I'd be interested to sales broken down by country of origin. Domestic/non domestic is not as interesting.

These aren't really domestic companies anyway. They don't seem to have any loyalty to me, or to the country. The vehicles they have been building do great harm to our interests and national security. 25 million barrels a day most of it imported. Their managment's have seemingly been trying to destroy themselves, with much success. I have lobbied my whole lifetime for cars built with intelligence and purpose and what do we get. They always try to foist just one more gimmick on to the public. GM is still trying to sell the same cars they built 60 years ago.

"Domestic automakers claim that some of their sales declines are due to the fact that they are reducing the number of sales to rental fleets."

I would cry foul on that one, as the imports don't really have fleet sales.

On another note, I would like to see a list of where each companies particular cars are made, and how much profit each company made.

"GM is still trying to sell the same cars they built 60 years ago."

Whatever you say, it must be true. For you are the Almighty One. All bow to Biil and his infiinite wiisdom. :/

Don't take that one too seriously, Biil. They've got problems, but that isn't one of them.

Its funny, all the Domestic manufactures cryed about american workers and their unions, and their high wages, so out comes nafta. They all picked up shop and moved north and south of the borders, just what all the worker unions were afraid of.

Meanwhile all the Foreign automakers came in and built plants of their own in the US to avoid all the shipping and import taxes.

Now the Domestic car quality has continued to get worse, and Foreign car companies continue with decent quality...obviously has nothing to do with "japan" or "german" vs "us" workers but we already knew that.

Its all a management problem.

Some how Domestic cars didn't get any cheaper, even though the labor costs were cut significantly. In addition, they started to put cheaper and cheaper materials into their cars. 1 look at the interior inside a caliber is all you need to drive that point home. Yet we're still paying more than 15000 for a bargin basement car. Can't be inflation, its been virtually non existant for years.

The domestics refuse to compete, they moved to increase margin to offset less sales, they put in cheaper materials, again to increase margin to offset lower sales. They cried to congress to try and get subsidies because they won't compete. Maybe when they hit a combined 25% they will wake up. Even Hyundai and Kia are bringing better cars, with more equipment at a lower price than the Domestics. Why can every other manufacturer do this?

So I say buy foreign, they're the ones giving us what we want, at a cheaper price, and more foreign cars are built in the US than Domestic cars so we're keeping ourselves employed, instead of the mexicans, and canadians.

Alexvrb:
"GM is still trying to sell the same cars they built 60 years ago."

Whatever you say, it must be true. For you are the Almighty One. All bow to Biil and his infiinite wiisdom. :/

Don't take that one too seriously, Biil. They've got problems, but that isn't one of them.

OK Alex maybe 50 years ago but what I meant is they mainly want to sell you a truck based vehicle wich is [body on frame constuction with a pushrod V8]. Pretty much meets the discription of a 57 Chevy. The V8 in both are almost identical except for fuel injection and modern ignition. Both of wich were forced on them by government pollution standards.

I am going to cut an paste the response mf gave and use it in 90% of my posts here and in other forums.
Well said my man (or woman?), well said.

Just one word of advice, don't completely absolve unions for the position the US automakers are in, they need to shoulder some blame too.

Bill, please name a full-size truck that is not Body-on-Frame construction.
A truck needs to be strong and fairly ridged (If actually used as a truck and not a street queen). Body-on-Frame is the best way to get this. A unitised body would just treak when a load is added.

Also, in 1957 they had Vortec? News to me.

GM has been improving quality alot and now are on par with Toyota. The problem GM has is there are alot of people that wont give them a chance to prove it. I understand why, 25k for a vehicle is alot and why gamble when all your bitter grandfathers are talking about how GM was garbage in the late 70's - mid-80's.

If you remember correctly GM was the FIRST brand company to offer a form of injection in the US. I forget what year it was but some old Corvettes had a mechanical injection.

