Is the sarcasm needed?

"I guess GM has something to be happy about now, since they recently announced that their profits have dropped 90 percent.
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So, how much did this PR cost GM?

Look at Edmunds front page. There's three ads for GM. Go figure.

Acadia = overweight / underpowered and a cheap ass interior. Check out the new R & T comparison with the Acura MDX and a Mazda something. The Acadia comes in dead last. Look at the interior shots...it looks so much cheaper than the other two. The vents, the steering wheel is straight hickish it's so big, it looks like it belongs in a semi.

Sedan Under $15,000 - Chevrolet Cobalt

I would buy a Honda Fit or Hyundai Elantra.

Sedan Under $35,000 - Cadillac CTS
Sedan Under $45,000 - Cadillac STS

Yeah, who's going to take these pile of craps over a comparable Japanese or German peer?

Coupe Under $30,000 - Ford Mustang

The only reason I would agree here is because there or no RWD imports in this price class.

Convertible Under $25,000 - Saturn Sky

Miata.

Large Truck - Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra

Is this a joke? Wasn't it just announced that it's taking twice as long to sell one of these over the one it replaced?
I'll take a Tundra or Titan anyday.

SUV Under $35,000 - GMC Acadia/Saturn Outlook
SUV Under $45,000 - Chevrolet Tahoe/GMC Yukon/GMC Yukon XL/Chevrolet Suburban
SUV Over $45,000 - Cadillac Escalade/Escalade ESV

This make you laugh doesn't it lol?

$35k = Acura RDX, Nissan Pathfinder/Armada, Toyota 4runner/Highlander/Sequoia
$45k = Acura MDX, Infinity FX45, Land Rover LR3, Lexus GX470, Porsche Cayyane, Volvo XC90
$55k = Audi Q7, Range Rover, Lexus LX 470, Mercedes G-class, BMW X - class, Porsche Cayyane, Land Cruiser, Toureg, etc.

Oh ya this was a Consumers pole not a editors choice award. they all like imports. according to consumer reports US cars since 2000 have been the most reliable, dependable cars, based on the number of brake downs of the first 3 years of its life. I personally had a 98 caviler that had 300,000 miles and did not even replace a light buld, when I traded it in for a Pontiac G6 in 2005 and the same has accord. When I drive down the freeway daily. I see imports. Not old one but on Friday May 18th I seen a new Toyota with its hood up and steam coming out. When I hear of a death in a car its usually a Honda. Its all about real life. Not what so and so says. Young kids under 29 (DOB 1987) have been brain washed to think nothing from America is worth buying. You have to be able to read what your committing on, or it makes you look a butt head

Im sorry but Domestics are crap.......you are just so into domestics that you can't get over the fact that you are full of it. Look at the stats........most car deaths are in domestics, most less reliable= domestics.....most gass guzzlers= domestics....

all around you there is proof that domestics are crap........all they do good is design the car but the internal components are falling appart etc..... nobody's been brainwashed they've just been on earth..................unlike other people that are plain racist and/or just buy domestics cause they think it will help the economy. This is BS, Honda, Toyota have almost all their American cars built in the US with many US components so I don't really see how your argument makes sense.....

P.S. We all know your just jealous of the competition and how you cavalier broke down at 300 miles not the 300,000 you state.

goes to show what innovative styling and competitive pricing can do for a brand.GM are making all the right moves back towards profitablity they just need to continue to improve reliability and quality levels.toyota and there fellow asian brands have never managed to create desirable 'hot'cars,they merely provide reliable cheap auto's,or used to...would never own another toyota(blame the lil-lady for convincing me to buy it in the first place). aside from the fact that it broke down more than a ford and looked uglier than a daewoo it just lacked any kind of soul. it had no style no heart nothing but the cold lifeless dullness typical of toyotas much vaunted 'competitive supply' management approach,most appealing part was the paper floor-mat that the dealer supplied.
good luck for the future GM hope you and ford regain your footing as quality car makers and continue to proper for years to come.

