::splooge:: Anyone know the specs of the v-spec and vanilla version?

~94k for ~530hp?? That's a bit steep in today's market...This isn't a Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo! It's a Nissan!

For a skyline thats not bad. Skylines are tunner cars its not the Stock power you buy them for you buy them because you can push them past 1000 Horse with 1000lbs of torque.

What I want to know is who to I have to Mug to get the money to buy one.

I dont like the body though looks to much like a Z. I like the old ones more. And those you can sometimes find for 20K

The pricing is similar to what Acura is doing as well with the next NSX. If Ford can charge $100K for the GT than Nissan can charge $94k for similar handling and power.

I was going to say that its a shame its not a convertible, but unless I'm looking at it wrong it looks like the roof panel may be removeable. Notice the line on the roof right above the rear side-window pillar?
And unless I'm mistaken in the last photo there seems to be a tiny step visible between the edge of the roof panel and the roof over the rear side window suggesting the roof panel is a separate component that isn't quite aligned..

Niz,

it's not a convertible. no GT-R (well, no skyline for that matter) has ever been a convertible

It's a Nissan!!!! And how does that mean its not worth the money??

The R32 GTR(1989-1994) was banned in Australian and Japanese motorsports for being to quick. In Japan the created a new racing league for the GTR's. These cars set many records in there times and can easily be tuned to over 1000hp.

this new GTR will be stronger and have more power out of the factory and have a more refined version of the on demand 4 wheel drive system in the r34 gtr.

Sounds like its worth every cent to me

Not as sexy as the R34 GT-R

Mat, you dont know crap. Why dont you just shut up for good ?

Do you even know that a lightly tuned R34 can kick any Ferrari's ass like nothing ?

Nissan makes great cars. IMO their cars have far superior technology than most Euro Auto makers.

thats kinda funny because nissan is partnered with a euro car maker. anybody can check that they share information and even some parts between Renault. I'm not saying thats a bad thing hell its great i have a nice altima now and i want a g37 when they get around to making them hell i wish this thing was closer to my price range

This car will cost alot because its a jap sports car. All of the other jap sports cars cost alot of money when there were in production as well. Vr4 supra tt rx7 tt all had price tags over 60k here in america. As for being able to destroy a ferrari or a porsche on a race track in its price class I just dont see that happening. A porsche 911 turbo can be had for around 100k and will make similar power but is already a well proven race car, the demo numbers this car has put down on nurburg show that its going to be quick aorund 8:30 iirc which is slower then the r34 made because this car is much heavier then the older r34 so its not going to be as competant in the bends. And on even a sadder note its time is slower then that of the corvette which is a fast car in its own rite but this car just isnt gonna take the smile away from ferrari or porsche

This car will cost alot because its a jap sports car. All of the other jap sports cars cost alot of money when there were in production as well. Vr4 supra tt rx7 tt all had price tags over 60k here in america. As for being able to destroy a ferrari or a porsche on a race track in its price class I just dont see that happening. A porsche 911 turbo can be had for around 100k and will make similar power but is already a well proven race car, the demo numbers this car has put down on nurburg show that its going to be quick aorund 8:30 iirc which is slower then the r34 made because this car is much heavier then the older r34 so its not going to be as competant in the bends. And on even a sadder note its time is slower then that of the corvette which is a fast car in its own rite but this car just isnt gonna take the smile away from ferrari or porsche

Guy:
How do you know its going to be heavier than R34? I've heard LIGHTER, not heavier, thanks to a lighter engine and new tech for the exterior sheet metal (maybe carbon fiber actually, which other than carbon nanotubes or diamond, there is not much that is lighter or tougher than carbon fiber).

Guys...

Look at B pillar to C pillar spacing! That looks like room for a rear seat, which a 300Z does not have!. However, the G35 coupe does. The G35 sedan also comes in all wheel drive....a GTR necessity. I think it's going to have either the V6 or V8, neither of which are the wolf in sheep's clothing that the 2.5L was.....14,000 RPM capabilty? I'll take short shifting at 10K anyday.... :o)

m3kt3k:
For a skyline thats not bad. Skylines are tunner cars its not the Stock power you buy them for you buy them because you can push them past 1000 Horse with 1000lbs of torque.

That was the old model that had a cast iron inline-6.

Chris:
Not as sexy as the R34 GT-R

Touche

Chick
Do you even know that a lightly tuned R34 can kick any Ferrari's ass like nothing ?

An Enzo or 599? I don't think so. Probably not even an F430.

guy
All of the other jap sports cars cost alot of money when there were in production as well. Vr4 supra tt rx7 tt all had price tags over 60k here in america. As for being able to destroy a ferrari or a porsche on a race track in its price class I just dont see that happening. A porsche 911 turbo can be had for around 100k and will make similar power but is already a well proven race car

You're WRONG. They were all under $50k. Off the top of my head the RX-7 was in the low $30's.

The 911 Turbo is NOT a well proven racecar. It's purely a street machine. The proven Porsche is the rear wheel drive GT2 and GT3 models.

RJ
I think it's going to have either the V6 or V8, neither of which are the wolf in sheep's clothing that the 2.5L was...

Yeah, this engine is going to be no where near the level of tunability as the legendary RB26. Though I recall reading Cosworth or another company that knows how to build engines was designing this one. By the way, all GT-R level cars and higher had a 2.6L, not a 2.5L.

Bring back the 2JZGTE, 3SGTE, RB26DETT, and the SR20DET, for starters.

Noya-

Typo....meant 2.6l.....surprised you missed the hyphen in GTR....lol.