I have a 06 Silverado 1500 and a 1972 GMC 2500. The differences between these two trucks are night and day (I know a 1/2 vs. 3/4 ton are alot but I'm talking mechanically there is truely no similarties). The only thing that is actually similar between the 2 is that they are made by GM. The engines are both powerful, but the 06 gets over triple the mileage, and the 06 is considerably lighter and much more dependable.

My Point: GM has a major image problem and are trying to let people know that they are not the same old GM. Hense the 100k drivetrain warranty.

As for the others, Dodge is Ok, they need to get rid of the gas guzzling "Hemi's", I think Dodge has an image of horrible mileage and haven't done alot to change that image.
And Ford is just dieing, with a boycott, bad management and all the other problems against them including quality and design, I can't see them making a comeback. But this is America and anything is jsut about possible.

The Unions took advantage when GM had a HUGE market share and could afford the contracts they made. As times have changed the contracts are no longer viable. What really blows me away is the Union not flexing more. Whats better people keeping a 25/hour job tightening bolts and the company fails in a few years. Or taking a pay cut to 10/hour for the same work and having that job for years to come. Basically reasonable pay for the work or unemployment, which would you prefer.

With Ford falling as bad as they are I'm not surprised of what this article says, Dodge lost sales too.

With Toyota's quality slipping and the designs are nasty, these #'s will change.

All the major car companies have fleet contracts. Go to an Enterprise or Budget rental car lots. They have a variety of cars and trucks now, I rented a car a few months ago and had a choice between a Colorado, an F150, a Titan, or a Tacoma.

You are right GM does have a major image problem. I know after my horrible experiences I just will never again gamble my money into the godawful GM company again.

I've had 4 prior vehicles by GM and 1 Ford. The Ford Tempo, which was my 1st car experienced far less trouble that the much more newer GM vehicles that i ended up paying up to $7000 average on each car to fix issues that were not due to misuse/abuse, neglect, or standard maintenance. No an alternator failing every 7K-19K miles or other misc expensive issues such as a map sensor, head gasket repair, rod bearings, electrical systems, ECU, failing O2 sensors at below 68K mikes should not be considered standard maintenance. My car that i am driving now, a used 98 Infiniti i30 (Rebadged Nissan Maxima) that i bough used at 90K miles has proven to me that GM does not know the meaning of the term reliability or quality. I am still driving my i30 with 278K miles on it and it still runs the same as when i first bought it. The only non standard maintenance issue I had was a corroded battery terminal which i had replaced myself.

If GM can EVER manage to be this reliable then i might be even willing to drive into one of their car lots and go for a test drive. I still don't think i will ever buy one mostly because my faith in them as a domestic automaker has been shattered, which cannot be repaired.

MF could possibly have the worst insight/ideas in this entire post. "Inflation has been virtually non-existant for years?" Are you on crack? Inflation has been STEADILY rising for years.

Toyota has six plants in the US. That means that they're whipping out the same amount of output (if not more) than GM with an almost non-existent fraction of the plants? Amazing.

The domestic automakers began building plants in Canada and Mexico after NAFTA because unions undermine equilibrium. They drive up costs and hinder productivity, which is then passed on the consumer by means of higher prices and lower quality.

More foreign cars are not built in the United States. That's a stupid thing to say, and you're a stupid person for saying it.

I'm all for liberty, but get your facts straight before you go on persuading retards to see it your way. Foreign or domestic, just understand the economics of the situation.

MF could possibly have the worst insight/ideas in this entire post. "Inflation has been virtually non-existant for years?" Are you on crack? Inflation has been STEADILY rising for years.

Toyota has six plants in the US. That means that they're whipping out the same amount of output (if not more) than GM with an almost non-existent fraction of the plants? Amazing.

The domestic automakers began building plants in Canada and Mexico after NAFTA because unions undermine equilibrium. They drive up costs and hinder productivity, which is then passed on the consumer by means of higher prices and lower quality.

More foreign cars are not built in the United States. That's a stupid thing to say, and you're a stupid person for saying it.

I'm all for liberty, but get your facts straight before you go on persuading retards to see it your way. Foreign or domestic, just understand the economics of the situation.