Is this site the Torque Report or the BMW & Mercedes report??

Re: Peanut

Hey,

Sorry I just post the news as it comes up. I have posted stories/ headlines about other automakers this week as well....Enjoy. :)

Why do you think you need more power?

"Is this site the Torque Report or the BMW & Mercedes report??"

Thats what I've been wondering, because here we go again.

I constantly see complaints that American cars aren't green enough or have too much power and use too much gas and how nobody needs a 260 HP in a 4 door sedan to get groceries and how they could make due with a smaller car or smaller 100 HP 4 cyl engine, etc.

But Mercedes or BMW comes out with a 260 HP car that probably weights 4000 lbs and it's suddenly a marvel of engineering or it should be more powerful...

I want to know why they got rid of the coupes.

C-Class isn't necessarily chasing the exact same market as the 3 and the IS.

C stands for cheap?

It's for lower and middle class people going through a mid life crises who want to tell everyone they drive a Mercedes but can't afford a real one like an S class. Too many 'bling bling' teenagers and white trash driving cars like C220s with 26" rims acting like that have a million dollar car.

My Toyota has more leather and wood in it than a C class cheap Honda interior

Another luxury auto maker goes down market.

C stands for cheap?

The market for C class and 1-3 series is for lower and middle class people going through a mid life crises who want to tell everyone they drive a Mercedes but can't afford a real one like an S class. Too many 'bling bling' teenagers and white trash driving cars like C220s with 26" rims acting like they have a million dollar car because it says Mercedes on it.

My Toyota has more leather and wood in it than a C class cheap Honda interior

Another luxury auto maker goes down market.

People get excited over German and Japanese automotive releases because American cars are cheap trash. Sorry, but that's why the Big 3 are being punished. Feel free to post about how superior your Chrysler is or how your F150 still gets 45mpg after 250,000 miles - nobody believes you anyway.

No, it's hype and people being brand sheep over the more fashionable and historically more expensive products for image even if they aren't better.

Just like there were people who still only thought "Intel Inside" and thought they had the best when Intel had the P4 and the Athlon64 was actually superior.

Don't act like Mercedes don't fall apart and use plastic in their interiors. Have you been in one lately?

Yes Japanese cars are nearly maintenance free and reliable even when abused to death. But I wouldn't go that far with German vehicles...

I have a 95 Camry that has 160,000 miles on it and still running with stock plugs, injectors, and probably some of the factory belts and hoses. Love Toyotas.

Have you been in any American cars lately?

I also have a 2003 Cobra (ie: cheap pos Ford in your language) that has 60,000 miles on it, driven in hot dusty Arizona all it's life, that still gets 22-25 mpg; at or above the the factory mpg, and it's been modified well beyond the factory 390 HP rating. And the oil still comes out looking clean and clear as water 60,000 miles in the dusty desert later.

According to the anti-American comments on this site, it should have been smoking and falling apart about 40,000 miles ago, but nope, still running like new.

Time to ditch the hearsay of the 70s and 80s and start honestly looking at each car for what it is instead of talking trash about it before you even see it just because of who makes it.

Intel Core 2 dual > AMD 64 X2 dual core. That's your problem, you're still living in yesterday.

I'm not bad mouthing any particular car maker, I'm just trying to fix the biased mindset people have, esp. hypocrites who think BMW and Mercedes can do no wrong even when they do something that just got an American company bashed 30 seconds prior, oh say like introducing another 'gas guzzling' V8 like the one in the M3. But I thought 19 mpg V8s were irresponsible and you could get by with smaller engines? Can't they get by with a eco friendly 4 cyl like they expect American automakers to do? Oh thats right, they want exclusivity over fast sporty powerful cars while we drive neutered hybrids. Damn elitist hypocrites.

People who drive a busted ass C220 while comparing every $15,000 American car they see to a $100,000 S55 AMG and call the American one trash compared to THEIR 'superior' Mercedes.

Of course the Core2 is better... now! I traded my FX chip for a C2Q a long time ago.

But the P4 sucked. Did you completely miss the point about people who remained loyal brand zealots to Intel and insisted the P4 was still unconditionally better simply because it was Intel and no other reason? Ie: living on past brand recognition and image instead of the current reality.

