The Evo X engine is 2.0 liter not 2.9

"The transmission will be similar to VW's DSG, but according to an internal source it will be better than the VW version."

that just sounds stupid. How is it better?

The STi looks like Ford Focus in the first pic...-_-|||

Why would anyone build a go-fast car these days and NOT give it a 6-speed manual? It's the same stupid crap GM's doing with the Solstice/Sky - all the competition has 6 gears and they have 5.

Actually, there are reviews that claim certain Manu-matic trannies are able to shift almost as fast as a F-1 driver. Even if they are 20% slower, that's much faster than 99.9% (I'm guessing) of the overall buyer segment. That being the case, it looks like they want to push buyers towards that option instead of the fully manual one.

My heart is set on the Evo X and the one thing I am hoping is that they don't mess with the tranny the way BMW has done with their SMG.

I don't think the Subaru hatch will have good sales in the USA.

A cross between an old Saab, a Focus, and a ? It's ugly.

The new Evo seems fantastic, it seems the US is finally not going to get short changed on the high-tech electronics.

I read somewhere they finally replaced the venerable 4G63T (I had a 1st gen GSX in high school) iron-block with an aluminum one. That alone must save...what, 75+ lbs off the nose?

Speaking of the front end, it looks pretty sharp. I see some elements of the Volvo S40 mixed with...something. It looks good.

Correct, the 4g63 is done. I believe the new engine is the B-11T.

Remy,

6 speed manuals aren't always a good thing. The older STI's came with a close ratio 6 speed. What a PITA. Talk about having to shift a lot. They're garbage unless you enjoy shifting your car more than you enjoy driving it.

However, if they make it like a 5 speed, but with a highway gear then I'm in favor of the 6 speed.

I'm not so sure I like an aluminum block replacement. The old high horsepower EVO's, Supras, Skylines all used Iron block, alu heads.

Man the EVO is going to have the paddle shifters, what bout the STI? 6 speed paddle shifted will be why I'd buy an EVO over STI. Make it 7 while you're at it :)

Personally they look too much like concepts, even though I'm in the favor of the EVO, I think they've dropped the bomb on both of them. Anyways, a little of the old, the evo 8 was still the best in United States (even though the 9th was faster, but had a diff. engine), I have never seen an evo loose to a Subaru, except if the Subaru was costumized more than the Mitsu.. People, do you know of the LANCER EVOLUTION VI RS-450, I heard that was the fastest evo made (0 to 60, in 3.6sec. and to 100 in 4.3 or something like that). I heard they only had 6 of them made. I'd be glad if someone told me! thnx... ps I probably won't come back to this chat room!?!?

The Evo ur thinking of is the fq400 witch is only availble in europe. It has 405bhp and it can go 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. If you google the video evo fq400 it will show you the video of 5th gear witch they took it against the lamborghini murcialago and it out handled the lambo and and did the same 0-60. They have a few made for the UK. It was the celeberation of mitsubishi motors being in uk for like 40 years or somethin like that. It's the Evo 8 and 9 MR FQ400. My opinion is that subaru sucks period. They have had 300hp in the wrx sti's and they can't even beat the bottom of the line evo's witch are 5spd and the sti has 6spd. I have personaly seen the two car go at it with eachother a lot of times and the evo dominate's every time. They are so high tech and fast, that you always see them getting compared to V12 V10 V8, etc. Like lambo's, ferrari's, 911's, mercedes and BMW, you get what i'm try'n to say. Over all and in every angle the evo wins hands down, no coparison in it's class what so ever. Please don't come to diss just because you like a car. Research you're fact's and personaly see the two go and drive both of them before you diss. I have drivn both, seen both drivn by perfessional's and seen both race high performance excotic sports car. Only the evo's came up dominant. The highest hp evo in the market for the average joe has like around 287hp while the sti has 300 and the evo only has 255 wheel hp. Now the wrx sti has more and can't even beat the evo. The evo x is going to have 300hp witch is the future evo while the modern and past sti already had that but can't even beat the modern bottom of the line evo witch is 5spd way less hp??? sti suck's.