Um...."trust" me... I'm a wee bit familiar with this engine :o)

i have a 350z with 730hp... nissan engines are great!!!

what :S???? a nissan 350z with 730 bhp ??? do you drive it on the street?? how long does it take for the car to get on your nerves??? how much did it take(cost) did it take you to tune it???
plus with dat much of tuning... what sort of RELIABILITY does it have :S???

NISSAN at 94K is just stupid to go with ........ porche from my perspective is more better lookin, they are so good dat the porche makers didnt bother to change the body styling much....

Ferrari are beasts!!! but with nice cushions .... so dat dey dont blow your ears or bust your butt like your 730bhp nissan...

all the way u see it.... NISSAN 94K can never be 1000bhp "road" car.... its not BUGATTI VEYRON u asss!!!! and how fast are you going to go with the 94K and not forgetting the tuning cost!!! dont expect dem to go 300mph!!!!!!

plus comparison to other 94K cars!!!!!!! it aint dat good lookin...... THE CAR IS JUST A LAME ASSS!!!!!!

if any normal human thinks to tune his/her 94K car... dey wish to drive it on the street.. go in nice long drives.... want other people to kno dat dey are gentle people with the whoomp... dats what a car should give....

or in other ways... buy a 10K motorbike... it will give lots of thrill, atleast 0-60 under 3second :D

Whattda!!!!

Ummm, no car, not even the Veyron, can go 300 mph and be street legal all at the same time. The Veyron limits itself to the high 250s just for that purpose.

300mph has been done, and I think with less hp, on race cars before. Its getting that power to the wheels, taking tighter turns, AND being street legal that make a modern sports car great.

I pray to god every single day that there will not be a rear seat in this. Or otherwise its just a really nice 350z.

As to getting a 350z to above 600 hp, look it up on cardomain.com. Plenty of people have done it. 730hp? Have not seen that yet, but I'd believe it. Really, the engine is one of Wards 10 best for a reason.

Looks like a freakin' Hyundai Tiburon.

How much REAL horsepower do you get on the street on that 350Z 24/7 at less than 20 psi on PUMP gas? Nobody cares what theoretical peak numbers you can make with a gallon of C16 on the dyno @ 35 psi on paper for 15 minutes before you detune it for pump gas. Case in point those mythical 1000 HP Supras and Skylines are running 30+ psi boost to make up for the lack of displacement thus making 116 octane leaded race gas. Find them on the streets and they are only making 600 HP tops on pump gas. That's still awesome, but the dyno runs on race gas without cats are misleading.

I make 700 RWHP on my '03 Cobra on nothing more than 91 octane with a twin screw all day every day. If I ran race gas and 35 psi just to throw a big impressive number down on paper like imports do, I'd be making over 1600 HP.

BTW that also includes a flat torque curve at 700 ft/lbs from 2000 RPM to red line.

And who cares about tighter turns. I don't know what kind of city you live in, but where I live there is nothing but N-S and E-W with stop signs and stop lights. And when people in 'cars built for the twisties' are revving to start something its ALWAYS at a light on a straight, not on some imaginary theoretical nonexistent twisty mountain road that only seems to come up after they lose!

Ummm... Wow...94k....
Oh, I know, I'll spend my money on a Corvette!! Have an '03 Z06 and it is plenty fast. By the way it is all in the driver to make these things fast, who can beat who. Oh well not going to spend that much on a Nissan. Would rather have an old GTO or something.

Sorry if that post came off aggressive, not trying to put down any body's ride here, I just get annoyed when people always promote 'imports make more power with less cylinders' when they are always comparing cars with rebuilt bottom ends on high boost on leaded race gas in controlled conditions to slightly modified stock cars running crappy 87-91 pump gas in 110 degree heat.

Next time you see that 1000 HP skyline, supra, etc, ask how much boost and what octane they were running for the dyno and what their pump gas tune puts out.

The new porsche gt2 is a turbo car and I never said anything about all wheel drive. Either way Id still rather had a 90k porsche then this nissan. The old skyline was a amazing car because it had electronics that other companies werent encorperating into road card but that isnt the case any more. You can buy a evo with ayc and aws so the new skyline isnt competing on its own anymore. As well its a nissan so its got to be waaay better then its competition for people to really take it seriously. The nsx is a good example, really expensive pretty fast on a race track but it wasnt much faster or even faster then the car its supposedly copied the ferrari 355 much cheaper then that but for a 6cyl car that costs over 60k only making 300 hp wheres your money going. This nissan makes a staggering 540 hp but for 80k most of the other major manufacturers have already got that. The new vipers got 600 bmw m6 got 500 sl 55amg got 500 damn you can even buy a ford mustang with 500. So if this car does anything less then fly it really isnt going to amaze

The new porsche gt2 is a turbo car and I never said anything about all wheel drive. Either way Id still rather had a 90k porsche then this nissan. The old skyline was a amazing car because it had electronics that other companies werent encorperating into road card but that isnt the case any more. You can buy a evo with ayc and aws so the new skyline isnt competing on its own anymore. As well its a nissan so its got to be waaay better then its competition for people to really take it seriously. The nsx is a good example, really expensive pretty fast on a race track but it wasnt much faster or even faster then the car its supposedly copied the ferrari 355 much cheaper then that but for a 6cyl car that costs over 60k only making 300 hp wheres your money going. This nissan makes a staggering 540 hp but for 80k most of the other major manufacturers have already got that. The new vipers got 600 bmw m6 got 500 sl 55amg got 500 damn you can even buy a ford mustang with 500. So if this car does anything less then fly it really isnt going to amaze

holy S*** tats a skyline ???man da older look was better ...this look is just plain weird ....any1 want to see a customized honda prelude turned to a ferrari F50???well heck no i wont show it to u LOL now i am having da last laugh

I see someone ignored my post about E85 in the LS1 powered Civic message board.