Wow, Noya is an idiot. The GMC Acadia is years ahead of the foriegn shit she compared it too. The GMC gets the best fuel economy (18/26), seats the most people comfortably (8), has more standard an available features, more innovative ideas, a more advanced powertrain with a 275hp V6 and six speed manumatic and available all wheel drive, better styling, a better warranty (5 years/100,000miles), GM exclusive Onstar, better interior materials, quality and design, can tow more (4500lbs), has more cargo capacity (116.9 cuft), better handling, and is safer with 3 row side curtain airbags, traction control, stability control, abs, passenger airbag with sensing system, etc. Also, since she obviously likes foriegn cars, she should know that the her precious Mazda is powered by a Ford Duratec engine. The Miata looks like junk compared with the Saturn Sky and is underpowered. Cadillac is better than German and Jap competition.

Again, Noya is an idiot. The Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra and the best pickup trucks available today. The Toyota Tundra can't even come close--has anyone seen it's shitty poorly designed interior? The GMC Sierra Denali beats the Tundra's top engine choice with a 400hp V-8. Both the Chevrolet and GMC offer 2 interior choices, a truck interior and a luxury interior. Also, both trucks will soon be offered with the most advanced hybrid powertrain available, GM's two-mode hybrid system. This should help the trucks even more, seeing as they already have the best fuel economy of any pickup truck in their class by far. Not only that, but they have better towing capabilities as well and seven other engine choices, along with many cab styles, box legths and interiors. Did I mention that they are the safest too with the best warranty?

James, actually, you're completely wrong about everything that you said. But I'm gonna attack you on the main issue here--fuel economy. Did you know that the EPA's list of the least fuel efficient vehicles includes mostly European cars, not domestics and not 1 European car made it on the EPA's most fuel efficient list, so stop shitting on domestics. I own GMs, my family members own GMs and they're actually damn good cars, especially the new ones. some of America's safest cars are domestics (2008 Ford Taurus). I think the issue isn't whether domestics are better or not than foreign cars, it's really who supports America and the economy and who doesn't. It would a terrible blow to our economy if such companies as GM and/or Ford and/or Chrysler were lost. Not only that, but we would be losing American icons to foriegners. Before anyone mentions that Toyota, Honda and Nissan employ Americans, remember that GM employs 6 times as many as all three (Toyota Honda Nissan) combined--that's a damn lot more of American jobs. Americans need to have more faith in their companies. Actually, a majority of class leading vehicles are GMs. (Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia, Buick Enclave, Chevy Silverado, Chevy Avalanche, Chevy Tahoe, Chevy Suburban, Cadillac Escalade, GMC Sierra, GMC Yukon). Also, most of the best looking and designed cars are GMs (2009 Chevy Camaro, Saturn Aura, Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice, etc.) The Chevy Impala took the recently took the spot of 2nd best selling car in America, spankin the honda Accord. GM's 2-mode hybrid system is more advanced than the Toyota Prius, or anything else on the market. GM has many vehicles that get the best fuel economy of any other vehicle in their class. Keep in mind that Toyota and other foreign brands don't have to put up with money sucking, product hindering, overall pain in the ass labor unions like GM, Ford and Chrysler have to. Yet, even with this major problem, domestics (especially GM) have come out with, and continue to come out with, class leading products bar none. People don't understand that if the labor unions hinder GM, Ford and Chrysler suddenly dissapeared, billions upon billions of dollars with be freed up that could go into higher quality products, more research and developement, better plants, etc. Just think about this before you continue to hold your head high in a foreign vehicle. I would, no kidding, be ashamed to be seen driving a foreing vehicle on American soil. My last comment, did you know that Japan will not allow a foreign company to own property in Japan? Hmmm........

I can't believe that the XLR got the most votes for convertible over 60k.
Jeez have they got no imagination or what? given stuff like Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Aston Martins they'd still prefer an XLR? wow. losers.

General Motors is the most powerful and long-term profitable manufacturer in automotive history. Quit demeaning the great name and move on. Noya you are an idiot but quite possibly a sales...[woman??] of some sort.

I WANT a mustang but end up buying a camry because it gets better gas milage and has higher resell value, see how the market works? Caddy is a pimp status luxury car but did you see depreciation on those things? of course you will buy an import.

