2009 Lincoln MKS Sedan Will Debut Ford's TwinForce Engine Technology...The New Sedan Will Put Out 415HP

Twin Force, what a stupid market spin for bi-turbo. Just don't put that cheesy name on the car, please. Biturbo is great though.

Why they don't just ditch the Duratec V-6 and build something like Infiniti's 3.5 VQ engine, smoother and more powerful?

Isn't "Bi-Turbo" already being used by Audi? Granted, "Twin Force" is on the homosexual side...I'll take a twin turbo V8 any day! A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.

415 out of a 6...I wonder what the MPG is going to be?

Turbo chargers are nothing new...but it IS a way to give everyone what they want. The power hungry will get theirs...and more with a simple computer flash...the green minded will get theirs..as the engines can be made smaller which use less fuel under part throttle conditions.

The MKS just might make me retire my CTS-V.

wait wait Twin Force is on the homo side and Biturbo isn't? lol

if these engines were designed with using twin turbos (unless they are using true dual turbos (small and large types)) then this should put ford into a league of their own, time will certainly tell.

Yawn... i think every other car manufacturer has made Twin turbo setups before.... We've seen Twin charging (super and turbo charging) on missan micras, Twin sequential turbo's on BMW, Toyota, Mazda, etc and most of that was 10 years ago.. this is meirly playing catch up and they definately wont be in a legue of their own.. same stuff, defferent decade... if you want a real twin turbo v8, by a truck or an audi...

I'd be well surprised that an american car manufacturer has actually progressed from Pushrods to OHC and DOHC engines.. oh wait.. they have.. its called a Chevy Monaro and that's Australian anyway... well you might as well just go and my something from the country that invented the Rotary Washing Line (Hills hoist) cause aussie car manufacturing is still 10 years ahead of the US ;)

That said, it must be hard comming up with names that aren't ascociated with other manufacturers, but at the end of the day, whats wrong with good old "twin turbo"...

Yeah, TwinForce is definitely lame. It sounds like something only a die-hard Ford hillbilly would love. When are they going to realize they need to start marketing to the mainstream middle class?

Blessman:
wait wait Twin Force is on the homo side and Biturbo isn't? lol

if these engines were designed with using twin turbos (unless they are using true dual turbos (small and large types)) then this should put ford into a league of their own, time will certainly tell.

FUCKING A MAN!!! haha. thats great! i was wondering when some1 was gonna say that! LMAO. and twin turbo sounds the best btw..

Blessman:
wait wait Twin Force is on the homo side and Biturbo isn't? lol

if these engines were designed with using twin turbos (unless they are using true dual turbos (small and large types)) then this should put ford into a league of their own, time will certainly tell.

FUCKING A MAN!!! haha. thats great! i was wondering when some1 was gonna say that! LMAO. and twin turbo sounds the best btw..

twinforce, bitorbo? you're all gay. why don't you go back to playing with barbies

twin turbo v8....I thought the point of turbos was to get more hp from less displacement. Sure, you can keep the large v8s and turbo them but at what point do they stop "increasing" fuel economy?

At 415hp for a v6...I can't see it getting better then 17-19mpg city and 23-25mpg highway. If that's a legit estimate I don't see it so much as boosting economy as much as kicking the weak v6 in the ass power wise.

Hell, my 2.3L I-4 turbo puts out just a bit more hp then a 3.5L v6 with similar or slightly less economy then the v6. At best, the 2.3L with a turbo has saved some weight and improved handling.

I'm confused as to how they are pushing twin turbos as a way to increase economy.

I'm glad to see Ford getting off their duff and investing in some engine tech. Although it's nothing more than a biturbo I hope they start using weight saving technology aswell and go full circle on their design philosophy.

BMW's 335 is a 3.0 Inline-6 thats a biturbo and it's an absolute monster. Turbo's help to produce TORQUE and biturbos allow for much smaller turbo's so they spool quicker. The result is zero turbo-lag and a healthy amount of low-end torque.

Expect about 29mpg or more. DFI is the key to all of this anyways. But, what really kills me is Fords hillbilly marketing. Why can't they just call it by it's proper name, instead of making up some stupid moniker like TWINFORCE.... lol

-Garrett

The reason they call it TwinForce is because they need to be different. They could call it biturbo, but then it may even be copyright infringement.

Anyway, I'm thinking a V6 with 415 hp is not only going to need premium fuel, but suck lots of it. Not that BMW, Audi and the ilk dont need premium fuel, but still, they will need a whole new V6 powerplant, something like a DOHC Duratec on crack, to make 415 hp.