What a Joke!!!!, That thing that looks like a bloated Tick that Subi calls the next STi will be a massive flop. The 2008 sedan is ok but this will not sell, hatchbacks may be big in Europe but not here. Why would they do this, don't they listen to costomers? The STi sedan is sucessfull, dont fix what is not broke. The only positive is that this bastard child of a SAAB and a Minivan will make more people buy the new EVO X and it will help save the struggling Mitsubishi firm.

the new evo looks like shit its the uglyest car ever the evo 9 is the best looking car in the world

To the argument of "these need a six speed:" I'd almost agree, but remember, these are track cars. Most tracks are to short for a car to burn through all six gears. I've driven several cars with 6 gears, and only when on the Interstate or doing the quarter mile do I need 6 gears. Whenever I go to a run-down neighborhood, though, to try taking some corners, I usually only need the first 5. Every car I've ever driven sets the top gears at a much higher spot than the first few, so once I hit 5th gear you can almost bet I will never need to go above that.

Six speeds are, however, great for everyday driving. Especially long commutes: sixth gear and the overdrives (that would make a great band name) are amazing for that kind of work.

So I think the decision to use a 5 speed here is actually a good one: it saves weight. add another gear, add more weight. In what are already heavy cars because they have to meet all the street-legal requirements.

Looks like I need to post my video of where my STI beats up on all gen EVO's at infineon and Thunderhill -- including highly modified EVO's.

Ok, the EVO drivers were all rice talk with no substance -- if you know how to setup the STI for track you'll be neck and neck in terms of lateral G's (I got data to prove and footage to prove). Once you get over suspension setup of the STI, you use what the STI does best, it's torque curve -- that's where you'll eat an EVO for lunch.

The 6 speed manual on the STI is rock solid -- "too many gears" -- OMG that just exposes your complete lack of knowledge -- don't like shifting -- ha ha ha ha -- oh yeah you must be a great driver.

As far as looks, I prefer the new STI look over my old '04 STI shopping Cart handle. The rear wing on my '04 STI was just not very functional (as in zero downforce).

But if you want a street/track car then go get a Lotus Exige S or track package version and toss a dealer installed turbo on it (with warranty). The only vestage of an EVO or STI will be a distance dot in your mirror. Weight to HP ratio boys and girls and that's where the Lotus Exige S dominates.

Hey Rob, I loved the first paragraph of your post. It made for some good comedy relief.

My favorite EVO driver comments "you should put a roll cage in that thing the way you drive it" -- now that is comedy relief!

I don't have a roll cage on my 125cc shifter Kart so I ain't gettin' one for my old STI.

boys and their EVOs -- aight, I'll dig up the footage tonight and post my links

There's a lot of good and a lot of bad in what I'm reading.

First off, it was Top Gear that did the Evo vs. the Lambo (watched the episode quite a few times). Yes, the Evo KEPT UP, but when you look at the track times, the Evo doesn't do better than the Lambo (although it doesn't do much worse...it was the Evo 400 though). And, they usually say that the Evo has better performance than the WRX, but the WRX is more comfortable.

Now, having a sixth gear is a bad idea? Wow...With a sixth gear, you can lower the ratios on all of the other gears to pull faster times. With a turbo, the big problem is turbo lag; you want to avoid it as much as possible, and lowering the gear ratios (by adding an extra gear) is a great way to do that. Plus, for the consumer market you can have two transmissions, the Sport and the Stock. Get the better speed with the sport and the better mileage with the stock (like an overdrive).

Now, the dual clutch transmission known as DSG is absolutely amazing. It is currently the best transmission on the market (CVT would be if it was a dual CVT). BMW's SMG was a flop because it was not a true dual clutch transmission (it was just a different way of shifting through the gears); it was really really bad (that's why they've more-or-less retired it in favor of their manual transmissions - they plan on making a VW like dual clutch as well). If Mitsubishi plans on making a dual clutch that's better than VW's, the Evo X will be even better.

Also, a DSG style transmission is "automatic," in other-words you do not need to shift, it will do it for you, but the car will have paddle shifters so you can shift if you want to. The beauty of dual clutch trans. is they are basically a manual style transmission (no torque converter!), and in "automatic" mode they shift way faster than any person can. The downside is that most dual clutch trans. does not let you shift past a certain point (if your in 1st gear speed, you usually can't shift into, or past, 3rd gear...the "brains" of the car won't let you); hopefully they don't do this, and will let the driver have full control (more or less)!

