell, and service vehicles despite who happens to own them. The fact that they market to one particular group is not different than any other company. Ford (for that matter Mcdonalds, Microsoft,etc) market their respective products differently to different groups. For instanse, if you read a magazine like Essence, you will see ads that (low and behold) feature African-Americans. Is that wrong? No, the advertisers are tayloring the marketing to a particular group. Also, as a company Ford is entitled to create benefits packages that are inclusive to their respective employees. I have worked for several Fortune 200 companies in that past 10 years. All have had some sort of domestic partner health benefit. It matter not to you or I agree with that. It is their perogative in the end.

Finally, your beliefs are your beliefs. I understand that. However, this country is composed of varying belief systems, ethnic groups, and religions. It is the tolorance of these divergent systems that has allowed this country to flourish.

End of Soapbox.

I boycotted Ford when they started coming out with crappy vehicles. Bring the Mondeo to the US and I'll revisit the brand. (And for the record: The Mazda doesn't count.)

So, it is safe to drive VW convertibles again?

ford boycotted itself by making terrible vehicles

LOL!
This thread has brought out all the bigoted religion haters, painting all people of religion with a wide brush!!!
POT-KETLLE-BLACK!!!

It's not selling because it's just plain FUGLY!

This car is for 250 lb 50 year old Iowa housewives whose hobbies include watching Home Shopping Channel and creating desserts with Jello and Marshmallows.

I guess all of these religious AFA people like Andrei and Elfstone must have had a bad time with a priest at the Catholic Church their parents made them attend...

So typically American… its perfectly fine to kill and maim thousands of civilians but God forbid if any of your fellow countrymen are gay. Unbelievable

So typically American… its perfectly fine to kill and maim thousands of civilians but God forbid if any of your fellow countrymen your gay. Unbelievable

@Boone:

So typically "Red State" American, mind you. "Red State" is what we use for the people of the AFA.

You see there are three groups in America that you can pluck out of this: one is small but significant (called "Centrist"), one is the "Red State" group and called the "Blue State" or "liberals."

Right now it works something like this, Centrists are maybe 8 percent of the population, Red State's have 45 percent and Blue States have 47 Percent.

Due to Iraq and the unpopularity of GWB's policies around the world the Blue States have a little bit more than usual, but its also important to remember that within the Reds and Blues, there are varying levels of commitment to those groups. "Die Hard" reds or blues are maybe only 6 percent of all Americans when put together. Maybe a quarter of all Red's and Blue's are willing to switch sides given a bad 8 years like we have had in America under GWB, but most will either move centrist or, while still considering themselves "Red State" or "Blue State," actually be pulling for the other sides. BTW, the term for "Red State" in America is "Republican," while "Blue State" is "Democrat."

The people like the AFA are majority Republicans, and then they only compromise at best half of all red-state people. The problem is though that those people support notions that many other Republicans support to. That is, while most all republicans favor pro-growth economic policies, not all have the kinds of views of Gay People as the most die-hard Republicans.

Blue State or Democrats for the most part do not care whether or not a person is gay or not: its simply not an issue to them. Centrists are by and large the same way, "so what, someone is gay?" A slice of the Republicans that lean more centrist and Democrat also do not have anything bad to say about Gay people.

But: like anywhere else, your group becomes part of your identity. So while die-hard Republicans or Democrats get elected to office or end up on top of organizations like the AFA, most of the actual people in the country do not share all the same sentiments. Its more or less a bait-and-switch kind of thing that Americans are only now really waking up to: Gay rights is something most Americans just do not think about mainly because aside from Marriage there are not any laws against being gay. Its only when a politician actually gets to office that we learn there position or the position seems to become relevant.

I, myself, am one of the Americans out there who just does not care. I say who cares that someone is gay, or that Chris Crocker gets international attention for his hissy-fits. If gays married, so what? It does not devalue straight marriage at all, does it?

If you want to poke fun at a real source of hatred, poke fun at Iran: although two gay students were hung for being gay to years ago, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claims that Iran does not have "this problem" when speaking about Iran's treatment of gays.

@Allen:

Excellent post. While this thread has delved completely away from cars. It is so true. The AFA and other far right special interests groups are in constant struggle with the far left groups (George Soros and his ilk). The majority of American population falls within the center (a typical bell curve). The centrist stray a little to the right of left depending on which topic is of importance to them. The real danger is when extremist (right/left) know they cannot win an actual vote, but will buy a candidate or throw large sum of money to propaganda machines. (ads, bogus think tanks, talking heads, etc). The problem lies in that these topics do not rear their ugly head until election time or are lumped with a larger political party. John Kerry effectively lost the 2004 election because 1) he starting aligning himself with far-left special interest groups and 2) the smear campaign ads by the far right (very effective by the way). It was not that GWB was a far better candidate. The last 8 years will be marked by the omnipresent division of these two camps regardless of actual political views. It is this rift that will need to be addressed in future campaigns. Ford's misfortunes can be attributed to a variety of factors, but any supposed dent in sales by the AFA is minor. However, that will not stop the AFA in declaring a victory.