But if they do it, and keep weight down, its instantly going to catapult them past everyone else. The MKS will make the CTS-V, well it'd still be a hotrod and nothing more, the 3 series will seem bland and the G35 will be a footnote.

I dont imagine they will pull 415 on the production car. But, all the same, its surprised me that Ford is thinking ahead. That they are, 3 years in advance, throwing down the gauntlet at everyone else. Its a daring move: 3 years is a lot of development time for the like of BMW, Audi, Mercedes, and Lexus. In three years, I'd bet they can come up with something competitive. But even if they did, think of the new paradigm: those 4 are now competing against LINCOLN. Where as even now, Lincoln is like a low-class version of them. Thats why they (presently) can charge so much more.

Now I only hope their interior quality is high, and that the suspension is tuned for sporty driving, and that the exterior exudes a more sophisticated look than present Lincolns. The one thing they can do wrong is create a $40,000 car that is more hot-rod than luxury.

MKS is still front wheel drive based rear wheel assist, for that matter along it is not going to be interesting.

"Benagiser:
I'd be well surprised that an american car manufacturer has actually progressed from Pushrods to OHC and DOHC engines.. oh wait.. they have.. its called a Chevy Monaro and that's Australian anyway... well you might as well just go and my something from the country that invented the Rotary Washing Line (Hills hoist) cause aussie car manufacturing is still 10 years ahead of the US ;)"

First off, it's HOLDEN Monaro. Secondly, it's not in production anymore. Thirdly, it WAS a pushrod V8 (6.0L, same as the Corvette). Lastly, don't spew verbal diarrhea if you don't know what the hell you're talking about!

As a side note, the Pontiac GTO ('04-'06) was a rebadged version of the Holden Monaro.

"I'm confused as to how they are pushing twin turbos as a way to increase economy."

Exactly. The only way a smaller, turbocharged engine with the same horsepower as a larger engine gets better fuel economy than the larger engine is if it never gets into the RPM range required for any real boost to build up. Once that happens, fuel economy is gone.

And since most turbo engines are designed for the boost to start kicking in around the 2500 rpm range, its pretty hard to stay under that rpm range.

While they're great for making more power from a smaller engine, they're hardly a way to increase fuel economy. More air requires more fuel. My brothers twin turbo Supra gets a worse fuel economy than my dads Trans Am. Especially on the highway. And both cars are turning around the same RPM on the highway in 6th gear.

Also, the only way a twin turbo V8 is going to make it into the Mustang is in some kind of extremely high priced model. And even if it does, the Mustang still has no traction. Hell in their own commercial they do it on a wet surface. And your wheels hopping on a wet surface with your wheels spinning isn't a good thing. They should be spinning but flat on the ground.

So, we have an article about car engines and the main discussions have been about the sexual orientation of the marketing name for the engine and mindless bloviating from an Aussie who can't type.

As to gas mileage: it's a Lincoln which is an expensive luxury brand. People who buy Lincolns, Mustangs, and giant pick-ups clearly don't care how much they are paying for gasoline. Ford is selling them horsepower and them being able to say that they have a turbocharger, wooooo!

Now, the 4-banger they mentioned for the Fusion would be for a gasoline sensitive audience, so that will be an interesting spec.

Don't forget "TURBO" immediately = $$$$ to insurance companies, it is better for your insurance rates NOT say it's a Turbo car.

Ford is onto a winner here. I just hope that they use the Falcon platform that is under development in Australia to make some RWD cars that handle.

David:
"I'm confused as to how they are pushing twin turbos as a way to increase economy."

Exactly. The only way a smaller, turbocharged engine with the same horsepower as a larger engine gets better fuel economy than the larger engine is if it never gets into the RPM range required for any real boost to build up. Once that happens, fuel economy is gone.

And since most turbo engines are designed for the boost to start kicking in around the 2500 rpm range, its pretty hard to stay under that rpm range.

While they're great for making more power from a smaller engine, they're hardly a way to increase fuel economy. More air requires more fuel. My brothers twin turbo Supra gets a worse fuel economy than my dads Trans Am. Especially on the highway. And both cars are turning around the same RPM on the highway in 6th gear.

You get fuel economy because you only use the power when you need to. Not during idling or cruising speed.
imagine, if you stick a 6.0 liter engine in bad traffic compared to 3.5 ++ liter.
also big displacement engines are inefficient because of the size and weight of its parts.
so if you don't floor your turbo'd engine most of the time, you get fuel economy for the same fun/power.

when you floor the throttle it will still guzzle gas but they wont do that for the epa testing and thats all that hey care about if getting under the new GREEN regulations perty sad that they are not going to reinvent the wheele but rather bolt a turbo to it. in 50 years the worlds maps will need to be re-drawn..

when you floor the throttle it will still guzzle gas but they wont do that for the epa testing and thats all that hey care about is getting under the new GREEN regulations perty sad that they are not going to reinvent the wheele but rather bolt a turbo to it. in 50 years the worlds maps will need to be re-drawn..