Chris, do you realize that what you're saying is non-sense? Any claim you could possibly fathom could still not diminish the fact that current-day Domestic cars are just not up to par in today's auto-industry, in any way. PERIOD.
You want to talk about fuel economy? Ok. You clearly state that Domestics are more fuel-efficient than European cars. In what regard is that relevant? When was the last time anyone cross-shopped an American made car to a European one, anyway? With the cheapest and lowliest of European brands Volkswagen recently making strides up market, it's even out of Cadillac's league. When was the last time someone shopping for a Mercedes, BMW or Porsche was concerned about their fuel-economy, or even so, considered a gaudy Cadillac? Most people that purchase these cars wouldn't piss and moan over such petty things as gas mileage. With the main argument here between Japanese and American, Asian imports, without a doubt, get better gas mileage on the average than their Domestic competition, you couldn't possibly argue with that.
Some of America's safest cars are domestics, huh? Then why have Ford Five-Hundreds been sitting on dealer lots so long their tires are beginning to deflate? You couldn't pay me to drive a Five-Hundred or, the "reinvigorated" 2008 Ford Taurus. And no, even its new name couldn't sway me enough - good luck convincing the rest of America. After all, the car has been such a disappointment to Ford they had to change the name in hopes of bumping up sales - hahaha. I'm sure the old Taurus, which was a piece of garbage to begin with, will surely use its good name and charm to sell this new 2008 piece of trash. Even with its claim of a "5-star crash test rating" they will STILL sit on dealer's lots for many months, go see for yourself.
Also, you state that the Impala was recently named second best-selling passenger car in America? Boy, you sure are ignorant. If only you knew how many of those Chevy Impalas went to fleets, and when I say that I mean RENTAL AGENCIES. That would account for probably 75% of those sales figures. I rent all different cars, from many rental agencies, all over the country in my business travels. Never in my life have I been enthused over an IMPALA. Who in their right mind would spend their hard-earned money on one of those with such offerings as the Camry and Accord - which SPANK the Impala in every aspect of competition.
The continuing Domestic automaker's struggle over employee-related costs, and thus, the decline of these automakers is something you, Chris, can blame on your fellow American UA workers. Buying more domestics will never overlap that problem. In the mean time, I'll piddle around in my Acura TL, one of the finest automobiles for the price... all the while a smile on my face, knowing I bought a car that is INCOMPARABLE to anything domestic.
P.S. I hope you and your family enjoy your American-made cars. Pick up Dad a new Taurus and Mom one of those ghastly and crappy Acadia’s. If supporting our country is your main priority, I sure hope you never purchase anything made in China, which accounts for nearly everything these days...you hypocrite, you.

the new ford fusion comercial claim their top of the line fusion has better proformance than Camry and accord, One thing they forgot....top of the line fusion has 221 hp....top of the line accord has 242 hp while the camry top of the line has 268 hp.... talk about false advertisement. FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily.....Fuck Ford

Now if US cars are so good that you try to make them out, how come you can't sell them outside North America? The answer is a quite easy...

Hey people... stop killing each other over cars.

I can guarentee you that even the owners of these car companies do not fight like this.

No offence .... but hell with cars. Ride the local transport, save the planet, save money, no car repairs or car depriciation.

WELL WHAT DO I KNOW.... I AM JUST A LITTLE GIRL WHO IS BROKE AND RIDES THE BUS.

in the words of Paul Smith a famous Wall street insider ---- "GM doesnt make cars, they make MONEY..." money out of Morons patronizing their so called American products!!!! if they are made in America how come 65% of their resources are outside of the US???? while Imports are 100% American made right here in the proud USA!!!
and that feebleminded Chris stating that Acadia is years ahead of the competition, i think he never heard or seen or driven an Acura MDX of an INfinity Q45 have you??? what a moron!!!

