This could be the death knell for Ford, Chevy and Dodge. A blind man could've seen this coming five years ago.

Oh boy a 400 hp toyota hybrid pickup that gets 20/25 mpg, and will be the ford truck killer. Oh wait! The F350 duallie with 6.2 liter dual overhead cam twin turbo charged diesel producing 450 hp and 575 lb/ft of torque already gets 20 + mpg and it's out now, Darn now what do i do?

Could be, but keep in mind that all the domestics are releasing hybrid drivetrains as well, especially for their truck lines. The domestics are actually focusing more on large vehicle hybrids rather than small which might work to their advantage in North America....Canada for example buys lots of small cars, but not many hybrids (10,000 hybrids last year out of 1.8 million vehicles)

R Collins:

Oh boy a 400 hp toyota hybrid pickup that gets 20/25 mpg, and will be the ford truck killer. Oh wait! The F350 duallie with 6.2 liter dual overhead cam twin turbo charged diesel producing 450 hp and 575 lb/ft of torque already gets 20 + mpg and it's out now, Darn now what do i do?

And what does that super duper, monstrous F350 cost?
$50k+
Who wants a duallie?
Rednecks who tow shit or think it's cool to say "my duallie"
20mpg...is that the EPA's ridiculously optimistic estimate?
Yes
Most people still don't like/wouldn't buy a diesel
True
Most people who buy an expensive truck would like it to have re-sale value (and the company going under isn't going to help that)
True

Noya,

The F350 was the best selling vehicle in America last year, not only out of trucks, all vehicles. Many people buy large trucks that are not red necks. They buy them for business purposes, personal reason (towing boats, trailers, cars etc.) so your statement about duallies saying only rednecks drive them is rather childish. Sure, they are large, and hard to park, but those trucks getting the mileage up in the twenties is a good thing. So, try not to just blindly attack, and try to understand what they are used for before you start making comments that you made. Also, my families company has a fleet of F350 duallies because they are needed, and having the trucks get better mileage would save the company quite a bit of cash.

R Collins,

Doesn't that engine produce 610ft/lbs and 350hp? I could be wrong, but I think your numbers are off a little.

wes

"And what does that super duper, monstrous F350 cost?
$50k+
Who wants a duallie?
Rednecks who tow shit or think it's cool to say "my duallie"
20mpg...is that the EPA's ridiculously optimistic estimate?
Yes
Most people still don't like/wouldn't buy a diesel
True
Most people who buy an expensive truck would like it to have re-sale value (and the company going under isn't going to help that)
True"

This Hybrid won't be cheap either. My guess is at least $35k.
People that do heavy towing want Duallies, not just 'rednecks'.
20mpg is about right. You really should look into Diesels more.
Most people have misconceptions about Diesel vehicles. Truth be told, they produce more power, and are more efficient.
Resale on Diesel trucks is a lot better than their gas equivalents. Once again, you should really look into Diesels more.

Oh yeah, this is something... Oh, except that the GM hybrid trucks are due out within 12 months.

I know, I know, all of you incredibly well informed bullies are ready to tell me that the GM trucks will only have 365HP vs. the Toyota's 400HP (even though you are the same ones who say you don't need a "truck" in other comments). The problem with the 365 vs. 400 argument is that the Toyota is going to have 20/25 mpg whereas the GM is going to AVERAGE 25mpg, which means 22/28 or23/27 or something like that.

I know, I know, all of you "American car people can never bother to back up their blather with support" are ready to tell me that it's a rumor. Well, you're almost right, it's a news report which is rumor's second cousin, thrice removed.

Oh yeah, this is something... Oh, except that the GM hybrid trucks are due out within 12 months, not 36.

I know, I know, all of you incredibly well informed japanese-car-loving-bullies are ready to tell me that the GM trucks will only have 365HP vs. the Toyota's 400HP (even though you are the same ones who say you don't need a "truck" in Honda comments). The problem with the 365 vs. 400 argument is that the Toyota is going to have 20/25 mpg whereas the GM is going to AVERAGE 25mpg, which means 22/28 or23/27 or something like that.

I know, I know, all of you "American car people can never bother to back up their blather with support" are ready to tell me that it's a rumor. Well, you're almost right, it's a news report which is rumor's second cousin, thrice removed.

Oh, here it is...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=116373

400 hp and 20/25 is sweet and all, but I'd rather have a Tundra with 300 hp and 25/30 mpg. I don't need my pickup to run low 14's. I can settle for 15-flat. ;)

I'd actually consider a hybrid tundra. I'll admit though my options are wide open when I get my next car/truck. I currently have a 2007 Toyota Camry SE, and even their quality has declined a little in recent years. Of the cars/trucks/SUVs I test drove prior to buying though, it still seemed better than the competition ...especially domestic. I don't have any brand loyalty per se, but do follow what's on the market. I'm still surprised the "Big 3" still haven't embraced quality, especially in interiors. My brother has a 2005 Mustang GT and the interior plastic and trim is terrible. It's already rattling pretty bad. As far as gasoline vs diesel vs E85 vs hybrid? Well they ALL have their advantages and disadvantages and mileage isn't the only factor to worry about. Gasoline is obviously expensive and contributes to global warming, but it produces a fair amount of energy per volume. Diesel is efficient, but produces a lot of particulates and that definitely isn't good for the air. E85 is very inefficient when you look at the resources needed to fuel anything. Hybrids have the batteries that are going to turn into a serious issue in the near future when they need to be replaced and we need some place to dispose of the unrecyclable ones. What about methanol? So what if it produces a clear flame when on fire (safety)...it worked real well when powering Indy cars a number of years back.