Anyway, if your Cobra is so awesome, and I always hear Americans bashing the imports because apparently the domestics are so good, then how come I can (all day everyday) find Youtube videos and posts where the imports beat the domestics? My favorites include stock S2000s beating C5 Corvettes at drag strips.

And I guess you must live in hillbilly-hell midwest, but back east, we do indeed have some twisty roads. Just try and find a straight quarter mile in Virginia.

i live in germany... i would not bother about cars with more then 150hp living in any other country :)

german autobahn rules ;)

you maybe will see me this year or next year on streeteliminators championship.

sorry for my english.

I dont want to disapoint anyone.. but.. people keep talking about tuning cars over a 1000 bhp...

Can it be done? hell yes.. dragsters go for 10-12k bhp....

Can it be done reliably, and be a legal street car? yes... bugati (in fact VW) did it!

Can it be done realiably in your local garage? i dont think so...
it took 3.5 years for a very skilled group of VW engineers just to develop a gearbox that could be ligth, reliable and eficient.

As Chris said.. stop talking crap about theorical bhp in a dyno...

Brabus tried putting 730 bhp in a mercedes sl600 it became a peace of crap to drive... and they changed everything that they could for better parts...

if you think you can do better than this guys.. Men, you are wasting your chance to be famous and rich...

Andy,

Renault is the parent company of Nissan.

Noya,

The R34 Z-Tune would probably beat a good bit of those Ferrari's hehe.

This car is being built to beat the Porsche 911 Turbo, tts as simple as that... Porsche 911 Turbo performance at a lower price.

my main point was dat... why spend so much behind the supra, and not forgetting the tuning cost; while u can spend the same amount of money on something more beautiful.....

YES I AGREE THE OLD SUPRA LOOK WAS BETTER... the NEW ONE HAS THE CHINESE -FISH (small headlights and squashed frnt mouth ) LOOK :S

If the NEW Supra wants to be a big hit , den dey must find a way to make the 700bhp with 97 grade octane.. den hav da power on the road like what the porche's cars do.... and MUST CHANGE THE FRONT LOOK... its awful...

BTW BUGATTI VEYRON has lots more capabily... someone should the episode on Topgear which starred the Bugatti... the car was tremendously smooth even at 250 :D

Going 300 or even more mph on a race car is nothing sort of new...... road cars should be able to do dat.... but if you think it on a road car, the matter is totally different..; though it may not be street legal anymore, but its proud to kno dat your stock tuner car can go dat fast...... though 94K is a lot of money.....
NISSAN SKYLINE HAS A LOT OF COMPITITION IN THIS PRICE RANGE....

not only does it have to perform well, it has to feel comfy like other japanese cars.... 350Z was a nice car, agile and nimble... but wish the SKYLINE was a bit CHEAPER :D... den we could all catch the SKY :P

FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!

IF TUNER CARS CAN BE TUNED SO HIGH!!!
DEN WHY AREN'T THE COMING OUT OF THE FACTORY DAT WAY!!!!

BCOZ THE ARE A SHIT TO DRIVE WHEN TUNED....

WHO AGREES ???

From tuning, I refer to as Tuning to the 1000bhp extent which was noted on previous posts

They need to fix the pricing on that. it is a nissian, not an acura. Well it looks pretty nice. but that model is gonna be a changer. lots of people will buy it and it will eventually be o its just a skyline.

There are risks involved with increasing the power levels with FI of course but I don't necessarily agree being tuned equates to running bad. I own a 350Z and there are plenty of FI owners that say it runs better than it did stock. But of course... its definitely not as reliable.

As far as I know... there hasn't been any confirmation in prices or different trim levels so I'll hold my thoughts until I see some confirmation.

The VQ is a pretty stout motor, especially the HR, and I definitely see some potential in the GT-R.

All you people act like you know cars should be impressed just by the fact of it's a SKYLINE. That name in the car community has earned the respect for YEARS. There is a reason why the damn thing was banned in so many countries! Its a BADASS!! Until now you either had to go overseas to be able to drive one or play the Gran Tourismo series on playstation. Its not just about going fast, its also about handling and having driven one before I can say it handles like a mutha*ucka!!

Blasian,

You are absolutly right!

Fine tune a car can make it very good.. depending on how underpowered it was and what you changed it can became a beast and be very reliable as well...

But you have to start with a car that has potencial (skyline really does!) and do something balanced...

Fayaz,

Well tunned car are normally incredible to drive. I get your point though... i think the same way.. but you should consider some exceptions.. just to start with, maintenance.. regular people simply dont do it.. so the car companys normally take some of the performance you would get in favor of a greater realiability for a lazy car owner... (3years warranty make them do that)
Turbo cars, for instance.. most of them CAN be overboasted... but.. it requires that you change the oil much earlier every time..

and many other ones can be brought up...

What I do hate though is that people that say stuff like, " .. i will get a v8, put quad turbo on it, a huge gas injector and it will kick a F430 ass!" yeah yeah... maybe everyone at ferrari factory is so damn stupid that they never thought about it... but wait a minute? arent the ferrari engineers one of the best in the world and very well paid and very well equiped? humm!!!! maybe ferrari should fire all of them and hire me!

Allen: I wasn't bashing imports, I was pointing out how overrated dyno runs on special fuels in a controlled environment do not reflect what the car can put down 24/7 on pump gas.