New American cars aren’t that bad. They are much improved in the last few years. Reliability I guess you would still have to wait and see what it turns out to be, it is still too early to see any major changes. As to holden's remark about the ford commercials they were aimed at fords competitors at the time witch were not the current generation Camry and accord, they just never updated the commercial for some reason to reflect the new models :-l. I personally think people take these arguments about imports and domestics too seriously. My first car was my dad’s 99 Chevy Malibu it ran with no problems in the time I had it, currently my sister drives it and it’s at 190,000 miles. I bought myself a 2005 Infiniti G35 and had nothing but problems with the engine while my cousin bought himself a 350z and has not had one. I later used the lemon law and got another G35 which had only one major problem so far, I’m currently waiting to trade it in for a g37. Sometimes it is almost like Russian runlet with these cars. I hear nothing but bad things about domestics and good things about imports from people repeating what they heard but people really can’t let that get in the way of buying a car. Just do research before to see if the company’s quality is up or down. A friend of mine worked for Gm until recently and said they are finally improving there designs to take on imports, but he still doesn’t trust them. Gm used to make some of the best quality cars in the world but stopped trying when they held on to the No. 1 spot too long. I hope Toyota coming up gives Gm some much needed competition. As for the Camry and accord I personally can’t stand there design or feel while driving, but that my personal preference. Reliability though they are good.

i cant bekieve this shit ,all of you japanesse and import lovers have really been brainwashed,i mean wht the hell no one grows up around here ,i used to be completely import-power,before 2000 ,after i worked 4 years in mechanics and believe me ,no one ,is ever going to make me believe that no imports are better than any gm , whether its kia,honda,pontiac,ford ,for god sake wakke up and smell the reality guys they all suck the same since 2000 and up ,consumers whant cheaper gaz consumation and more security ,so we made all cars cheapers .dont need stats to know that boys the only difference iz the price so you whanna get screwed for a logo be a 16 year old and buy youre toy but dont bicht a product if you dont know it,and for all of youse who compare accura to pontiac ,youre really lost dudes ,compare it to cadillac maybe youlle be suprize .ho yeah and noyan you really suck

english owns you philippe... please use WORD first then cut and past.. who the hell spells is with a z.. "iz"

Your hopeless

yeah ,thanks there steph , for the english leason ,id like you to try to write in my language , at least i can get myself understood sorry if it aint perfect enough for you there .anyways dint know this was a damn spelling contest ,thaught this place was to simply give oppinions, bout cars

it is sad so many who enjoy our freedom here in the USA have such a messed up attitude. soon our freedoms will be lost to some other country. we all better stand behind the USA and change attitudes. we have the best country in the world. why would some people find so much fault with our cars, our gov't? go live in japan or korea...we'll get along just fine without you. sad human beings.

My, you guys certainly prove one thing!!! We are all different with different tastes and opinions, and HEY, I probably have a different opinion again. I have owned over twenty cars - GM's, Toyota, Ford, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Honda, Chrysler. The biggest heaps of Sh... I have owned = GM, a close 2nd place goes to Ford. I bought a Mazda and sold it within 3 months because of bad ergonomics otherwise OK'ish, Toyota was reliable but not a drivers car, Honda nice ergonomics economical and good handling, my Chrysler Limo was very nice with fantastic power (7 litre Hemi) and surprisingly economical for a 7 litre, AND i have owned 9 Mitsubishi's - Pajero was fantastic, Diamante was Fabulous, L300 was a great work horse, and all my Galants (including a turbo - real adreneline stuff) have been superb. Currently I am driving a 94 Galant with over 200,000 on the clock (oldest car I have bought) and it has fantastic economy (40 mpg at 120kph) handling absolutely incredible, I arrive at my destination fresh as a daisy (no fatigue), and at 160kph (100mph) the tacho is reading 3700rpm which translates to 25mpg at that speed. I also have to ask all you guys who can't see past GM "when did GM win Paris to Dakar??? When did GM win the World Rally series???? etc etc. I love to drive ( I have driven well over 2 million miles), and I have not driven an American vehicle that does it for me except my Chrysler limo. In my experience Mitsubishi, Honda, and BMW are the best handling cars I have driven, and all my Mitsubishi's have been loyal servants to me. So there it is folks that is my experience, and the next car I buy will be a Mitsi.

P.S.
My 87 year old Mum has always remarked on the comfort and ride of all my Mitsubishi's, and she wouldn't know a Farari from an Honda Civic.

ANYHOW !,yep i think we all got our own oppinions on cars ,but i still say that since 2000 and up ,there all the same damn thing anyways, i dont see the difference once im working under them ,and if gm sucks that much whit a 160 000 km guarantie they must be pretty fuck up in the head ,so as i see it appart from exterior looks which gm as the # 1 spot there im ok,whit my pontiac torent .

Rod,

How do you calculate 100 mph @ 3700 RPM = 25 mpg??? What math is behind that statement?

