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Honda has just announced that the Mugen version of the Honda Civic Si will be sold on our shores this fall. Although the car has a modified body, suspension and new wheels the car has been criticized for not having any real performance gains over the regular Civic Si. Well if you live in Japan you can actually buy a more powerful Civic from your local Honda dealer.
On September 13th Honda is going to release another version of the Civic dubbed the Honda Civic Type RR, in Japan. Japan already has a more powerful version of the Civic that we don't get here in the US, the Civic Type-R. The Type-R is already more powerful than our Si model with 225HP and 158 lb-ft of torque. The new Type RR version will come with even more power at 240HP and 160 lb-ft of torque. The estimated 0-60 mph time for the more powerful version is 5.8 sec.
The RR version of the Civic is 22lbs lighter and gets a dual exhaust system. The car also has a modified suspension and braking system thanks to Mugen.
So what is the catch? Well the car lists for $40,000! Honda has stated that the Civic Si Mugen that we are getting this fall will start just shy of $30,000. Well $40,000 probably would be too much for a Civic, even if it has 43 more horsepower than the regular Si version. That probably explains why Honda is only going to make 300 of these cars and in only one color, red.
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Comments (43)
I wonder if this car will be sold as an Acura or a Honda, since it has the JDM styling that is actually the Acura CSX here in Canada. Maybe we'll get both?
Posted by neko | August 6, 2007 1:56 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 01:56
2nd paragraph,
"On September 13th Honda is going to release another version of the Civic dubbed the Honda Civic Type RR, IN JAPAN."
Of course it's going to be JDM.
Posted by AA | August 6, 2007 2:28 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 02:28
Acura does not exist in Japan so it will be a Honda.
And the RR stands for Really Retarded. Since thats what you'd have to be to pay $40,000 for a Civic. You can get such a better car than a Civic for that kind of money its not even funny.
OOOOO....22 lbs lighter and a dual exhaust system.....because that little 4 banger needs dual exhaust. A 2.5" single pipe would be more than enough. It's probably just a split at the muffler design anyway but still.
Posted by David | August 6, 2007 7:17 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 07:17
Why?
Posted by Darmok | August 6, 2007 7:56 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 07:56
Fools. Most guys with decent mechanical ability can build a car that will crush this one for 1/3 of the cost.
Posted by Dan | August 6, 2007 8:00 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 08:00
You don't even need mechanical ability. An STI which is $10,000 less than this will crush it. Or an Evo. Or a GTO.
Hell, a stock early 4th gen LT1 Fbody that you can pick up for $5000-7000 will crush it. Much less an LS1 Fbody.
Posted by David | August 6, 2007 9:48 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 09:48
Acura will exist in Japan shortly, I think it's going to launch this year, 09 at the latest. The funny thing is that some people in Japan actually swap H's for A's, while most USDM people switch their A's for H's.
If honda can ever get the performance/price ratio right with any of their cars, I may purchse another one some day.
Unless it has AWD and 240hp it's nowhere near worth $30k let alone $40k.
Posted by Gary | August 6, 2007 10:26 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 10:26
maby 40,000 yen ?no way is 240 hp FWD Civic going to go for 40K american. thats a rip off...
Posted by dennisil | August 6, 2007 11:09 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 11:09
what 40k for a piece of plastic im keeping my steal ford
Posted by rob | August 6, 2007 11:15 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 11:15
$40,000 for a Honda Civic? They must be smoking something to charge that much. Here's a thought, pay $18,000 for a VW, add a $600 dollar pcm upgrade and have a nice 250HP european ride along with $20,000 in the bank. I can't ever see spending $40,000 for a Honda, maybe for an Acura but definitley not for a Honda and definitely not for a Civic.
Posted by Clayton | August 6, 2007 11:20 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 11:20
Sure Clayon,
Until your engine blows up from the boost.
Yes, I've seen it happen. You need more than a chip upgrade.
And dennisil 40,000 yen is around $4000 USD.