The problem with small displacement boosted engines is this: making power means moving more air. You can do that in one of two ways or a combination of both. You can increase the displacement of the the engine to flow more air at the same cylinder pressures, or you can cram more air into the existing displacement. The difference? You can increase displacement all day and not cause detonation, thus you can make power on pump gas. If you rely strictly on boost, you run into a boost limit before detonation sets in, thus requiring race gas, which at that point, makes it not a street car.

Say you have a Supra running 50 psi making 1600 HP on race gas, and so much as 0.001 more PSI will cause uncontrollable detonation that can no longer be avoided even with water injection, N20, etc. How can you make more power? Increase the displacement, because you will have more of that 50 psi mixture flowing without increasing compression heat and pressure.

People think American engines are inefficient because they use more cubes to get the same power than an import makes with a smaller engine. Thats not the case. People forget one important difference: the American engine is doing it on every day pump gas sold in the streets of America. You can't say a 3L I6 making 1000 HP on 35psi and 116 octane is better than a 5L V8 also making 1000 HP but on 87 octane. How much would that 5L be making if it was running 35 psi and 116 octane? Hint: the percentage increase would be exactly proportional to the increase in displacement.

This isn't about imports vs. domestics, this is about obvious physics.

You make yourself sound like a typical anti American elitist leftie though. Let me guess, anything other than CA,NY, and MA is hillbilly land and you prefer 75HP cars that can magically do 90 turns at 300 mph *rolls eyes*

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FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!

IF TUNER CARS CAN BE TUNED SO HIGH!!!
DEN WHY AREN'T THE COMING OUT OF THE FACTORY DAT WAY!!!!

BCOZ THE ARE A SHIT TO DRIVE WHEN TUNED....

WHO AGREES ???

This appears to be a very ignorant response. Firstly, one reason why engines are leaving factories with 1000hp stock may not be because of they are “SHIT TO DRIVE” but rather due to many other factors. Consider for a moment the cost that would be needed in order to build 1000hp factory cars… or just look at the Veryon. What is the market for 1000hp street driven cars? Most likely none. How much will it cost the factory? Heaps. How much will people have to pay for it? Hundreds of thousands.

Secondly, cars tuned so high are shit to drive. Right. I suppose the F1 cars that have 800 odd HP on tap are horrible to drive, they don’t grip and spin out and over and under steer at the same time. What do you base this on? Looking at 5 second dragsters, I would say that, yes, very fast cars are definitely a handful to drive, however, factor in developments like TC and these fast cars are becoming more road friendly perhaps.

Before you make a comment, perhaps you should stop driving your Mirage with 20” chromes and sick bodykit, and get yourself in a ride in a REAL sports car.

For all those who might forget, Nissan has been in the US for years with good dependable cars, which before were Datsuns. I had a slightly modified B210 whyich off the line bested mustangs, corvettes, and even the mighty Porsche for the first 50 yards! Silly, yes, but a 1000 hp nissan? I'm ready to buy! I'm sorry that the US can't put togeather a consistant super car. I'm tired of the Europe family when Japan and Korea can match in both preformace and price anyone in the world. If the US and the European countries can't get it togeather then why should I spend money on them?

RIP rb30e, rb20det, rb25det and rb26det.

an amazing feat by nissan.

The R series GT-R's will always provail

ill never be able to own a new GT-R anytime soon so the only reason im looking forward to this is hopefully it will bring the R34s and R33s down a bit.

If Nissan sees this page .. they are gonna get bonkers :P

who drives dat mirage btw ???
nissan is likely to charge a hefty premium for the 1000bhp I suppose; but if they are cheap, lets say around 150-200K, everyone here might buy one :D.....

and yes sir John, now-a-days cars are becoming more and more user friendly... plz we mustn't forget dat there is a big difference in dragster and even the f1 cars with road cars... the basic difference iis basically the f1 and dragsters aren't made to last long (just till the race ends)...
where as the road cars are expected to last 2-5 useful years without much hassle... this means dat their engine must beat for a long time, Gearbox must handle all the shear power and stress.... not to mention the immense torque dats would also be generated....
yes the bugatti veyron was a 800K Pound car... and yes it took 50 qualified engineers 5 years to make a road car dat is 1001bhp, and goes above 250mph, actually its topspeed is 253mph.... and the veyron was suppose to go faster, but didnt because some Bugatti owner liked the old non-aerodynamical body shape of the bugatti, and insisted not to change it... so the engineers had a hard time to manage all the power at such immense speed.... and only with a road car of around 900bhp or more u can break the 260mph barrier.. the speed is so high dat u will get double vision (this is true facts and im not making it) there is limit to everything, as how fast are u travelling....

we all wanted a simple roadcar.. not a 1000bhp nissan... and i probably dnt think the new skyline wont be dat success, (im not against nissan)....because its predessor was more into handling and agileness rather dan going fast in straight lines, which is probably predictable from the picture of the car....it looks like more of a corvette or viper... rather dan a nimble japanese car like the Evo... etc etc....

i agree dat engines are moderately detuned since the car manufacturer designs the car for average customers, not for people like us who are thinking of how to get extra 3horses form their tuner cars...

Nissan are good reliable cars.. all japanese cars are... American cars nowadays are "comparatively" hand-down....

dere is nothing to be ignorant about.... practicality is a big factor.....

though if the new supra are body-styled to compare to corvettes and viper class, den i must say dey did a gud job except the front face of the car....
but if the have the electronics of the predessor, the car is gonna be one HECK of a RIDE if it has 500bhp under dat hood :D

maybe dey will have it.... :) lets keep our hopes up....

and to nissan : plz, if u people are watching these posts :P (probably not) , plz make the frnt part of the car more aggressive lookin as they used to be.. :D

Chris if you make 1600hp from a pos cobra using any kind of gas and it doesn't totally fucking explode taking the cobra, the dyno, and your dumbass with it, than i applaud you.

