amazing car !!!

Finally, The Legend of Godzilla is arise again.....

That's one fine machine right there. There's a lot of other pictures on the internet including one sort of cutaway of the vehicle that shows one of the intercoolers and oil coolers on the passenger side. Well I guess it would be the drivers side since it was right hand drive. Hot hot car. Wish a mortal man such as myself could afford one.

Very nice car, but at 3800 lbs. it needs to go on a diet. The price could come down a bit too. Make it 50G, market it as a Corvette (regular) beater and they'll triple their market share and almost double their profit.

Oh, and I forgot to say then everyone wins :P

" Kell:

Very nice car, but at 3800 lbs. it needs to go on a diet. The price could come down a bit too. Make it 50G, market it as a Corvette (regular) beater and they'll triple their market share and almost double their profit."

No, the weights fine as it is, there's a lot more going on on the chassis and in the engine bay than an agrarian Corvette. Completely different league of car, GTR will beat the vette in a straight and annihilate it round the corners. Its actually more marketable as a Ferrari, Porsche, etc eater at less than half the price.

" Kell:

Very nice car, but at 3800 lbs. it needs to go on a diet. The price could come down a bit too. Make it 50G, market it as a Corvette (regular) beater and they'll triple their market share and almost double their profit."

No, the weights fine as it is, there's a lot more going on on the chassis and in the engine bay than an agrarian Corvette. Completely different league of car, GTR will beat the vette in a straight and annihilate it round the corners.

The Vette is a lot more basic and a lot cheaper to produce than this vehicle, so a 50k price wouldn't be of any benefit to Nissan. Its actually more marketable as a Ferrari, Porsche, etc eater at less than half the price.

The weight is fine as it is? The production weight is never fine on a car destine to be called a sports car. Weight influences everything from acceleration to braking, top speed to fuel economy, drivetrain wear to tire wear. If Nissan could make this car lighter then they would, but as it stands the revised attesa system and new platform are more GT oriented than pure sports car.

Case in point, the R33 was larger and a bit heavier than the record breaking R32 models. Although much more advanced in it's AWD development, the R33 didn't handle as well as the R32 when pushed to the limit. The R34's were only a handful of pounds heavier than the R33, but also carried a revised suspension geometry to deal with the weight.

The V-spec model is good it seems, but the one thing Nissan should avoid is throwing on bigger wheels and brakes, a new badge, and raising the boost on the stock turbos and calling it a new trim model.

I just have a bad feeling this car will be a huge let down. Another 350z this cars power output is great but the weight is just kill it, and nissan can get the weight down but it would be to expensive for what they are trying to market it for.

It's definetly too heavy. Just because that's the new trend, it doesn't automatically become "right". Lighter cars (Z06, ZR1) are going to get the best of it in the end because of the weight difference.

The Vettes still offer more performance for the money. You can argue about technology all you want, but in the end, the Vette is winning.

As for whether to call it a Corvette, Porsche or Ferrari killer...we don't have the evidence yet to decide. The Z06 is already a Porsche and Ferrari killer and the ZR1 is going after even loftier targets, so calling it a Corvette killer sorta encompasses them all. However, the GT-R does have to EARN that title first.

I dunno, this thing easily kills a stock Corvette with its added power and AWD.

A Z06? Its true the Z06 is lighter and has more top end power, but dual-turbo setups of late have had more torque in the low rpms and AWD gives this car a big advantage over a Corvette. In a Skyline, you can downshift as you enter a turn to keep RPMs high because there is not a lot of torque up top to make the wheels start spinning, where as in Corvettes and old-school Camaro's I've always had the problem that whenever I take turns I have to downshift AFTER exiting the turn, otherwise the wheels just spin out from under the car.

So I'll say it again, this car easily eats a stock Corvette, even with the new 2008 engine. I can see the Z06 beating it in a half mile drag, but I don't know about a quarter. Where as the GT-R will just take off (no stupid wheel spin as AWD adds traction and the differential is setup to eliminate it), the Z06 will just spin its tires. You'd need to add race slicks to a Z06 to get it to keep from spinning. And then it'd have to catch up, and really, there is not a huge power difference here, a mere 32 hp. If the GT-R is geared right, I can see it taking a Z06 in the drag (won't be the first time a car with less power won at the strip).

Of course, there is the weight issue. The Z06 weighs in at 3132 lbs, exactly 668 lbs less than a stock GT-R. That is what could tip the balance, at a track or a drag strip. The suspension on the GT-R will have to be setup incredibly well to compensate for the weight in the turns, but we know its possible. The Buggatti Veyron is a pig at its 4000lbs gross weight, but everyone who spoke badly of it before it came out was amazed at how well it handled its weight, so much so that even Jeremy Clarkson (who rarely retracts his words) complimented it on its fine handling and comfortable ride when put against ANY sports car.