Just thought it was odd that nobody mentioned that this car isn't tragic looking for a Lincoln.

"a new dual-clutch six-speed PowerShift gerabox will also debut in the MKS"

This is where most of the fuel economy increase will come from. You also have cylinder shutoff in the new engines. And probably some very high 6th gear ratio to keep rpms down. I bet it will get over 30 on the highway. City mpg will probably still suck though, maybe 20 at best.

A Ford 500 with this sweet motor and properly tuned AWD would be a pretty killer ride, very Audi-esque.

Huh. This might be interesting. Ive been waiting for Ford to use the 3.5l V6 Duratec for a car in the US. I heard speculation that it will be able to get 300HP/Tourqe stock. And also that SVT was making one for the Fusion. I hope the gas mileage does improve but then again they wouldn't be pushing it if it didn't.

And Peanut, the chances that they would use what great cars they have in Australia here are rare. If Ford wanted to show real power instead of economy they would release the Flacon, GT and F6 Typhoon from Australia.

Oh and to you Benagiser, Ford has had OCH and DOHC engines for some time. The ZeTec, used in Contours and Focus until 05, was DOHC and the Duratec, used in Contours, Taurus and the FUsion to name a few, are DOHC. Hell I have a 99 Contour with a 2.5l V6 Duratec that says right on the engine "DOHC".

Now all Ford needs to do is bring over the Mondeo or re start the Contour as it was named here. That would be a killer car with this engine.

OMG 415 hp?? Lexus better watch their ass if they want to compete against this beast! Ford and Lincoln are starting to get serious with their quality, performance, and styling. I mean very serious.

Just wait boys when these same engines and twin turbos are combined with the power of the Sun! No more Ozone polluting vegetable oil run engines. The fuel is in our Oceans, Rivers and Lakes, it's called Hydrogen.

It is very clean burning.

Well hell, you don't have to drill for it. Heh, heh.....

All we have to do is get GM, Chrysler and Ford working together in competition to get it mass produced. Go into partnership with big oil for distribution, get those Hydrogen converters going in tandem with our current electrical grid powersources, hell boys, we could be there in 5 years if the might of this country was unleashed by not taxing success and go to a consumption tax where the amount of tax you pay is in direct proportion to what you spend, not what you make. Untax capital gains, and we'd be on Hydrogen a lot sooner than all the pundits now predict.

Then we won't have to pay tithes to Allah every damn time we fill up. Why give them little b**tards money to kill our boys. Why?

Whew, the 500KR would be a rompin' stompin fire belchin' mutha.

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Father O'Malley

Just wait boys when these same engines and twin turbos are combined with the power of the Sun! No more Ozone polluting vegetable oil run engines. The fuel is in our Oceans, Rivers and Lakes, it's called Hydrogen.

It is very clean burning.

Well hell, you don't have to drill for it. Heh, heh.....

All we have to do is get GM, Chrysler and Ford working together in competition to get it mass produced. Go into partnership with big oil for distribution, get those Hydrogen converters going in tandem with our current electrical grid powersources, hell boys, we could be there in 5 years if the might of this country was unleashed by not taxing success and go to a consumption tax where the amount of tax you pay is in direct proportion to what you spend, not what you make. Untax capital gains, and we'd be on Hydrogen a lot sooner than all the pundits now predict.

Then we won't have to pay tithes to Allah every damn time we fill up. Why give them little b**tards money to kill our boys. Why?

Whew, the 500KR would be a rompin' stompin fire belchin' mutha.

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May God Bless,
Father O'Malley

good,promissing performans numbers,but SHAME on ford ,looks like lexus.

Benagiser
You are a nub, dual turbo does not allways mean two difference sizes, it just means two, period. Compound is usually two sizes with one small feeding another. The Car in Aus is not a Chevy, it is a HOLDEN. GM bought them out years back.

Ford has produced DOHC V8s since the mid 90s FYI. There are also several companies that do multi turbo setups here in the states. Not counting the Veryon we have a VW TDI V10, Ford PS 6.4 (true compound setup, likely to be similar to this gas one), the MB line of bluetec Diesels, also used in the Jeep Cherokee. The Audi TT is a twin setup, two small turbos that are identical.

For the life of me I dont know what toyota or mazda had that was sequention/compound turbo, Mazda had the RX7, but I thougtht it was a twin style...at any rate there is more BS to your reply but at this point I dont care enough to type more...