And as for the Subaru: Why a hatchback? Didn't they learn from BMW's mistake (who took a big hit to the pocket book with the old 1 series)? AMERICAN'S DO NOT WANT A WAGON!

Oh, and the artist rendering on the Evo is missing the "Sonic the Hedgehog spikes" (quoting Jeremy Clarkson, host of Top Gear).

I have yet to see an "street" car with semi-automatic shifts that are even close to what a good driver can do. The Ferrari Enso comes close but leaves room for improvement. Regardless at this price pointk, more gimmick auto-shifting for those that can drive manual and heal toe on the track.

Come on folks, just apply common sense 2.0 I4 EVO vs. 2.5 litre F4 STI -- not matter what you do to either engine more displacement always wins in the street category. An you have far fewer oiling issues to deal with on a flat 4 than you do in an inline 4.

Subaru and BMW -- errr...last check you can buy two STI's for the price of one BMW so why even make that comparison? Is that your formal poll on what American's want -- glad you cleared that up with some reality...oye!

The EVO looks like my wife's old Mazda 3 and probably just as junky feeling.

"Actually, there are reviews that claim certain Manu-matic trannies are able to shift almost as fast as a F-1 driver. "

Was that a joke?

F-1 drivers click paddles...

And those quoting Top Gear's review forgot to mention how bad the reviewer (Jeremy Clarkson) bashed the car for practicality. He cited terrible turning radius, and bad ride quality to name a couple.

Also, most modern high end automatic trannies are capable of shifting gears faster than it is humanly possible to do with a manual, end of story. (see DSG, Porsche's latest Tiptronik, F-1 Transmissions, etc.)

@Rob:

"With up shifts taking a mere 8 milliseconds," (from Howstuffworks about DCT's - Dual Clutch Transmission's). Wow, if anyone could shift that fast they'd have more than a world record. F1 racers have used DCT style transmissions for years; they are only now getting into the consumer market. And Rob:

"Come on folks, just apply common sense 2.0 I4 EVO vs. 2.5 liter F4 STI -- not matter what you do to either engine more displacement always wins in the street category."

Why don't we compare a Lotus to anything your driving. A vehicle that has a 1.8L I4. Wow, that's even smaller than the Evo's, but:

"· 0-60 mph 4.1 sec
· 0-100 mph 11 sec
· Top Speed 148 mph"

Stats taken strait from the Lotus website. Oh, and if you want real world stats, go over to the Top Gear website. The Exige S (the turbo version) is .3 seconds slower than the Evo FQ 400 and .6 second faster than a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder (the Lotus ranks 32 on the list). Oh, and the regular Exige ranks 33 vs. the regular Evo's 42 and the STi WRX WR1's (the best Subaru) 46. Displacement looses yet again (a 1.8L vs. the Lambo's 5.0L). The bigger the engine doesn't mean the faster the car. A lot of other factors need to be taken into account (especially the transmission). Furthermore, the Evo and the STI are rally cars, NOT street cars. They go fast on the road because they're meant to go fast off the road.

The boxer and inline engines have different qualities and different drawbacks. In fact, the V style engine was made to try to take advantage of the best parts of the two engines. You can't say one is better than the other based on displacement alone. Plus, the only reason that the Evo is a 2.0L is because those were rally-racing rules back in the day, no more than a 2.0L engine. They've upped it since then, but Mitsubishi believes they don't need to up the engine size in order to increase performance (which they prove with each new Evo). If you're going to argue about performance make sure you know your stuff first.

Oh, and how can you buy two STi's for the price of one BMW? Especially when the Subaru cost $18,000 (entry) and the 1 series (the car I noted) cost around $22,000 entry. Yes it's more expensive, but there was a point in what I was trying to say:

"Didn't they learn from BMW's mistake (who took a big hit to the pocket book with the old 1 series)?"

I can dissect that sentence a thousand times, but what it comes down to is that the BMW 1 series was a flop. BMW lost a lot or money when the brought a hatchback 1 series to America (that's why the new 1 series will be a sedan/coupe), and it is a very good possibility that Subaru will have the same luck BMW had. That was the point I was trying to make by bringing up the BMW...it had nothing to do with the cost of either!