Now the GT-R V-Spec, that will eat a Z06 alive. Only 168 lbs heavier with AWD AND 25 hp more? Its mainly the AWD that does if, but added power and not much more weight is a big benefit.

AWD is not that great on the track. One lap sure, bad weather sure. Lap after lap no way, it's slower the twisties and eat tires. That Z06 produce 400lbs of torque from 1500rpm. As far as GT-R engine goes it's out classed. I bet the LS7 weighs less and takes up less space. That LS7 is also better at the pump. Naturally aspirated is better hands down and this is coming from a guy that boosts enough to beat that GT-R at the strip 10 out 10 times.

Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. The GT-R weigh s3800 LBS. That's SUV weight. A base model (3150lb, 436hp) C6 is probably faster than this thing, and certainly more of a sportscar.

AWD might be great for getting off the line in drag racing but a sportscar it doesn't make. Why do you think they take it out of the 911 Turbo to make a 911 GT1?

AWD also almost doubles driveline losses (ie car loses like 30% of its power to friction in drivetrain).

AWD is certainly better than FWD, so its the way to go for a car manufacturer that only has transversely mounted engine platforms (example the Imprezza and Lancer go AWD rather than FWD when they become WRX and Evo), but car manufacturers that have RWD platforms available go RWD when they want to make a sportscar. Except this Nissan thing.

3800lbs. What were they thinking?

Put lipstick on a pig and it's still a pig. The GT-R weigh s3800 LBS. That's SUV weight. A base model (3150lb, 436hp) C6 is probably faster than this thing, and certainly more of a sportscar.

AWD might be great for getting off the line in drag racing but a sportscar it doesn't make. Why do you think they take it out of the 911 Turbo to make a 911 GT1?

AWD also almost doubles driveline losses (ie car loses like 30% of its power to friction in drivetrain).

AWD is certainly better than FWD, so its the way to go for a car manufacturer that only has transversely mounted engine platforms (example the Imprezza and Lancer go AWD rather than FWD when they become WRX and Evo), but car manufacturers that have RWD platforms available go RWD when they want to make a sportscar. Except this Nissan thing.

3800lbs. What were they thinking?

For the money, Nissan could of certainly come up with a better design for their so called"SUPER" car. It looks like shit!!!!!!!

What a waste of development dollars, or yen, as it were. Another inefficient SUV, hooray!

The interior is not impressive at all, reaching the point of being called lame. I am sure they are more imaginative.

The interior is not impressive at all, reaching the point of being called lame. I am sure they are more imaginative.

For those morons who said *this thing is heavy* are nothing but a bunch of idiots who knows nothing about GT-R's Power.

Even the Original R-32, with just a *tiny bit* of modification can eat your *beloved* Z06 ALIVE. Straight or Corners.(oh wait, can vette ever turn? nm ...)

ROFL

I like that Rx-7 moron talk.

talking about good at gas for a what, 80K car?

You're the most pathetic moron I've ever seen.

You want to save at the pump? Go get yourself a Prius fool.

wow, its not even 2008, and now they are talking about an upgrade in 2009. I'm going to wait.... for the 2014 model.

Kevin:

It's definetly too heavy. Just because that's the new trend, it doesn't automatically become "right". Lighter cars (Z06, ZR1) are going to get the best of it in the end because of the weight difference.

Nuremberg and 1/4 mile times tell a different story. This car hauls ass and takes corners in a different league than a vette.

"The GT-R weighs 3800 LBS. That's SUV weight."

Used to be about 10 years ago. Now most mid-size sedans weigh 3,500 or more. It's not uncommon for larger sedans (not HUGE luxo-barges) to weigh 4,000 or more. So yes, while the GT-R could benefit from losing weight (it never hurts in a car), it's nowhere near SUV weight.

Cars are following a trend of weighing more and more, some of this is because of government mandates on things like safety and emissions controls and other assorted junk, part of it is because we as consumers are demanding more refinement, quieter rides, more luxury features. The GT-R is a 4 seat car that will likely be able to carry 4 adults in comfort, that is part of the reason it costs more and weighs more than a Corvette. Anyways if you look at the projected Performance figures of 3.5 seconds for 0~60 and 11.7 seconds for the standing 1/4 mile. The GT-R is a little faster than a Z06 when it comes to hiting 60 mph, and it's dead even in the 1/4 mile time. And the Ring times put the GT-R comfortably ahead of the Z06 so this car is plenty fast, and there is not that large a price difference between them.