Posted by David | August 6, 2007 11:45 AM
Posted on August 6, 2007 11:45
GUYS!! Please remember that only 300 of these are going to be produced - and in a similar fashion of the Mugen Civic, I'll bet Honda already has deposits on all 300 already. This will be a collectors car because of the small production, you guys may say it's retarded, but I'll bet this civic will at least maintain value if not appreciate - unlike your WRX, EVO, VWs...
Anyway - it's a small run production car just so Honda can say they did it. Don't get so worked up about it, you'll never get to ride in one anyway....
Posted by jon | August 6, 2007 12:01 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 12:01
Very few people will pay $30K for a Civic, what makes Honda think that people will pay $40K? Hell, for that cash I'd probably go looking at an Infiniti G37 coupe, a BMW 335i (not many options here though), or something like the Saturn Sky Red Line (with about $8K left for mods, a new cell phone, and a giant LCD or Plasma TV).
Posted by Jason Litka | August 6, 2007 12:12 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 12:12
By that moto it would be ok for Dodge to make a 280 HP SRT and charge $40k for it. Just because its a limited production car doesn't mean it's priced properly.
Honda/Acura have lost their minds lately. And this is coming from someone who owned 2 civics and am currently driving my second of 2 Integra GSR's.
Even if I had money to waste, I wouldn't waste it on this thing.
Clayton: Even with 250HP that VW would have a hard time keeping up with anything else, all VW's are over weight and under powered.
Posted by Gary | August 6, 2007 12:12 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 12:12
"This will be a collectors car because of the small production"
How about the VDub R32, with all wheel drive, 240hp V6, LIMITED PRODUCTION, and it costs over 7 grand less than this red monstrosity.
Posted by Al V | August 6, 2007 12:18 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 12:18
david your a prick, of course i was kidding.. get bent.
Posted by dennisil | August 6, 2007 12:58 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 12:58
You silly idiots!!! Stop comparing a car that won't even be sold in the States and is designed and directed for a market with different automotive culture and taste. Does the fact that the production number for this car is 300 ring a bell in your empty skulls!!! Its more of a collector's item or track machine than a large production daily driver. So spend more time thinking before writing garbage comments and making fools out of yourselves.
Posted by Stu | August 6, 2007 3:35 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 15:35
40,000 bucks for a fwd 4-door with only 240hp??? I'll pass
Posted by Jason | August 6, 2007 4:01 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 16:01
The article above is somewhat vague. You have to remember that the yen is stronger than the dollar, and while I, like most people on here would not pay $40K for the Civic, the Japanese will and so who cares. The only real reaction Honda cares about is the Japanese...who will be the only ones able to buy it. I remember getting my hopes up when Ford first put out the pricing and specs on the "limited production" Shelby Cobra/GT500. They made it sound like it was going to be affordable to the masses. Afterall, it was just a modified Mustang. What happened? The rich people jumped all over and the real price was a $50K - $100K Mustang that no working person could get (even if you could find one).
Posted by Mike M | August 6, 2007 4:08 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 16:08
Maybe $3,000 in a Mopar Stage 1 Turbo Upgrade and some suspension mods , I would be able to blow its doors off acceration, top speed, cornering wise with my PT Cruiser GT (MSRP $23,000, 220 HP 245 Lbs/ft torque, Stock)
Posted by Mark | August 6, 2007 4:13 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 16:13
But then you're stuck with an overpriced PT Cruiser....which is worse???
Posted by jon | August 6, 2007 5:04 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 17:04
Would all the rednecks with their "steal Fords" and "Mopar PT Cruisers" shut the hell up!
As it's been said before, it's a collectors item, no different than the limited edition Mustangs. I don't hear the rednecks dogging on the "white trash Ferraris" about how a supercharged vette would run all over it? And being a collectors item, it will probably appreciate in value, unlike EVERY OTHER car on the road.
That turbo PT cruiser will be worth half of what you overpaid for it in a few years time, and good luck reselling it to someone. And how long do those non-forged internals last under boost? Let alone increased boost.
And lastly, most younger Japs have tons of cash with nothing better to spend their money on than electronics, clothes and cars.