This may not be the smartest move by Toyota. Toyota owns Hino a straight truck manufacturer thats quite popular in asia and is gaining popularity in Canada. Hino has a reputation of building quality diesel engines and was in fact responsible for a good portion of the engineering that went into the new Tundra. If Toyota really wants to take a bite out of the full-size truck market they need to introduce heavy duty and super duty versions of the Tundra featuring Hino designed diesels in a hybrid configuration.

Trucks will benefit from hybrid setups. While working for the Toronto Pearson Airport's maintenance department, I saw the department planning to implement hybrid full-sized trucks since most of the workers would idle their vehicles for hours while on the airfield. Having a hybrid would be very advantageous in this situation and even GM's mild hybrid would be useful.

I Remember Way Back when We Drove Only American Cars And Trucks---Gas Milage Was 12 MPG--HP Was Very Low And So Was The Gearing----We Had To Double Clutch To Shift Because The Were Very Little Auto Shift And The Auto Shift That We Did Have Were Called Power Slide---Every Thing Got Moved From Point A To Point B---Those Were The Good Old Days---Or So They Say---They Say That Because They Did Not Ever Drive Those Old (New) Pieces Of Crap---I Would Rather Drive Anything We Have Now , Over Then----OhYea---I Plan To Buy A Tundra With The Big Engine And Enjoy Driving Again !

I Remember Way Back when We Drove Only American Cars And Trucks---Gas Milage Was 12 MPG--HP Was Very Low And So Was The Gearing----We Had To Double Clutch To Shift Because The Were Very Little Auto Shift And The Auto Shift That We Did Have Were Called Power Slide---Every Thing Got Moved From Point A To Point B---Those Were The Good Old Days---Or So They Say---They Say That Because They Did Not Ever Drive Those Old (New) Pieces Of Crap---I Would Rather Drive Anything We Have Now , Over Then----OhYea---I Plan To Buy A Tundra With The Big Engine And Enjoy Driving Again !

ok your guys are all itdiots toyotas are good trucks yes. and every truck has some thing going for it but every one here for got to mention the cummings engine in dodges and duramax(izuzu) they get good fuel economy lots of power though and long lasting both of them put that in ta toyoat truck wiht an allison transmion and have a 1 tone version with a dual configuration and you would ahve the best of every thing in one truck. and fuck you to the person who say only red necks want daulies your an idiot and must be a city slicker that odesnt even need a truck and just has one as a pavment buety and it never evn work and gets dirty like a fucking pick up shoul your an ass hole and should get out a bit more

also ford are the worst trucks around right now i live in the central part of BC Canada were the mayority of canada wood exports comes from so yah were red necks but amaericans are stupid and so are city poeple they drive around in there big trucks and half of them never see wrol they just drive from point a to point b we own a auot shop and a logging company our fleets are cumming desil for out in the bush cus there trucks can handel the beating and our on high way delivery truck are all duramaxs and kenworths with cummings in them
our person bush truck that dont have to haul fuel and stuff are new toyoata ans there good truck and though but dont yet have the towing and desil prformace of the other ones their ride and the over all truck is way better. and to the guy wiht the ford haha your and idiot all the ones up here are breaking down and are piles of shit. bbran new ford truck with 500 kms head gasket blew on a desil fuck that a same and they should go back to th drawing board for a few years

Dude, learn to spell...

I loved my toyota tundra (2001) it is dependable, interior quality good,performance better.,ford truck bad quality,Dodge trucks good

what about nissan? any words on their armada hybrid?

What about Nissan- Who cares. The lack of quality, care and effort they put into building their vehicles rivals that of Dodge. Toyota will give us a diesel soon so relax. In reality what they hell do we need a Toyota that tows so much and has great fuel efficiency? Oh ya, because basically only the GM HD products actually put out any kind of quality that can compare and even that's pretty far behind Toyota. Ford and Dodge will soon be dead so what will be left will be GM and Toyota trying to top one another. No matter what Toyota puts out I'm not going to buy it for a couple of years until they get the design right.

chevy ford dodge what there is to say L O S E R S .hey ford remember that commercial when the f-150 came out of c-30 and stopped the plane jee i just wonder what may happened to those brake systems ha ha,no wonder it is not No#1 truck,chevy built like a rock soon it will turned into dust,finally dodge great american car not.