Still the Spec-V and Evo models could show HUGE improvements if they make extensive use of light weight materials and cut the weight down to 3500~3600 lbs.

I really like this car, it's a little on the ugly side but not that bad, the Interior is pretty nice, if I were to nit pick something it's the fact that Nissan is a horrible company that builds unreliable junk and refuses to stand by their product when you have problems (yes I own a Nissan currently and I hate it, I bought it instead of a domestic because I wanted a reliable new car, it puts the previous worst car I have ever owned a 1991 Ford Taurus to shame when it comes to being a POS)

Where does this notion that it will be competitive with cars like the Z06 on the track come from out of ? The asses of FWD 4cyl fartcan fanboy asses, quite evidently. The Z06 comes within a hair of beating the $500,000 Porsche Carrerra GT's 'Ring lap time. Look it up.

The Z06 weighs 3150lbs and dominates the GT1 class of LeMans. That's GT1 people. Not GT2 or GT3 where the Ferraris and Porsches are. And that's the stock chassis and engine block.

This 3800lb turbo-charged 6cyl AWD drag-sled is not going to be competitive with the likes of a Z06 on the ring people.

Shoichi Higa it might be because the unofficial lap times the GT-R posted on the ring are currently around 7:35 seconds, which compares to 7:32 for the Carrerra GT and 7:42 for the Z06.

of course your right Shoichi Higa being a full 7 seconds faster is not competitive at all.

z06 = Faster, Better Power Delivery, Better Sound, Prettier, Better Fuel Consumption, Better Emisions, More Manly and more "Working Class Hero" thing.

This car is for those nerdz that cant figure out that "Fast and Furious2 is a tribute to Western cultural and spiritual decadence.

Scuse my english.

Correction:

"This car" = Nissan
"Fast and Furious2 = All fast and furious not just the second (2 isntead of " when writing)

Travis you do notice that you are using the word unofficial right? And you do notice that the Z06 is lighter, has a lower rotational inertia, a lower center of gravity, and a better power to weight ratio, right? The Z06 has a 35% better power to weight ratio than the GT-R -- and that's with no turbo's no turbo lag, a 7,000rpm redline in a 7.0L V8. For the duller here, that means you could stick a thousand pounds of bricks in a Z06 and it would still have a better power-weight ratio, lower center of gravity, lower polar moment, etc than the GT-R.

Official facts, not Nissan claims. Put down the Kool Aid. I'm looking forward to the NSX and Toyota/Lexus, but this GT-R is an emulation of civic-driving Import Tuner reader dyno queen fantasies -- a step backword. A turbocharged Altima engine in a 3800lb lowered SUV (same old platform as in Infiniti FX, remember), does not a supercar make. I'm very disappointed. This is not what I wanted from my heritage's homeland for a comeback attempt -- it's an opportunity squandered and, sadly, I fear it will sell about as well as the Supra, RX-7, and 300ZX did. In other words, I fear it will cause Japanese car makers to not build high performance sportscars for a decade or something again due to poor sales.

There's a reason Enzo, McLaren F1, Carrera GT, Z06, etc -- all the top supercars -- use 6.0L, 7.0L, V8s, V10s, V12, etc with no turbos.

Chickon:

What are you on about. My FD get around 22Hwy and 10cty it's best run is 11.5 on street tires. An LS7 puts out more power and would get around 30hwy and 20 city in my 2400lbs car. What's wrong with that... It's a better engine deal with it.

Smaller external size
More HP
More Torque
More efficient
No Turbos
Flatter torque curve

buy two an we'll do an engine swap and see which one is faster.

As as those go unofficial lap times go they could have the boost turned up to keep the hype going. I personally hope it's right.

I can let you all in on a little secret about the Ring, it's not a pure race track, it's also used as a public toll road, and in a lot of areas the road is not even remotely pristine. AWD cars often have an advantage under less than Ideal road conditions. BTW it currently costs 19 Euros to take a lap, and if I ever get over to Germany it is on my to do list.

Keep hatin niggas, you only making the GT-R more famous. I cant wait till videos on youtube showing the GT-R killing everyother car out there. FUK U haters

compare it with the Z06 all you want, GTR still beat it in the nurburgring laptime despite having less power and weighing more, doesnt seem so hot now does it. Despite the extra weight it looks like it was well spent to add technology to increase overall handling to overcome the weight disadvantage

7:38:45 - GTR
7:42 - Z06

There are unofficial lap times putting the Z06 under 7:30. Nobody counts those because they are unverifiable...just like the GT-R run everyone keeps referencing. That's an unofficial, prototype run. You can rest assured the production version will be at least .10 slower.