Chris if you can make 1600 hp from a cobra without an explosion the takes out the dyno, the cobra, and your dumb ass than i applaud you.

Firstly, Virginia is not radical leftist land. I'll challenge you to prove that wrong.

Secondly, it will not be an increase in line with displacement increases (the power, that is). Why? Because of the different types of engines. Your Cobra uses DOHC, but most Ford engines use SOHC, and Chevy and Dodge cannot figure out how to build anything other than pushrod engines. The DOHC powerplant has been a proven piece now for a few decades, outperforming equivalent sized pushrod and SOHC engines.

Also, I am once again doubting your claims of a thousand horsepower on pump gas with a 4.6 L engine. We just put the finishing touches on a new mustang in Texas last night. Using 8 pounds of boost required 91 octane. Now, it is the *new* 4.6, but still. If that required a jump to 91 octane, and it was only running 8 lbs (no dyno runs yet), I highly doubt your Cobra is still pulling 1000 hp on pump gas. I know a little about that engine, and I have not seen many brought past the 600hp mark without either the very same shennanigans you talk about on Tuner cars, pulleys, cams, and heads, happening.

On a final note: you once again have ignored that E85 has a high enough octane rating to avoid early detonation. That fuel is technically pump gas. And an Skyline, R32-34, will still be able to run off the pump, just like your car. If you would like to claim that without serious modification your Cobra could therefor run 2000hp on the same fuel, be my guest. I'll just ask the crowd here to join me in singing the Chorus to "Straight to the Bank."

I'm only making 700HP to the wheels on pump gas with a twin screw blower, not 1600HP. Some people playing with turbo kits are making between 800-1200HP to the wheels with just the addition of a twin turbo kit; bone stock from oil pan to valve covers. With rebuilt bottom ends, I've seen/heard of 1600HP. Everyone with the '03 Cobra's thought 700-800 at the wheels was the limit with the stock block, but with people exploring turbos now, 800+ is starting to become the norm.

Most people with these kinds of cars *choose* to run the most power they can on *pump gas* without needing N20 or methanol or race gas. Sure we COULD get 1600 HP, but why when we can get 800HP on crappy pump gas at 20psi or less and still hang with or beat imports running 35psi and exclusively race gas? That is a convenience that displacement allows for.

The stock bottom end probably wouldn't last long at 1600 even with race gas. Sure it could handle it, but it would be a risky daily driver. Don't kid yourself though, *any* Supra or Skyline making that kind of power, if you expect it to last, is running a fully rebuilt bottom end as well.

Every 2JZ I've ever seen pushing 1000+ HP *reliably*, in addition to only running on 116 octane leaded race gas, is running a $20,000 fully rebuilt bottom end with Carrillo rods, CP pistons, 3.4L stroker crank, etc. 2JZs making over 1000 HP and lasting 100,000 miles on the stock bottom end is an exaggeration rubbing off from fully rebuilt engines.

The '03 Cobra 'Terminator' comes from the factory with a fully forged 8.5:1 bottom end with Manley H beams, forged alum pistons, forged crank, and 6 bolt mains, in an iron block. The factory built bottom end and the ease of mods has even led to the title 'the domestic Supra'. It also has an independent rear with 13" Brembos and tunned suspension from the factory, and it's place on the road course twisties is next to Corvettes and BMWs. At 3665 lbs for the coupe, its not much heavier than a Supra and even lighter than a R34 GT-R. Nothing some tubular suspension, carbon fiber, and two piece rotors, and a wet sleeved aluminum block can't take care of.

And I only paid $24k for one of mine, and it only takes about $1500k for a catback, CAI, pulley, and tune to lay down about 500HP to the wheels.

How much does a R34 or JZA80 with 100,000 miles on it cost again?

Not that I don't like Skylines and Supras. I'd probably even trade my Cobra for a R34 if I had the chance because I know I can always get another Cobra. I'm just pointing out how groundless and unfounded the bias against US domestics is. We have our share of 'factory freaks' that can make insane power stock as well.

The only difference is American tuners choose to work within the limits of pump gas on purpose because our cars are daily drivers and because larger displacement allows for more power with increased cylinder pressures that call for race gas. So what a Cobra gets 700 HP on pump gas while a Supra gets 705 HP on race gas. Now you know what the Cobra would get if it was running on 116 octane as well :-)

But it doesn't HAVE to.

Actually I looked in the "corvette engine in a civic" thread that you mentioned and searched for 'E85' like you said, and found nothing.

Did I say 1000 HP on pump gas on a 4.6L? No, thats not enough displacement (nor is 5L, I should have said 8L or something) Sure, with enough displacement you can. What's a twin turbo viper putting out with 8psi on pump gas? About 1200 HP? Proper low CR internals and race gas gets 1800+ HP on a 500ci V10. 1000HP Supras and Skylines are running race gas, the 4.6 Cobra gets about 700-800 HP tops on pump gas with a big twin screw or turbo. It CAN make 1600 HP if it was running race gas like the imports. Both the 2JZ and Cobra engine are DOHC, so where is the extra power potential coming from? 1.6L more displacement.