Rod,

How do you calculate 100 mph @ 3700 RPM = 25 mpg??? What math is behind that statement?

Rod,

How do you calculate 100 mph @ 3700 RPM = 25 mpg??? What math is behind that statement?

We heard ya john. No one knows for sure but I think some of the bigger import companies are starting to have slipping quality such as the new Camry. If you read reviews you will start hearing things about body panel rattles, poor fit and finish, etc. Part of the problem is the sheer # of cars they are making I suppose you have to trade off a little quality for quanitity which I would guess is becoming the case for these companies. I have an 03 Murano that has 95,000 miles and that car is 100% as tight as when we got it new. No rattles squeaks, nothing. Only thing I have had to do was replace a radiator that cracked plus plugs and brakes. We had such good luck with it that I bought an 05 Altima 3.5 for myself in Sept. when my Grand Am got totalled. That car had 74K on it with these issues for comparison.... Wipers wouldnt stop in the cold, door seals all leaked water in, radio controls quit (had to use steering wheel for volume), DTRL quit working, MAF died, drivers window would randomly not go down, turn signal switch was bad, okay I cannot think about it anymore..... Thank god I got hit!!!

"So, how much did this PR cost GM?"

Probably about as much as it cost them for all the promised adverts to Motor Trend for the car of the year award ;-)

Though... I do have to admit myself the new CTS is pretty sexy.

I wouldn't drop my hard earned dollars on anything GM. I had an Olds Intrigue... ... beautiful car, right amount of power, solid engine, comfortable, drove nice but still kinda sporty.

Only thing was the transmission. Rebuilt it at 80K miles like clock-work... just like any other Ford.

Maybe GM is making better cars these days... BUT... i'm never again gonna bet any of my money on them.

The only thing they seem to make right the first time is the Corvette... but then again, every punk down the street has one now.

Ok gentleman and ladies,

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they stink. This is the bottom line. Imports are good cars, so are the newer domestics. I have always been a GM fanboy. I support GM and wouldn't buy anything else, well maybe a Ford. I won't buy an import. I am not saying they are junk, just saying I wont support them. The media has everyone brainwashed that the imports are better, not so. Also if your guys are talking about how GM is giving these guys PR, just look at every auto magazine, FUBAR. I think I can speak for some of you, but Noya doesn't know her ass from her elbow. She does not know the markets at all. I will agree that some GM's don't need to be up there, like the STS, CTS (except the new one) and XLR. Thinkgs like the Acadia, Yukon, suburbans, Escalade---these will continue to sell NO MATTER WHAT. I sell Buick, Pontiac and GMC's and we cannot keep the Acadias and Enclaves on the lot. I agree that the BMW's and such sell more than caddy sedans, but the caddy's do deserve some respect. Oh well, I am tired and am going to bed, have a good night all

So you say that 'ya heard me'... Apparently not.... 2 months later and my question is still not answered. (by the way, there must have been some sort of glitch in the comment posting, because I only hit 'POST' once... ya hear me??)

FYI....for anyone who mentioned Mazda, it's owned by Ford and most parts and the engines are Ford's very own. Some foreign cars are fairly advanced but companies like kia and hyundais are pieces of crap. They use horrible parts, have horribly weak engines and so on. Also most domestic are associated with being gas hogs because domestics are famous for large suv's. This is a misconception because the sequoia gets much worse gas mileage than the tahoe or yukon. Also the yukon and tahoe come available in hybrids and get 22 miles city!!! City is where most people drive 90 percent of the time and is really what matters. The sequoia is down in the low teens for gas mileage. Also the sequoia with the same options as the tahoe or yukon is virtually the same price.

Miata as most wanted convertable? LOL buddy what are you smoking the miata is a peace of crap and its mostly a chick car because of how fraking small the thing is. I agree that the Saturn sky would be the most wanted convertable for that price range because it looks so freakin awsome. MOst people don't think when they see a good looking car like the SKY so thats why its there. and BTW, didn't you even think about GM having the most brands in the auto industry today that this would be the reason that there mentioned the most. dude get a better taste in cars before posting on here again

domestics are just bunch of craps. buy imports!!

ford=fucker only runs downhill

This thread is really funny. Domestic vs Asian, Domestic vs European, bla-bla-bla. The best way to buy a car is to determine what you need and how much you can spend. Once you figure that out you can narrow it down to a few cars, suvs, or trucks from various manufacturers. Then, and only then, do you compare the specific details. Apples to Apples.