It doesn't take a genius to look at this cars specs and get a good idea of what it can do. 480hp, 3800lbs, AWD. Now compare that to 505hp, 3000lbs, and RWD. Anybody who's been on a track can tell you which car will be faster without knowing the first thing about the suspension.

The best part is that when the ZR1 prototype runs a 7:20, GT-R guys will be yelling "it's unofficial!!". Funny how that works.

"A turbocharged Altima engine in a 3800lb lowered SUV (same old platform as in Infiniti FX, remember), does not a supercar make."

Check your facts before posting statements. Nothing in the GT-R is shared with any vehicle. The engine has been designed from the ground up. This isn't a bored-out & TT'd VQ35.

Where did the idea of it being based off of the FX/Altima platform come in? Seriously, read a bit more before posting, people.

One thing everyone is failing to mention - The shifting time. The GT-R has a dual-clutch transmission, .2 seconds to shift (in sport mode. When in "normal" mode, .5). Let's see any standard transmission out there shift that quickly.

http://www.gtrnissan.com/specs.en.us.html

Some of you need to remember Nissan's benchmark for this car is the 911. The 911 was also GM's benchmark while developing the Z06.

It's just funny to see you guys comparing the Z06 and GTR, when the engineers and mechanics who developed the cars were comparing them to the 911.

I love these forums and the import vs. domestic fights. With all the arguments about weight in here there are a few other things to think about. Did Nissan say they were selling this car to a "track" crowd? For an everyday driver, this will probably (I don't know for sure because I haven't driven one) be a lot nicer on the street. It will also probably not rattle like GM products inevitably do. While someone above bashed the Nissan's interior...the Corvette, and most sports cars, aren't that much to look at either. The GTR is also doing all it's numbers with 4-seats (a coupe...not 2-seat sports car)...quite an accomplishment and a welcome addition. Therefore, you have a beast to drive, and practicality as well. If you want a straight up sports car, with lower numbers of amenities, and therefore weight, stick to the Corvette, Viper, or similar cars. People can stick to their track cars if they want...I'd take a GTR and enjoy driving it on the street, with an occasional trip to the track or backroads. P.S. I'm not saying I'd turn down a Corvette though;)

RX-7 guy, you know nothing son, thats why your backing

a) the RX-7 - one of the most unreliable "sports" cars in history, a car most mechanics shake their heads at and forward you to some idiot who will charge you an arm an a leg to fix

b) the Z06 - N/A better? Right....Better take that time machine back to 2007 mate

To the rest of you...Too heavy? Hmm, it weights ALOT more than a Porsche and still

Beats a porsche,
Drinks less fuel than a porsche
looks better than a porsche

And weight isnt always a bad thing, This thing will stick to the track like glue, And the mass of electronics (which makes up the weight) will help get the thing around the track in the fastest possible time

Give it a few years and 50% of the negative comments will be having second thoughts..

It's just like the current skyline. Not worth importing to the states.

oosty: admit it, you LOVE porsche 911's....

Tony, I'm sorry but it appears you are telling me to check my facts when my facts are right and yours are wrong. Go Wikipedia Infiniti FX -- it's the same platform as every single RWD car Nissan makes. The Murano is Altima platform. Every other AWD or RWD Nissan car on US market is the Infiniti FX platform.

This is why every car on that platform is overweight -- why do you think the Z weighs 3400lbs -- same platform as SUV.

Oh yeah, and Nissan can say it's designed from the ground up all they want but all all you have to do to see it's a turbo'd VQ is look at the intake manifold's dimensions. The VQ is the only V6 they make. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the GT-R engine and any other VQ and see they're the same block architecture.

Put down the Kool-Aid, try owning something other than a Civic, and quit talking out of your ass telling people their facts are wrong when they are exactly correct.

"Put down the Kool-Aid, try owning something other than a Civic, and quit talking out of your ass telling people their facts are wrong when they are exactly correct."

Again, you need to check your facts before you post. I own a 300ZX ;-) (BTW, how does Kool-Aid play into anything?)

Anyway, if you did the SMALLEST bit of searching, you might understand that the new GT-R is NOT called a "Skyline GT-R" because the Skyline badge implies that the coupe was taken from the sedan version, brought to a coupe body, and tuned. The Skyline badge has been removed because the GT-R is NOT based off another Nissan vehicle. The FM platform that is on most all of Nissan's new vehicles is not used on the GT-R. The FM platform IDEA is used (it is still a front engine with a weight distribution of approx. 52/48), but it is NOT, I repeat NOT, the same FM platform used on the other Nissan vehicles. The press release information from many magazine articles and online sites explain this.