Posted by Noya | August 6, 2007 7:09 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 19:09
as the article stated you won't be given a chance to buy this car since the 300 red quickish gas-saver-wannabes will be picked up by well off Japanese Honda enthusiasts. so quit complaining.
same deal with Z06... named by one magazine the performance steal of the decade...beats more expensive cars test after test.
but when someone wants to have the fastest factory produced honda with production of just 300 pieces it'll be a collector's piece more than anything else.
again buy the EvoX, save cash and smoke the joker that threw his money on that junker
Posted by civics a joke | August 6, 2007 9:11 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 21:11
i meant fastest production honda CIVIC ever...my bad
Posted by civics a joke: | August 6, 2007 9:17 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 21:17
You could always buy a Honda S2000 for 5000 less than the civic, have a sportier car with the same HP and has a higher coolness factor. I bet most people would rather have the S2000 than the Civic anyway. If you really want to be different, buy an old Volvo 240 turbo for about $3000 or less, throw a couple of thousand into the motor, and have a classic car that can beat up your friend's turbo whatamacallit. I've actually seen an old Volvo 240 turbo wipe it's ass with a souped up Dodge SRT at the drags. When was the last time you seen that happen. Talk about limited edition.
Posted by Clayton | August 6, 2007 11:32 PM
Posted on August 6, 2007 23:32
hi all,awfully over-priced.... go for a evo instead.... love hondas?? go for the s2000.....
Posted by Revhard | August 7, 2007 5:55 AM
Posted on August 7, 2007 05:55
To Mike M. Are you on crack??? The yen is stronger than the dollar??????????????? Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wasn't it just mentioned that 40,000 yen is worth only about $4000.????????? Obviously there is probably a more accurate number but the yen is significantly undervalued compared to the Dollar. I don't know what you're smoking bro but you should pass that shiznit around!
Posted by Mike M what? | August 7, 2007 11:11 AM
Posted on August 7, 2007 11:11
$30k for si and $40k for type rr. Has Honda seriously lost touch with reality? I'll wait and pray for the Nissan sport concept to become production. At around $20k it'll be a steal.
Posted by Tai | August 7, 2007 2:25 PM
Posted on August 7, 2007 14:25
Don't we all remember the NSX type R? You paid all that extra money for what, a japanese engineer's wet dream? A switch that lowers the antenna half way because it's "more aerodynamic"? Shifter cover that's made of a light weight cloth to save the .03 grams?
But Wow, I've never seen so many people over-react about a limited production vehicle before. Basically, if only 300 or so are available, this basically means it's not a car for sale to the public. In other words, who actually cares what it costs? This happens more than you might care to pay attention to. If you're spending $40k on a ultra-limited edition civic, you probably don't care that it costs $40k. Heck, if you can even get yourself on the list of 300 who will get it, you really don't care.
We see this in other markets all of the time. In any market that has enthusiasts, you'll always see some limited edition monstrosity that costs a lot more and is only a few percent better or faster. We see this in the computer world all of the time. Limited edition or 'extreme edition' processors that cost 2x as much as the next closest model, and only get you about 2% to 6% increased speed. And people buy them knowing full well that in 6 months a 'regular' processor will be just as fast.
It's called marketing and PR. They do it because they can and as proof of concept. And to show off to the press corps 'hey look we can make really quick civics'.
Posted by Scotty | August 8, 2007 11:52 AM
Posted on August 8, 2007 11:52
Scotty, we really don't see this in the computer world. Extreme Edition CPUs usually are at least SOMEWHAT available (to use your own words, available to the public), and if they're not, they will become available soon after release. This car is only having a handful built, ever, and once they're sold, they're gone. Plus its not even really all that powerful, especially for the money.
It would be like having a Super Edition Athlon X2 3.25Ghz chip that costs $1000, but there's only 500 of them!!! Meanwhile, in Intel land, you can get a Core 2 Duo that will destroy it for way less money. But it's OK, because its a rare special edition with a gold plated heatspreader! ZOMG!
If they really wanted to make a rare super-limited-production Civic that was worth 40K, they should have dropped in custom-built engines with MUCH better numbers than this. As it stands now, not only is it collector-only, but its not even good for bragging about to anyone that isn't an AMD, err, Honda nut. A Nismo fan is going to collapse on the floor laughing if you tell him how much you paid for the super-rare but-still-not-powerful Civic.