@Bob:

Yes, that's true. Thank you for clarifying that (I just left it as "Evo performs better...WRX is more comfortable." But that really doesn't say anything about the real downsides to the car...Oh, and YouTube that video, the turning radius is so bad it's funny!).

what about the p2 prodrive? prodrive develops the sti...do you think that tec is going to waste? AND IT BEAT THE FQ400

im from south africa, i own a 2007 sti i never lost to a evo...in a straight or on a bend.............we race on freeways,mountain passes and on circuits...i admitt the evo is a good car it looks good and performs well...but between the evo and sti...both have pro's and con's the one's pro's is the others con's...and remember if a drivers skill surpasses his cars abilities...he can lessen the cars disadvantages...i believe a car that corners fast is a fast car...and a driver that can corner through tight bends and horrord conditions is a good driver.............a driver has his limits certain people will worry about a accident you might have or damaging the car...thats the only way a driver gets faster is through mistakes n learning from them...i own a awd......even though its a awd i drift down hill with it and i grip race with it...no barriers on the side just cliff...

a car doesnt make a driver.... a driver does...

how do i put a video on this site? i wanna show you a downhill battle of mine against a f430....

I don't know why everyone is so against hatchbacks. Myself and a lot of people I know only own 1 vehicle...and a sedan doesn't cut it unless you hire someone to do all your house fixing chores. A hatch is SOOOO much more functional than a sedan. I can fit more in my Focus hatch than I could in my grandpa's Cadillac Deville. I have thrown a push lawnnmower and a mini bike my Focus...dimensions on the bike were 3 ft by 2 ft by 3.5 ft.
So, unless you own a second vehicle like a truck or pay someone to do all your housework,I do not know how you can get along easily with a sedan...especially a compact one.

Also, personally, I think hatches have a lot more fluid look than sedans..but that is opinion.

Subaru Impreza WRX STI

This is a great car people say it looks like a Ford Focus or some kind of Sabb. I truley dont think that it does it still will kick ass it will beat the evo any day because the subaru is lighter and has more HP and torque. They have added way more acsecories. It also has way better handiling. I think it well sell very well.

Look folks, there is no replacement for displacement. That said, the STI with it's bigger engine will always make more power than any smaller engine with equal mods. Not much, but more. So the only real question is: How much money are you willing to dump into your car to make it go fast? When these cars are tested, usually it's done with stock setups. The EVO has always had a better suspension off the lot that the STI. It's a choice Subaru made to make the car more comfortable to drive every day. This is why the EVO always makes better track times. Who leaves their suspension stock these days? I really don't think one car is better than the other, it's just a question of driver ability and how much cash you're willing to dump into it to get it to the level you want. But for someone to say they've never seen an EVO get beat by an STI is retarded. Really though, have we forgotten what these cars were originally designed for? Um, WRC anyone? How long has Subaru dominated that?

what's funny is most people have not driven either but yet have there favourites and diss the other lol. u retards get a fuckin job

The EVO looks awesome (evil), The STi looks like ma dogs shit lol. Dispute that! All it shows is that you're a scooby fan. Am neither but that's the truth, just look man

It may sound strange but for me a proper evo is the 6 or even better the 6.5(tommi makinen edition),for me it;s the fastest evo ever

First off Chris I can show you 4G63t powered cars that may be making as much as 1500 horse power, and 1500 ft lbs of torque if we calculate by their 1/4 trap speed, and elapsed time. Youtube John Shepherd and you will see a DSM talon with a 4G63t run 7.70 @ 191 mph, which depending on how much the car still weighs indicates I would say somewhere between 1200~1500 hp. The fastest STi with it's bigger so obviously more powerful 2.5l engine runs 9.5 @ 150 mph.

I share other peoples concerns that the 4B11T with an aluminum block will not mod as well as the venerable 4G63t

These F1 style shifters like VW's DSG, and the tranny in the new Evo shift much faster than humanly possible. Anyone who thinks they can shift in .008 seconds is crazy, a typical driver shifts in about .500 seconds so VW's DSG is more than 60 times faster at shifting than an average driver, Most other companies with transmissions of this type range between about 100~200 milliseconds, which is why VW's are held up as pretty much the standard here. There are also calibration issues, when and how it will let you do manual shifts, and of course how roughly it engages the next gear when shifting to consider when figuring out how "good" a transmission of this type is, If Mitsubishi can even get close to DSG quality the new transmission will rock.