Thats the way things seem with BMW and Mercedes these days. They could release a piece of junk today and they will be praised simply because it's not American. But if BMW secretly made a car for Dodge and you didn't know you'd call it a piece of junk.

I agree with you on Mercedes. The quality on their C series has been a joke for years now - just read owner reviews on any online auto site. In fact, I wouldn't buy any Mercedes built after Daimler acquired Chrysler. Poor quality seems to be contagious. BMW, Lexus, and Acura still turn out some mighty fine cars though.

Chris likes Toyota. 'Nuff said.

Long live the German auto makers!

"when they do something that just got an American company bashed 30 seconds prior, oh say like introducing another 'gas guzzling' V8 like the one in the M3. But I thought 19 mpg V8s were irresponsible and you could get by with smaller engines? Can't they get by with a eco friendly 4 cyl like they expect American automakers to do? Oh thats right, they want exclusivity over fast sporty powerful cars while we drive neutered hybrids."

No, it's because American companies (pretty much) ONLY make huge engined cars (and usually have to use a WAY bigger engine to get the same amount of power). BMW 3 series cars can legitimately do 30+ on the highway - and that's speeding too.

The M3 is for people who want to race on the weekends or race professionally. Yes, you can drive it to the store, but that's not what it's built for.

BMW also has many smaller engined (and diesel) cars sold outside the US (since most people in the US don't really want a fuel efficient car, but that's changing). Whats the best mpg Ford or GM has out worldwide? 37 or so mpg? BMW has non-diesels that get that and diesels that get over 50 mpg. The V8's (and larger) are a small number of BMW's vehicles - most are six cylinder cars that (when not constantly shoving the pedal through the floor) get very good mpg for the amount of power.

Long live all the automakers, we can't afford to have a market dominated by a few automakers again.

Lack of competition only breeds damn-the-customer full speed ahead mentality.

It happened (twice) to VW and it happened to all of the US manufacturers since world war II (3 of them it's happened to several times). It happened, on a small scale, to Nissan (1990ish).

I for one like having choices, even if I don't like all of the choices available.

@Chris

"... want to tell everyone they drive a Mercedes but can't afford a real one like an S class"

There's no way that I'd buy an S-Class, at least not in it's current incarnation. I simply don't see the need to drive a car that is 17 feet long and 4500 lbs.

Now, if they'd make a shorter model, about the size of the E-class, but with all of the appointments and features of the S, that I'd buy.

Long live the Mercedes Benz automakers, for they are the one making the most up to date stylish, well sophisticated design cars of all times and discover the true joy of driving with a legendary Mercedes-Benz parts like Mercedes Benz oxygen sensor, its the perfect long-term partners for those who love to drive.

I must say that I'm very disappointed that MB launched this car with apparently no research in one of it's most important markets, Southern California. I own a 2006 c-230 sport, and while it's not a bad car, 201 hp. doesn't cut it. I've been waiting for the 2008 c-class so I could trade mine in for more horses, and much to my dismay, the 2008 c-350 only delivers a lousy 268hp. I've been on the fence with the notion of switching to the new BMW 335, with 300hp, and it looks as though Mercedes-Benz has made my decision very easy. I think Mercedes believes that the consumer will upgrade to an e-class, however the e-class looks like a soccer mom's car. I actually prefer the handing of a smaller car. What on earth were they thinking?

the only benz that i enjoy is the e class, the '90 sportline, the '95 masterpice and the 2003 e class, (i dont like the 1st generation new eyes).

the e is a good cruising salon, while for smaller car i would rather drive a honda or toyota for s class...well its too large , id rather use my leathered mini bus, easer on the way out .

Hey guys,
I just bought a C 300 manual with P2 and multimedia package and I absolutely love this car.I didn't buy it because it was a mercedes I was not a fan of mercedes anyways but this years C class scored in every aspect price,looks,comfort and it suits my personality and for chris dude you need to grow up people buy cars based on their personal preferences and budget.It is easier to convince yourself that a 20K car is as good as 40K car but difficult to convince someone 40K car is as good as 20K.You cant afford a Benz so why are you upset on people who can and you have mentioned c for cheap and middle class so you drive a toyota what does that make you "Living under poverty".No wonder you love ur toyota.