My last car purchase I narrowed the field by knowing that I needed a three row vehicle that seat at least 7, can pull 4000lbs+, and costs less than $34,000. This pretty much gets rid of all the Lux brands such as BMW, Audi, Lexus, Acura, Cadillac, etc. My choices were the Toyota Seqoia (stripped), Honda Pilot, Nissan Armada (stripped), Ford Expedition, Chevy Arcadia, Chevy Tahoe (stripped), Dodge Durango, and Jeep Commander. My next comparable warranty. End of story. Lifetime Powertrain with no deductible on the Dodge Durango and Jeep Commander, 100000 mile on the Arcadia. The others did not even come close. I went with the Commander with a life-time warranty, 16/19mpg, 5000lb towing, and with the $4500 rebate I got it for $28,500.

If you blindly pick by preconcieved ideas and do no research you are only hurting yourself and your pocket book.

This thread is really funny. Domestic vs Asian, Domestic vs European, bla-bla-bla. The best way to buy a car is to determine what you need and how much you can spend. Once you figure that out you can narrow it down to a few cars, suvs, or trucks from various manufacturers. Then, and only then, do you compare the specific details. Apples to Apples.

My last car purchase I narrowed the field by knowing that I needed a three row vehicle that seat at least 7, can pull 4000lbs+, and costs less than $34,000. This pretty much gets rid of all the Lux brands such as BMW, Audi, Lexus, Acura, Cadillac, etc. My choices were the Toyota Seqoia (stripped), Honda Pilot, Nissan Armada (stripped), Ford Expedition, Chevy Arcadia, Chevy Tahoe (stripped), Dodge Durango, and Jeep Commander. My next comparable warranty. End of story. Lifetime Powertrain with no deductible on the Dodge Durango and Jeep Commander, 100000 mile on the Arcadia. The others did not even come close. I went with the Commander with a life-time warranty, 16/19mpg, 5000lb towing, and with the $4500 rebate I got it for $28,500.

If you blindly pick by preconcieved ideas and do no research you are only hurting yourself and your pocket book.

I figure if the engine or transmission goes after 10 years and 150,000 miles, Jeep will put in a new one for free. Then I can get good resale or drive it for another 10 years and 150,000 miles. Ha Ha, suckers!

This thread is really funny. Domestic vs Asian, Domestic vs European, bla-bla-bla. The best way to buy a car is to determine what you need and how much you can spend. Once you figure that out you can narrow it down to a few cars, suvs, or trucks from various manufacturers. Then, and only then, do you compare the specific details. Apples to Apples.

My last car purchase I narrowed the field by knowing that I needed a three row vehicle that seat at least 7, can pull 4000lbs+, and costs less than $34,000. This pretty much gets rid of all the Lux brands such as BMW, Audi, Lexus, Acura, Cadillac, etc. My choices were the Toyota Seqoia (stripped), Honda Pilot, Nissan Armada (stripped), Ford Expedition, Chevy Arcadia, Chevy Tahoe (stripped), Dodge Durango, and Jeep Commander. My next comparable warranty. End of story. Lifetime Powertrain with no deductible on the Dodge Durango and Jeep Commander, 100000 mile on the Arcadia. The others did not even come close. I went with the Commander with a life-time warranty, 16/19mpg, 5000lb towing, and with the $4500 rebate I got it for $28,500.

If you blindly pick by preconcieved ideas and do no research you are only hurting yourself and your pocket book.

I figure if the engine or transmission goes after 10 years and 150,000 miles, Jeep will put in a new one for free. Then I can get good resale or drive it for another 10 years and 150,000 miles. Ha Ha, suckers!

If people knew anything they would buy a BMW anyway. Only fucking car worth a shit anyway.

Sorry, go german or go home.

If people knew anything they would buy a BMW anyway. Only fucking car worth a shit anyway.

Sorry, go german or go home.

If people knew anything they would buy a BMW anyway. Only fucking car worth a shit anyway.

Sorry, go german or go home.