CVT is an inferior tech IMHO, the transmissions weigh a lot more, than manual or DSG style units. CVT's generaly have problems dealing with high torque output . Regardless of manufactures claims, or for that matter EPA claims. last test I saw of a CVT and regular automatic in the same car with the same engine, the CVT accelerated better, and got worse fuel economy by around 2~3 mpg. And please look up how CVT's work, they are usually chain driven and at least vaguely similar to how the gears work on a bicycle. A "dual" CVT would make very little sense unless it were designed to split power for an application where the base unit was inadequate to deal with say Torque output from the engine. The Dual clutch DSG works by having 2 clutches, so that the transmission can ready a gear at the second clutch, to improve the shift times, very different concepts.

And lastly the STi is faster in the hands of an unskilled driver, because it tends towards pushing understeer, which really is more confidence inspiring and easier to control for most drivers, it just sort of plods along in the corners, and it's easy to recover from a slide if you push to hard. The Evo drives nothing like this and remains a noticeably faster track car in the hands of a gutsy and skilled driver.

I think they wanna compete with the HONDA Hatchback civic that in UK since the hatch is out the since for honda and have substituded with a crappy Honda Fit. i think its time for honda to knock out the competition and bring the UK badboy to the states and bring it on Subaru & Hyundia, Kia, Toyo, Scion!

Is it just me or do I see a hint of skyline in the nose of the new EVO?
The STI will have no problems selling here in the states. Hatch's are not crazy popular here in the states but this new STI might just start a tuner trend.....oh ya wait, tuner's love the hatch anyhow, oh ya and the "functional" (Eric) part of a hatch is spot on. Personally I'v drove both the 05 STI and the Evo 8 and fell in love with both car's. to pick one over the other will be debated forever. As it has been seince they both came here to the states.
I am almoast creaming my pants just imagining the two new aditions.

I personally think they both now look like garbage(personal opinion), which makes me very sad as I have been a diehard EVO fan(we'll go with worshiper) before either of the two even came to America(since '98 when Gran Turismo 1 came out). I think the new STI will be hurt greatly due to its hatchback design, dont get me wrong I really like hatchbacks(I race an '88 Honda CRX Si) but there at least needs to be a saloon. The new EVO, well, its just too much technology and not enough car anymore. It makes me wonder if Mistu and Sooby have just absolutely forgotten what made their cars so great in the first place. These cars are rally cars, not functional grocery getters. I for one am am saying screw it all and am soon to import a EVO VI from Japan. IMO, the best EVO. Side question, did the FIA up the displacement in the WRC? I wasnt aware of this(course I dont follow anymore since NEITHER Mitsu or Sooby are in the WRC anymore.....)

Who has been winning all the rally races for the last 15 years? Clue #1 Not any heap from Mitsubishi. Is Mitsubishi even a viable car company anymore?

Gee Jimmy, I don't know. Were you referring to Citröen or to Peugeot?

Manufacturers World Championship
2006 Ford (Focus WRC)
2005 Citröen (Xsara WRC)
2004 Citröen (Xsara WRC)
2003 Citröen (Xsara WRC)
2002 Peugeot (206 WRC)
2001 Peugeot (206 WRC)
2000 Peugeot (206 WRC)
1999 Toyota (Corolla WRC)
1998 Mitsubishi (Lancer Evolution V)
1997 Subaru (Impreza WRC

^^^ Haha exactly

I own an Evo 9 MR and it is a GREAT car. It handles better than anything else I have driven (including the STi). But the STi is probably better than the Evo in terms of daily driving comfort. My car has a harsh ride and is loud and hot inside. But I wouldn't trade it for most anything (well, maybe a Caparo T1...)

I will not buy the Evo X because they have ditched the 4G63 cast iron block. But if I had to, I would choose it over the STI. With that SAWC they have now, it should outperform my Evo 9 MR!

BTW, someone mentioned the Evo at 1200 hp but I believe AMS has the highest HP Evo at just above 1000 HP. Keep in mind this is a 2.3 liter (I think) stroked Inline 4.

The Evos have been traditionally easier/cheaper to mod because of the DSM heritage of the 4G63 engine. You can get massive HP out of an Evo for a few thousand in bolt-on parts. STi's usually require a LOT more money to get to the same level of power.