As far as the cars being overweight, that is a matter of opinion. If the weight is required for the GT-R to perform the way it does, I'm quite OK with saying that it is just the right weight. Besides, if you know so much about cars, why aren't you making any? :-D

"This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used as the basis of nearly all of Nissan's rear and all-wheel drive applications since its inception"

This quote from Wiki further pushes what I am saying - the GT-R is NOT a Skyline because it is NOT based off another platform.

I stand by the engine not being "just a TT'd VQ." Again, the press release information explains more. Look it up.

Another quote online (vr38.com):

"The engine powering the 2008 GT-R is not part of the VQ family. Holiday Auto have reportedly been told that the engine appearing in the new GT-R has a 'VR' designation, leading them to believe that it has a strong connection to the VRH35L from the Nissan R390"

Again, this is NOT a VQ engine. I might have been wrong to say that it is 100% designed from the ground up - what I meant to say was that the pieces will be 100% unique from the ground up, no shared engine parts. deduce from that what you will. The design of the engine might have come from one of the design team member's farts for all anyone knows. But it is definately known that this is not a TT'd engine found in an Altima, Maxima, Murano, etc. etc.

So, Mr. Sir, uhm.. put down YOUR Kool-Aid (Is that the right come-back? I'm not hip on this new drink slang), and stop popping off information that is indeed incorrect. Oh, and go try owning something other than a tC (is That right? That would be a good comeback for a social-based econo-coupe insult, right?)

I've got a friend who only buys the best sports cars, recently I sold his Ferrari on ebay item # 290155790472 (for anyone who thinks I'm lying) . Currently he owns a 2007 Turbo 911, an 04 Ferrari F430 and an M5. He's never bought a Skyline he'll probably be 2nd in line behind myself when this thing comes out. For those who think this car is over priced, let me tell you, for those who can easily afford the car, the performance #'s have not fallin on deaf ears and blind eyes.

I've driven in alot of performace cars and the 911 Turbo is DOWNRIGHT SCARY FAST, the acceleration will make you have a bowel movement, if this GTR is even a hair quicker than the current 911 than it will be a great victory for the consumer. Lets stop the hating and be happy that Nissan finally decided to bring this vehicle stateside. Finally a sportscar with supercar performance with a reasonable price tag.

I'm not here to shit on the Z06, I respect the Z06. I think that the Z06 is an awesome car, its just as scary but, its a TRACK car. It belongs on a track, not on the street. When I drove one and I started hitting the reflectors on the highway at 110 Mph I felt like I was on a motorcycle. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, its that feeling that the car could lose control any minute. The 911 gives you alot more confidence and so will the GTR. Besides the fact that I typically hate american cars, RWD just doesn't compare with AWD and the adjustable suspension settings that the GTR can offer you. To each his own but I'll stick to the GTR V-spec even if it did cost me 20 Grand extra.

I owned a 2005 C6 Z51 Corvette and it was a great car - nice looks, plenty of features, and a fine car for lap days at the local track. I am sure the C6 Z06 is even better at the track as I have watched a number zoom by me on the straights on other lapping days when I drove my Cayman S and my Lotus Elise. I have put a deposit down on a GTR (I know, the official pre-orders start in January 2008) because it looks like it will be a great car to drive. We should all feel fortunate to be around in this age of a wide selection of great cars to drive from many manufactures. Enjoy your own favorites, but be adult about the fact that many other cars are also great fun. That is why some really rich guys own dozens or even hundreds of cars.

"The GT-R weighs 3800 LBS......OMG....that a lot"
it could be better if it loses some pounds!!!

wow..
increadible...

just order one of these incredible machine. regardless of it's weight,it kick butts of production sports car of all make and at any price. Might not be as entertaining to drive as a GT3 ( my other toy ), but, for everyday driving on the road, a little less challenging might not be all bad.

just order one of these incredible machine. regardless of it's weight,it kick butts of production sports car of all make and at any price. Might not be as entertaining to drive as a GT3 ( my other toy ), but, for everyday driving on the road, a little less challenging might not be all bad.

buk ,

this madchine far sur passes the v- spec models by far but how ever i thin that they over looked the potential of a in line six cyclinder, futher more this car looks awsome. but it changed the look of the skyline to much . but i wish the R34 came with this much litres it would probably blow the competion away.

Come on guys, I own one and it is an incredible machine it has everything, power is awesome the interior is more than I expected from Nissan. What else left I enjoy driving it everyday but I have to admit that I have to get used first to people that keep staring on me all the time.

All the best to you all.

Ra3y_Datsun
Abu Dhabi
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