According to Honda's top powertrain engineer, Kenichi Nagahiro, Honda is working on a diesel powertrain for its beloved Civic Type R.
The Civic Type R D will most likely be powered by the same 2.2L diesel engine that we will see in the Accord next year.
"As long as it is in keeping with the Type-R brand we will do it." he told Autocar. "But high revving has to be part of it and that's what we're working on."
The final output of the diesel powered Civc Type R is rumored to have around 180 horsepower and 320 lb-ft. of torque.
Who knows if we will ever see it on these shores, since we don't even have the regular Civic Type R. Tear.
Full Story: Autocar
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""As long as it is in keeping with the Type-R brand we will do it." he told Autocar. "But high revving has to be part of it and that's what we're working on.""
..............riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I hate to remind him that it's very tough to get a diesel to be reliable and rev much higher than 5,000 rpms.
Posted by Remy LeBeau | October 23, 2007 6:46 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 18:46
"The final output of the diesel powered Civc Type R is rumored to have around 180 horsepower and 320 lb-ft. of torque."
320 lb ft of torque? I doubt it. Maybe 230. But a 2.2L diesel isn't gonna put out 320 lb ft without some serious turbocharging.
Posted by FITCamaro | October 23, 2007 7:05 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 19:05
There are almost no non-turbo charged diesels being put in passenger cars now, so one or two turbos would definitely be included.
I would think that this car would be highly unlikely to make it to the US. A huge percentage of cars sold in Europe are turbo diesels, but none of them are available here.
Posted by Hoopla | October 23, 2007 7:49 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 19:49
320 lb-ft of torques is not that far-fetched. The twin-turbo engine in the BMW 535d is a 3.0L that makes 413 lb-ft. the specific output of that engine is 137 lb-ft/L, scale that to a 2.2L engine and you get 302lb-ft, which is pretty close to the 320 they are aiming for.
Posted by e36Jeff | October 23, 2007 9:35 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 21:35
heh. You're quoting power figures for a turbo engine vs. a non-turbo engine. Like comparing oranges and goats.
Honda's engine is not going to be turbo. I'll tell you that right now. Honda doesn't get down like that.
The real question is: how high is it gonna rev?
How awesome is a honda diesel engine gonna be? :)
Posted by Neptronix | October 23, 2007 9:49 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 21:49
Good or Bad doesn't matter to anyone in the US... We haven't ever had the Civic Type-R grace our continent.
320 lb/ft does sound a bit lofty without a turbo though, and 180 hp sounds too low to be turbo charged.
WTF kind of wacky tech are they using to get those kind of ratios??
Posted by Gary | October 23, 2007 9:53 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 21:53
Heres a quote about the current 2.2 diesel:
"The 2.2-litre i-CTDi engine produces 138bhp at 4000rpm and an impressive 250lb ft of torque from as little as 2000rpm"
http://world.honda.com/HDTV/news/2003-4030226_1a/
It is a turbo BTW.....
Posted by Gary | October 23, 2007 9:58 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 21:58
I would say that it's probably 320Nm and someone got their units mixed up along the way, (converts to ~236someformofimpericalunits).
Could be a very interesting short stroke diesel though.
Posted by charlie | October 23, 2007 10:28 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 22:28
My E300 D has a redline Rev @6000 RPM. I am sure Honda can do something like that. Infact, all Mercedes diesel can be reved high, and will still last 350k-400k easily. My dodge cummins diesel redline @ 3000 RPM but it can put out 1000 lb/ft with the right equipments on it (its stock is 650 lb/ft)! Diesel is the future! the US don't want it because it is too efficient and last too long. Look up dodge/mercedes diesel on youtube for some real whooping vs gas.
Posted by noblekitty | October 23, 2007 10:46 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 22:46
If it's a small diesel going into a car, I guarantee you that it will be turbocharged. Just look at any european diesel, every single modern diesel in a car is turbod, VW, BMW, Mercedes, they're all turbo. Chances are Honda will do the same. since a small diesel will not put out that much power unless its turbod.
Posted by CS | October 23, 2007 11:11 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 23:11
"Honda's engine is not going to be turbo. I'll tell you that right now. Honda doesn't get down like that."
I don't know of a single street vehicle made these days that's a diesel and isn't turbocharged.
"320 lb/ft does sound a bit lofty without a turbo though, and 180 hp sounds too low to be turbo charged."
........you do realize that diesels normally get way less hp per liter than a gasoline engine, right? That's with turbocharging too.
Posted by Remy LeBeau | October 23, 2007 11:22 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 23:22
Honda with torque? hard to even imagine...
Posted by SVT | October 23, 2007 11:49 PM
Posted on October 23, 2007 23:49
Well if anyone can pull it off its Honda. Who puts more engines in Indy Cars than any other manufacturer? And who knows high revs like Honda does?
Posted by Allen | October 24, 2007 12:34 AM
Posted on October 24, 2007 00:34
It will be turbo charged since one of the big reason that manufacturers went to turbos was not only for the extra power but also to control emissions. Without a turbo a diesel probably wouldnt even be able to pass current emission standards. Turbos are key in controlling the smoke.
Posted by SAR | October 24, 2007 1:07 AM
Posted on October 24, 2007 01:07
You KNOW they won't sell it in the US. Lawyers & stupid people just keep sucking the life out of everything.
Posted by Dan | October 24, 2007 6:54 AM
Posted on October 24, 2007 06:54
Neptronix: http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/reviews/t-cleanmpg-previews-the-2007-honda-civic-icdti-s-22l-turbo-diesel-5269.html
And you were saying...?
Posted by ryan | October 24, 2007 9:41 AM
Posted on October 24, 2007 09:41
Just to make it clear. YOU CANT high rev a diesel engine (running on regular diesel, of corse). Its against the principle that make it works. The combustion is espontaneous and take a minimal time. you cant hurry that. it probably wont break easy, but it starts to go down on the power curve, so, whats the point?!!
That said, you cant get high volume efficiente (bhp/liter) with non turbo diesels. So if its a small car, it will be turbo. end of question. (unless you think they will put a 8 liter v10 on it)
Al modern develops for diesel engines are based on using turbos, very high pressure direct injection for example. that is what made possible to get the very powerful diesel engines we have today.
Posted by Rafael Fernandes | October 24, 2007 5:59 PM
Posted on October 24, 2007 17:59
"Honda's engine is not going to be turbo. I'll tell you that right now. Honda doesn't get down like that."
have you ever heard of the Acura RDX? I-4 turbo engine, made by Honda. All of Hondas current diesel engines are turbos, as is pratically every diesel engine out there, they would be incredibly stupid to not turbo a diesel engine, in fact I would not be surprised to find 2 turbos on it.
Posted by e36_Jeff | October 25, 2007 12:02 AM
Posted on October 25, 2007 00:02
@ryan
Pretty impressive. I ony hope the Honda brings this technology to these shores soon.
Posted by longdxcommuter | October 25, 2007 5:17 PM
Posted on October 25, 2007 17:17