Bottom line all I was saying is that 1000 HP is not greater than 700 HP when you are comparing 116 octane vs. 91 octane when it comes to boosted engines. Many if not most import 'enthusiasts', esp those who don't even have the cars they hype, automatically claim imports like Supras are superior without taking that into account. So what you have a 3L 6cyl making 1000 HP when an American V8 'needs' 8L to do the same thing. We don't NEED 8L to make 1000 HP, we just need it to run 1000 HP on PUMP GAS and low boost, as would anybody. The 8L can do it running 87 octane, but what can the 8L do with 45psi and race gas? They make over 8000 HP on nitro. What does a 3L straight 6 put down on 91 octane? Again about 550-600 HP. 4.6L Cobra? 700-800 HP. The difference? Proportional to displacement.

Given the same kind of fuel, more displacement is always going to win. I feel like I am stating the obvious, but many so called import 'tuners' (ie: magazine subscribers) just don't get that. Even the import tuners that know a thing or two about power, first thing they do is a stroker bottom end, because they know displacement wins (and to spool the turbos early).

Again just to clear up this long post: Americans only NEED more displacement to make the same power because we do it on cheap gas. If we made smaller engines like imports, we'd have to run race gas all the time, and last time I looked they don't sell 116 at 7/11 (thought it would be awesome if they did!)

Oh yeah I did compare a 3L on race gas making 1000 HP to a 5L making 1000 on 87 *laugh*

No a 5L can't do that, my apologies for not paying attention when I was ranting. I should have said 7L or 8L or something.

But the point remains, and it's rather simple:

Domestics don't 'need' big displacement engines to make power because Americans can't engineer. No, thats not the case at all, rather we CHOOSE to make power that way on purpose because it's more flexible and convenient in terms of fuel supply logistics (ie: roll into any street pump and not have to detune).

As for E85, I have no experience with it and it's relatively new. And the 1000 HP imports I refer to are running C16 not E85, so whatever you have to say about E85 is irrelevant anyway.

How much would a 4.6L make on E85? It doesn't matter, it would still be 53.333% more than a 3.0L and 61.5% more than a 2.6L, all other factors like boost psi, effective CR, and engine materials held constant.

Heres one I can think of off the top of my head:

http://www.sctflash.com/rides.php

Stock SVT 4.6L long block, stock 6 speed. 857 RWHP @ 9.65 at 21 psi, street driven on pump gas with full street trim. They have been pushed to 26+ psi with blowers, but obviously with race gas. Turbos on these car are allowing for even more power on pump gas, and the cars with rebuilt and stroked engines and top of the line parts running race gas are pushing 1600 HP and running 7s. (And yes, high horsepower Skylines are also running aftermarket HKS internals, etc, at least the ones that actually drive their car on more than just a dyno).

I don't know of any 6 cyl cars that are making over 800 RWHP on pump gas (and just pump gas without water injection or other compliments) due to the detonation associated with the higher boost needed to make up for the difference in displacement. It's not a slander or anything on import engines. My 4.6 cant put out as much power as a 5.7 either, all other factors held constant, and those are both V8s.

To clarify, I am not bashing imports, I have as much interest in SW22 MR2s, JZA80 Supras, and R34 Skylines as I do my Cobra.

I'm just trying to put to rest this 'imports are better because they make the same power with smaller engines' debate that is misleading when you start talking about imports running C16 and methanol injection compared to a pump gas domestic.

Lesson here? Next time someone compares their 1000 HP Skyline to a 800 HP Cobra, ask each owner what boost they are running and with what octane fuel. Without that information, the HP number by itself is meaningless and cannot be compared. Either up the boost on the domestic and run race gas or detune the import for pump gas. Only then can you compare them.

That is all.

Lets rename it to THE CHRIS TOPIC... eheheee

Chris.. i live in brazil and i can tell you for sure that e85 is a way better for boosted engines than regular gas..
with e85 you can change the compression rate as high as 14:1 and put a 20+ psi turbo that it will not detonate....

and im talking about pump e85...

Like I said, I don't have any experience with E85 so my comparisons are all based on gasoline.

If E85 has any advantages it will be equally beneficial to all engines. But still even with 14:1 and 20 psi, 6L>5L>4L>3L and so on, regardless if its running on coal, piss, nitro, or E85. Small displacement imports aren't the only engines that can benefit from improved fuels.

I'd be happy just to have 100 oct gasoline here in the states like they do in Japan.

But 14:1 and 20 psi without detonation? Sounds nifty.

Chris,

I get your point about displacement... i never said otherwise.. one thing you have to admit though is that generaly german engine gets more bhp than american engines runnig on the same gas and with the same displacement (talking about "original" cars, not tunned)

I have to correct my self... not about the 14:1 and 20psi, but about the fuel.. i just figured it out that the alcohol we have here is slightly diferent from the e85 you guys get in the US... its not the exactly same compositon.. (here alcohol is as avaible as gas, i mean every single gas station has an alcohol pump)

Another thing that surprises me is that we are getting new stock cars for regular pump gas with compresion as high as 12.5:1... do you guys have this kind you stuf in the US?

Other interesting thing.. its easy to find 95 octanes gas in many gas stations in the major citys here....
(i dont really see the point though, in a country that more than 60% of the new car sales stand for 1 liter models)
anyway, when they released it couple years ago, they said it was the most advanced "street" gas in the world... maybe japan beated it...

i did some research and thats what i found:

the Ethanol we use here (brazil) is 100% pure.. so its called E100 and has 110 octanes..

110 at the pump would be sweet.

The reason our gas sucks in the US is because of all the enviro-wackos and stupid regulations. Some people just don't feel good about themselves unless they can find a way to force things on others via politics.

Everyone would be in 25 HP cars that ran on seaweed and hemp if they could get away with it.