Posted by Alexvrb | August 9, 2007 8:35 PM
Posted on August 9, 2007 20:35
Mark im hoping you are joking...
Maybe $3,000 in a Mopar Stage 1 Turbo Upgrade and some suspension mods , I would be able to blow its doors off acceration, top speed, cornering wise with my PT Cruiser GT (MSRP $23,000, 220 HP 245 Lbs/ft torque, Stock)
I hope you realise how poorly designed that PT cruiser is. and NO matter how many suspension mods you put on that car, it will never be able to handle better than that civic, and youd have to be out of your mind to even think about spending a cent on one, its a grandmas vehicle, and engineered for one too, someone who drives slow, and never pushes the limit, because after a few times its mechanical solidity would vastly decrease. Why do any of you think that american cars are cheaper ? because its the ONLY reason why anyone would buy them over a japanese car, and this is starting to fail for them if you havent noticed their market shares continuing to decline. And this whole argument of "oh you can buy this car and modify it to be faster" is completly bogus, you can say that about any car, even 200 000 ferrari's. I guess you can continue to be a fan of sloppy engineering built for sloppy ppl who cant tell the difference.
Posted by Mike | August 26, 2007 7:26 PM
Posted on August 26, 2007 19:26
Mark im hoping you are joking...
Maybe $3,000 in a Mopar Stage 1 Turbo Upgrade and some suspension mods , I would be able to blow its doors off acceration, top speed, cornering wise with my PT Cruiser GT (MSRP $23,000, 220 HP 245 Lbs/ft torque, Stock)
I hope you realise how poorly designed that PT cruiser is. and NO matter how many suspension mods you put on that car, it will never be able to handle better than that civic, and youd have to be out of your mind to even think about spending a cent on one, its a grandmas vehicle, and engineered for one too, someone who drives slow, and never pushes the limit, because after a few times its mechanical solidity would vastly decrease. Why do any of you think that american cars are cheaper ? because its the ONLY reason why anyone would buy them over a japanese car, and this is starting to fail for them if you havent noticed their market shares continuing to decline. And this whole argument of "oh you can buy this car and modify it to be faster" is completly bogus, you can say that about any car, even 200 000$ ferrari's. I guess you can continue to be a fan of sloppy engineering built for sloppy ppl who cant tell the difference.
Posted by Mike | August 26, 2007 7:27 PM
Posted on August 26, 2007 19:27
This peace of shit car sucks in my opinion. Honda will never compare to the Evo or STI. A civic will be a civic and if Honda wants to get creative they should instead try a four-wheel drive instead of boring front, two wheel drive. Civic RR for Really Repulsive
Posted by Harry | January 8, 2008 1:01 AM
Posted on January 8, 2008 01:01
what the fuck does it even matter
Posted by yea | January 12, 2008 3:38 AM
Posted on January 12, 2008 03:38
I think it looks great. It will most likely handle very well compared to other FWD compact sedans. Honda knows how to create a thrilling driving experience. I no longer own an Si, but I loved driving it when I had it.
The quality is always the benchmark. The sound of the engine kicking over at 5KRPMs is phenomenal. Not to mention its the smoothest 4 banger in the bus. The shifter is snickety snick preceise and quick.
There's a reason for a car to have over 35 year model run. Its got alot of enthusiasts as well. Like someone said, all 300 are already sold before they hit the showrooms, and not available to the US.
Posted by Victor M | February 7, 2008 12:43 PM
Posted on February 7, 2008 12:43
i think its worth it... i personally dont have that kind of money to spend on a car; but if i had an excess of money (and since i am i fan of honda and the civic) then why not. Honda is probably charging this price because alot of research and work went into the design and manufacturing of this car and in order to turn a profit with such a low number of units for sale the price needs to be this high....also it doesnt hurt that japan is full of rich honda enthusiast that dont care about shoving out 40k to drive the most powerful stock civic si.........but for me im happy with my '07 si
Posted by chris | March 3, 2008 9:27 PM
Posted on March 3, 2008 21:27
brilliant CAR!!!!