@Allen:

Excellent post. While this thread has delved completely away from cars. It is so true. The AFA and other far right special interests groups are in constant struggle with the far left groups (George Soros and his ilk). The majority of American population falls within the center (a typical bell curve). The centrist stray a little to the right of left depending on which topic is of importance to them. The real danger is when extremist (right/left) know they cannot win an actual vote, but will buy a candidate or throw large sum of money to propaganda machines. (ads, bogus think tanks, talking heads, etc). The problem lies in that these topics do not rear their ugly head until election time or are lumped with a larger political party. John Kerry effectively lost the 2004 election because 1) he starting aligning himself with far-left special interest groups and 2) the smear campaign ads by the far right (very effective by the way). It was not that GWB was a far better candidate. The last 8 years will be marked by the omnipresent division of these two camps regardless of actual political views. It is this rift that will need to be addressed in future campaigns. Ford's misfortunes can be attributed to a variety of factors, but any supposed dent in sales by the AFA is minor. However, that will not stop the AFA in declaring a victory.

Further, I respect religion and other religious views. I have a big problem when religion intermixes with business and government. You do not like a product, do not buy it. The marketplace determines the ultimate fate of a company.

This is really stupid.

The AFA can wake up any day now and see diversity and individuality throughout the world. No one's "perfect" and there's no such thing as an "ideal family" because any one can have a family that is "ideal" to them!

I might not be gay, but I support other people's differences and their choices.

I want to buy a fleet of Fords now. haha.

I think the AFA should boycott whoever they want whenever they want, because I never heard of them till this story was posted.

And a warning to all of you, the next one to rip on my fat wife from Iowa gets a Plutonium enema. Just try me.

The biggest thing this group needs to remember, is the biggest thing MOST religious people quickly forget. It's not for US to judge. That's god's job. Another nice one, Love the sinner and hate the sin? Hmm...so where do either of these things give THEM the right to repress gay people? Looks to me like that's GODS decision. Get over it, and if that's as well as you can read and understand your bible, shove it up your @ss. It'll do you just as much good.

Mark has summed up my views nicely. I simply don't get excited about any religious organization (or one composed of very religious people posing as a lobby group, think tank, bi-partisan consulting company, etc.) imposing their will on me or my family. So, I will be getting in my F-250 tomorrow morning, rounding up about 6 illegal aliens, and finding some lawns to mow, odd projects to work on, and do a little flirting with the cutist hombre in the cab... I think he is sweet on me as well. Could be an interesting day!!!!

Ford cars suck. Their quality alone is reason to boycott them.

I am not a bigot to dislike having the gay agenda thrust on me. I don’t force any one to study Islam, so why should my kids be forced to study gay history? I don’t like mandatory sensitive training in my work place glorifying the gay lifestyle.

Just because I don’t approve the gay lifestyle or like having it thrust in my face does not make me a bigot! I become a bigot only if I persecute or discriminate againt them in any way for their lifestyle.

I would go even further and call the gay activists as being bigoted. They are intolerant to others right to believe in their own values.

First of all everyone really needs to read the AFA web page, you will understand what, when, were, and why there doing it. I bet over 90% of you ether glanced over or just made up your mind by what other people have posted.
The AFA has fully explained everything down to the T just read and once you read express your personel oppinion but try and bring yourself up by putting GOD down he did give you life, we will all be judged accourdingly one day.

There web site shows all the money that ford has given to support the homosexual lifestyle. Thats fine if they want to be gay GOD will take care of them sooner or later.
My oppinion is why support the gay lifestyle when theres homeless, child abuse, drugs, sex offenders, people losing there jobs to other countries, ect....................
I mean come on if there wanting to GIVE money away so bad why not give back to the employees or to a good, better cause anyone of you can agree with that,

and remeber one thing GOD forgives ANYONE who will confess their SINS will have everlasting life.
Im not saying you have to beleave but at least you all will know he does love you no matter what just watch what you say before spitting something out, Boycott ford is a real way of showing us how stupid companys go to try and make a buck, meaning FORD and other companys like it that have no clue what or why there still in the market,