LOL

Some of you guys are need to do a bit of research before you shoot your mouths off..... directed at the Author aswell

its a GTR not a SKYLINE

Nissan are releaseing the GTR this time as a single brand with different versions....

No one knows what the tuning availabilitys will be with the new engines capabilitys, but if history repeats its self like before. The GTR will be uderestimated at first until aftermarket development has begun.

I own a R32GTR an believe me they can be tuned up to 1000 ps no worries ADJUSTABLE on 100 octane depending on bolt on products.

Also in australia we had an engine version released called the RB 30 in our local sedans. 3 litre which the rb26 head bolts straight onto called a hybrid that makes figures like that obtainable ....

Nissan can charge this much for a car that has supercar performance.... if ford can charge over 100k.... then they should be able to charge even more...who in the right mind would buy a ford... plus japanese cars tend to charge alot less than what their german competitors charge and they even offer more than them...
This car will sell especially since its a porsche 911 turbo killer....

For all the dumb people out there complaining of the price the performance and everything else about Nissan , GT-R , and the rest of Japans prestige. Do your history you Bias Crack Holes. Expand you limited feeble minds. The GT-R is Japans GREATEST & ONLY SUPER CAR THAT REDIFINED JAPANESE PERFORMANCE. Who would pay 100k for a Nissan? Porche will when they test the car in order to make changes for its oh so unreliable flat six and ever troublesome tranny. You simple minded stereotypical critics amuse me.
the VQ engine that sits inside that vehicle is the benchmark of any six in the world. Wards.com read you dumb dumbs!....Nissan are sport born...They are the real Zoom Zoom of Japan. Yes Toyota has very reliable cars and Honda shortly there after look at there prices. More expensive than that of Nissan yet more bang for the buck at Nissan. That's the strategy so if you want to complain about 100k for a high performance legend...stick to your European cars Japanese are better any way !...LMAO...check consumer report you crack holes. Suck a Big one easy....lol....feeble minds irritate me!

For all the dumb people out there complaining of the price the performance and everything else about Nissan , GT-R , and the rest of Japans prestige. Do your history you Bias Crack Holes. Expand you limited feeble minds. The GT-R is Japans GREATEST & ONLY SUPER CAR THAT REDIFINED JAPANESE PERFORMANCE. Who would pay 100k for a Nissan? Porche will when they test the car in order to make changes for its oh so unreliable flat six and ever troublesome tranny. You simple minded stereotypical critics amuse me.
the VQ engine that sits inside that vehicle is the benchmark of any six in the world. Wards.com read you dumb dumbs!....Nissan are sport born...They are the real Zoom Zoom of Japan. Yes Toyota has very reliable cars and Honda shortly there after look at there prices. More expensive than that of Nissan yet more bang for the buck at Nissan. That's the strategy so if you want to complain about 100k for a high performance legend...stick to your European cars Japanese are better any way !...LMAO...check consumer report you crack holes. Suck a Big one easy....lol....feeble minds irritate me!

Why do people keep saying "94 thousand for a NISSAN!!?! WTF???" Hey, read it dumb asses, base model is 57k, and that comes with around 450 hp. The EVO edition is the TOP stripped down, carbon fiber everywhere edition. I think 57k for a high end Japanese performance car is a great deal. I might just get this car to replace my 2003 G35 coupe =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAGPu4Z_mng

skyline R32 getting smoked by a Volvo 850 T5...

Chris has made his point with capacity. No comment. Higher capacity equals more power. The main thing that concerns me about cars is the way they drive. And straight-line speed is irrelevant unless your workplace, sports club, shopping mall, bar and beach house are at the other end of the quarter-mile track in front of your house. The 3 major manufacturing countries all have their automotive icons but they all represent something different. I think in terms of outright balance in performance, technology and design, euro=1, japan=2 and america=3. My fave icons from each would be (many in europe), the skyline and rx's from japan and corvette and shelby cobras from the states.
My top 3 dream cars would all be euro. Make that my top 10 or top 20. So for the pissing competition that happened in the previous posts as to who builds the best cars, all argument ends here.
Weird tastes aside, I believe nobody touches the euro on beautiful designs and how their top cars make a passionate driver feel when he/she sees or thinks about one. Sorry but the world's top artistic icons of the past are pretty much all european so it makes sense that they design things more beautifully than others.

Now that i've said all this, people should seriously stop being so narrow-minded in car forums and learn to appreciate all the positive things from different manufacturing countries instead of flaming each other about mine is bigger than yours and better. You can explain your opinion without pointing the finger. Like i obviously don't think anybody makes better cars than euros, but when i say better i mean as a total package and i am also talking about the cream of the crop of major manufacturers. Not just power potential or just handling or just looks, but the overall balance of these factors and i do have to emphasize that looks are very important to me. Who would take the 500HP tricked out '05 corolla over a 300HP 60's corvette stingray? (purely for demonstration). There are many great cars out there so there is some good to be taken from everywhere. I don't like euro fanatics talking shzz about japanese and americans and vice versa for all other possible combinations.

Personally I am a fan of the GTR, so far so good and though the design of the new one is a little oddball and indeed reminiscent of the 350Z, it is still quite attractive.
Looks muscular and the pricing isn't ridiculous for the amount of car you're getting. It's still a little hard to swallow being a nissan and all rather than a bmw or something but the proof will be in the pudding and the pudding has been highly potent for the past 3 generations. Now, we can just sit and wait for it to come out and start crunching numbers with its competitors.

Til then, enjoy your driving and enjoy your cars and pardon me for the rather lengthy post...