Posted by HARRY ANDERSON | March 20, 2008 4:29 AM
Posted on March 20, 2008 04:29
i love this car, it looks great and runs pretty good. i would buy because of the style and the color, goes hand in hand(also to beat my friends srt-4). if only they had this car here in california i would so buy it, but since they dont, im very comfortable with my 2008 SI.
Posted by Javier | March 20, 2008 5:32 PM
Posted on March 20, 2008 17:32
I simply hate you guys. Don't ever compare an Honda (natural aspirated 243hp ) with Turbos, for some people Honda is Honda and nothing else matters. Here in Puerto Rico we love to see how all motor 4 cylinder cars brake turbos bullsh%^&. This is a real car, Honda produce it and Mugen support it. you just don't realize that Honda is proven, everyone want's a K20...
Posted by osky | April 6, 2008 1:00 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 01:00
You people aren't getting the picture. They are only producing 300 of these in japan. So for 40,000 dollars, you are getting a good deal where the value will skyrocket in the future. The chances of even seeing one on the road is a million to 1. This car is a beauty too. I would pay 40k if i had the money
Posted by Chris | May 5, 2008 6:22 AM
Posted on May 5, 2008 06:22
I am one of 300 Mugen RR owner and I don't regret even for a moment in owning this car. Stating the obvious but it's purely a choice of the consumer and if you want it you will pay the price, and if you don't just don't buy it.
Do note that this is the first ever complete Mugen factory car and select Honda dealer in Japan can offer this car, which includes specific training my Mugen for sale/maintain of this car. Considering, any replacement parts for RR are being strictly controlled by Mugen and each order must accompany dealer and owner confirmation before Mugen would distribute the parts. Yes, it's exclusive and I believe the cost comes along with the exclusiveness as well.
Last but not least, for those who are whining and moaning about how other cars are better in performace/cost but for sure I don't want to be seen on the race track with PT Cruiser as I will be the laughing stock for the day on the race track. And for Clayton, we did a pro-driver test comparing between Civic R/RR and S2000 standard/Type S (Japan model) and unfortunately both S2000 models were left behing by RR and even by the factory standard Civic Type R so not sure if 5,000 less for S2000 is better or worse.
Posted by RR Owner | May 24, 2008 5:16 PM
Posted on May 24, 2008 17:16
YOU GUYS CAN SAY ENUTHING YOU WANT-BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE IN AMERICA ONLY RACE STRAIGHT FORWARD (1/4 MILE) OR IN CIRCLES (NASCAR) I WOULD DOUBT THE FIRST ONE INVOLVES ANY SKILL MORE THAN MONEY AND BEING ABLE TO PRESS THE GAS. MAYBE YOU SHOULD MORE RESEARCH HOW THIS 40$ CAR WOULD SPANK ANY CAR LISTED ABOVE IN FOR EXAMPLE ANY REAL TRACK, WITH LOTS OF CORNERS AND TWIST. CHECK OUT TSKUBA CARS OR TOUGE RUN (YOUTUBE WILL SHOW U THESE) IM WONDERING WHY THERE CARS LIKE THAT CIVIC DO WAY BETTER THAN STOCK EVO STI , GTO WOULD NOT PROBABLY EVEN COUNT.... SO CHECK REAL PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS HOW THEY DRIVE THIS CAR AND THAN SPEAK. BY THE WAY IF YOU THINK THAT 40$ IS TOO MUCH, WELL THIS CAR IN 10 YEARS WILL BE WORTH 35$ WHILE GTO (50000$ CAR IN JUST LESS THAN 2 YEARS IS WORTH LESS THAN HALF) AND HONDA ENGINES AND TRANSMISSIONS ARE SOO MUCH BETTER THAN GTO... OR AMERICAN
Posted by SI GUY | September 25, 2008 8:09 AM
Posted on September 25, 2008 08:09
Fuck my ass !
Posted by Paccheco | October 11, 2008 2:02 PM
Posted on October 11, 2008 14:02