Evo is faster in the 1/4 mile stock and handles better on the street, but the STi will beat it on the gravel and definitely sounds better.

Between this whole Evo and Sti Thing, Evo wins hands down. Its effortless. I have an Evolution 8 MR with 3inch Turbo back, 272 Cam shafts / Hks Cam gears / Fuel Pump / manual boost controller / and an aem short ram intake. I have Smoked any modified WRX STI. DO NOT COMPARE THE TWO. Evolution always dominates and screws the sti in the ass blind folded. Go check the videos... A STOCK! Evolution not even MR edition can beat an sti 0-60 1/4 mile and around a track every single time. You think STI has more room for Modification and can be faster?? for all you EVO haters.. do the following then STfu.. Open up internet explorer and type this in
http://www.amsperformance.com/videos.php

watch the videos.. then talk. You dont see 8 second WRX STI or any Big company Supporting STI.

I Suggest you read up on your facts and you compare the two before you start Running your mouth and talking crap about the cars.

The day you see An Sti go head to head with a Lambo Murcielago
and shame it... that is the day you can compare the two and talk crap about the other car. Until then the evolution wins in every category except Horse power out of dealer stock. BUt itll still spank an sti =)..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E4UJ2yLI31c

GO ahead and talk crap to defend you dinky STI.. in the end.. The greatest joy and thrill you will get in an STI is seeing the rear tail Lights of that Evo that just spanked your ass and left you in his Exhaust Fumes.

GG

this Evo will probably sell more than the STi. that STi looks like shit

yeah, that STi's looc like a cheap ass shitty ford focus
and the ugther one is jsut plain ugly like my ass

the new evo x has a brand new 4G92 engine and a new better looking shape better acceleration and a higher top speed and there is still room for personal customization what ant gear head would like :) now on the other hand the new sti looks like a ford focus with a subaru body kit not many people got for the hatch back design

WOW there's alot of animosity between the Evo group and the STI guys ! Having driven both vehicles I can say one thing for sure, both vehicles are insanely quick and EQUALLY fast. How about instead of arguing which is better, say that they are both waaay better than any american muscle car (I've driven an 03 Cobra SVT for a while and it is crap...but fast), we should be on the same side ;)

To those of you who despise Subaru for going to a hatchback for the STI keep a couple of things in mind. #1 no sedan has won the WRC in 10 years. This is because hatchbacks have better dynamics than sedans. When Mitsu doesn't win the WRC for another few years expect to see Evo hatchbacks. #2 Petter Solberg pushed Subaru to go with the hatchback for the STI purely because he wanted it to be a better drivers car. I love to drive, not to pose, so they can do whatever they want to the style, as long as they make the car better to drive.

So then, the STI is for drivers and the Evo is for posers. No, just kidding, we're all on the same side ;)

Ok, so the debate over which is the better car seems to be an up in the air thing. Both sides seem to be seeing more pros and less cons on their side no matter what the other side says. So how would the debate go if bang per buck was discussed, aswell as bang per modified buck?

the sti is ugly blah blah blah thats all im hearing. but to me this sound like everyone up in this joint is an Evo fan.

whos winning the WORLD rally cup?

it must be so frustrating for mitsu to have a faster and better handling car and not win shit haha.

the STi is sold.
you guys are just talking out of your asses.

the sti is ugly blah blah blah thats all im hearing. but to me this sound like everyone up in this joint is an Evo fan.

whos winning the WORLD rally cup?

it must be so frustrating for mitsu to have a faster and better handling car and not win crap haha.

the STi is sold.
you guys are just talking out of your a$$es.

hey ART!
The EVO is..
UNCOMPARABLE
UNBEATABLE
BETTER
THE BEST
FASTER

why have all that perfomance when you cant do anything but go in a straight line with it..

STi - World Rally Cup - 10Years. GOLD. 1ST.
theres my cold hard facts BITCH.

oh, and the evo will always sound like a ricer..

STi SOLD

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

I get it evo this, evo that, it's faster - there is just one problem.......

It is a Mitsubishi..... where is the quality???

It might as well be an American can and in two years when it no longer works you can buy a new Evo, and by then it will be a hatchback.