Cheers

Hey about the look of the 2008 GTR...I am not sure why people are disturbed about it looking like a 350Z. What I really find disturbing is that it reminds me of the latest mustangs and camaros...in fact..the more I look at it, the more I see a hybrid of mustang/camaro/corvette but it looks okay still. And for complaints about the V6, well the shift to this engine is probably a wise one seeing as it has proven reliable, torquey and light. They can fit it further back for even better weight distribution so I think it's a big asset and for the nostalgic skyline drivers, I think RB's will stick around for a long time yet so don't be so sad ;)

Street legal 350z's pushing over 800 whp is nothing new. Check my350z.com. By the response so far, this shows interest. It will have a 3.6 TT VQ is my guess. It already showed on testing tracks that it's at least a match to the 911TT. ADD the AWD and no question it will push over 1000whp (not engine/braking hp) with a tune and low block fairly reliably shortly after its out. Mark my words and it will be a lot of fun (for a Nissan) to blow by vipers/z06's/exotics.

Street legal 350z's pushing over 800whp is nothing new. Check my350z.com for examples. By the response so far, this shows interest. It will have a 3.7L TT VQ. It already showed on testing tracks that it's at least a match for the 911TT. ADD the AWD and no question it will push over 1000whp (not engine/braking hp) with a tune and low block fairly reliably shortly after its out. All guesses but mark my words. Lastly, it will be a lot of fun (for a v6 Nissan) blowing by vipers/z06's/exotics in straights and curvy roads.

Street legal 350z's pushing over 800whp is nothing new. Check my350z.com for examples. By the response so far, this shows interest. It will have a 3.7L TT VQ. It already showed on testing tracks that it's at least a match for the 911TT. ADD the AWD and no question it will push over 1000whp (not engine/braking hp) with a tune and low block fairly reliably shortly after its out. All guesses but mark my words. Lastly, it will be a lot of fun (for a v6 Nissan) blowing by vipers/z06's/exotics in straights and curvy roads.

Opps. Sorry, it's my first time posting on this site.

Street legal 350z's pushing over 800whp is nothing new. Check my350z.com for examples. By the response so far, this shows interest. It will have a 3.7L TT VQ. It already showed on testing tracks that it's at least a match for the 911TT. ADD the AWD and no question it will push over 1000whp (not engine/braking hp) with a tune and short block fairly reliably shortly after its out. And it will be a lot of fun (for a v6 Nissan) blowing by vipers/z06's/exotics in straights and curvy roads. Will be better if it was more affordable though.

It is wonderful that the Sky line is being released and i wont be able to afford it but i will make an effort to buy a Gt-r possible M type a lot cheaper and almost the same with out the big body that this new 08 skyline has. Having to purchase the 2000 and up series ill be okay..

my 1999 3000GT VR-4 is pushing 940hp on reg 91oct. gas "STREET" around 60k in it.............but i would love to own a R34 over it...... i could never get what i put in to my VR-4

hate to crash ur party but my cousin works at ferrari (sweeps the floors but gets the scoop on all the good shit) and he says that they are tuning the engine (VQ3.8DE) to over 650 hp twin turbo on street fuel.its also an all aluminum block with light weight pullys and a hell of a lot of cf (ie. light as fuck). or you can buy the 95k v8 running a z06 corvett engine bumping up on 800hp.

the roof is a seperate peice because its not in production yet and theres no point in spending the money to stamp a one peice part on an unfinished car.

I have a 98 maxima running 780hp all day and all night and its a 3 litre VQ so dont question a nissan motors power and potential.

p.s. lotus is designing the suspention

I'm surprised to see people comparing Ferrari, Porsche and Ford GTs with Nissan skylines and 350Z look alikes. Ridiculous!!!
People, You don't compare hp to hp and dollar to dollar ratios...bean counters. An Aston sells for 200 Gs and slower than this GT-R as per specs but its meaningless to compare with Aston. Apparently GT-R feels like a Video game and nothing more. No feel in its steering and just a V6 with turbos. If you are looking for numbers, go head and buy a Nissan badge for 70K.
One more thing, as one noted its just another 350Z on steroids.

I don't think Japanese have a clue of what a styling means. All japanese cars look alike and look like a brick. They are typically just boring cars for family oriented people who are trying to save a buck on gas. Thats all all about Toyota, Honda and Nissan. Somebody said something wrong about FORD, Chevys and Dodges. Make no mistake guys, be very careful of your next words so long as you love is United States. FORD goes long way back older than your great grand fathers. 4.6L/5.4L 4V V8 DOHC are also Wards best engines. There are hardly couple asian performance cars and been in the leage only from the time they are kids. And people complaining about american manufacturers who are from the start of the century. Ridiculous. Japanese know nothing more than V4 or V6. Thats all their petty minds can think about. Hardly you can count any domestic or international races won by any japanese manufacturer. People have lost their minds comparing with American or European cars. Who would buy a Supra or Skyline or a GT-R, obviously a Japanese.

I hate people like you, insulting just becuase you think your hot, dont you, ignorance isnt the awnser, japanese cars are nice italian cars are nice, american cars are nice, and they all have equally nice power

Not as sexy as a 2004 350z twin turbo but i guess it will do.

to SuperCJ

Think about what you are saying,4cyl, 6 cyl , 8cyl, you must be rich or crazy when u said that the japanese dont know a bit more than 4 or 6, its obout getting more power for less fuel,its about enginnering and design its not a race to find out who can built the biggest engine and whit more cylinders , i think you have a personal problem with the japanese people, you are the typical american who think is the center of the world and nobody else can have good ideas , keep your comments if your not going to say something good

mr. connery you have the board; oh yes i do trebek, looky what i did; I have a hard on; alex trebek is such a fruit