2008 Mitsubishi EVO X vs 2009 Subaru WRX STi Who Will Steal the Crown?

The Evo X engine is 2.0 liter not 2.9

"The transmission will be similar to VW's DSG, but according to an internal source it will be better than the VW version."

that just sounds stupid. How is it better?

The STi looks like Ford Focus in the first pic...-_-|||

Why would anyone build a go-fast car these days and NOT give it a 6-speed manual? It's the same stupid crap GM's doing with the Solstice/Sky - all the competition has 6 gears and they have 5.

Actually, there are reviews that claim certain Manu-matic trannies are able to shift almost as fast as a F-1 driver. Even if they are 20% slower, that's much faster than 99.9% (I'm guessing) of the overall buyer segment. That being the case, it looks like they want to push buyers towards that option instead of the fully manual one.

My heart is set on the Evo X and the one thing I am hoping is that they don't mess with the tranny the way BMW has done with their SMG.

I don't think the Subaru hatch will have good sales in the USA.

A cross between an old Saab, a Focus, and a ? It's ugly.

The new Evo seems fantastic, it seems the US is finally not going to get short changed on the high-tech electronics.

I read somewhere they finally replaced the venerable 4G63T (I had a 1st gen GSX in high school) iron-block with an aluminum one. That alone must save...what, 75+ lbs off the nose?

Speaking of the front end, it looks pretty sharp. I see some elements of the Volvo S40 mixed with...something. It looks good.

Correct, the 4g63 is done. I believe the new engine is the B-11T.

Remy,

6 speed manuals aren't always a good thing. The older STI's came with a close ratio 6 speed. What a PITA. Talk about having to shift a lot. They're garbage unless you enjoy shifting your car more than you enjoy driving it.

However, if they make it like a 5 speed, but with a highway gear then I'm in favor of the 6 speed.

I'm not so sure I like an aluminum block replacement. The old high horsepower EVO's, Supras, Skylines all used Iron block, alu heads.

Man the EVO is going to have the paddle shifters, what bout the STI? 6 speed paddle shifted will be why I'd buy an EVO over STI. Make it 7 while you're at it :)

Personally they look too much like concepts, even though I'm in the favor of the EVO, I think they've dropped the bomb on both of them. Anyways, a little of the old, the evo 8 was still the best in United States (even though the 9th was faster, but had a diff. engine), I have never seen an evo loose to a Subaru, except if the Subaru was costumized more than the Mitsu.. People, do you know of the LANCER EVOLUTION VI RS-450, I heard that was the fastest evo made (0 to 60, in 3.6sec. and to 100 in 4.3 or something like that). I heard they only had 6 of them made. I'd be glad if someone told me! thnx... ps I probably won't come back to this chat room!?!?

The Evo ur thinking of is the fq400 witch is only availble in europe. It has 405bhp and it can go 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. If you google the video evo fq400 it will show you the video of 5th gear witch they took it against the lamborghini murcialago and it out handled the lambo and and did the same 0-60. They have a few made for the UK. It was the celeberation of mitsubishi motors being in uk for like 40 years or somethin like that. It's the Evo 8 and 9 MR FQ400. My opinion is that subaru sucks period. They have had 300hp in the wrx sti's and they can't even beat the bottom of the line evo's witch are 5spd and the sti has 6spd. I have personaly seen the two car go at it with eachother a lot of times and the evo dominate's every time. They are so high tech and fast, that you always see them getting compared to V12 V10 V8, etc. Like lambo's, ferrari's, 911's, mercedes and BMW, you get what i'm try'n to say. Over all and in every angle the evo wins hands down, no coparison in it's class what so ever. Please don't come to diss just because you like a car. Research you're fact's and personaly see the two go and drive both of them before you diss. I have drivn both, seen both drivn by perfessional's and seen both race high performance excotic sports car. Only the evo's came up dominant. The highest hp evo in the market for the average joe has like around 287hp while the sti has 300 and the evo only has 255 wheel hp. Now the wrx sti has more and can't even beat the evo. The evo x is going to have 300hp witch is the future evo while the modern and past sti already had that but can't even beat the modern bottom of the line evo witch is 5spd way less hp??? sti suck's.

What a Joke!!!!, That thing that looks like a bloated Tick that Subi calls the next STi will be a massive flop. The 2008 sedan is ok but this will not sell, hatchbacks may be big in Europe but not here. Why would they do this, don't they listen to costomers? The STi sedan is sucessfull, dont fix what is not broke. The only positive is that this bastard child of a SAAB and a Minivan will make more people buy the new EVO X and it will help save the struggling Mitsubishi firm.

the new evo looks like shit its the uglyest car ever the evo 9 is the best looking car in the world

To the argument of "these need a six speed:" I'd almost agree, but remember, these are track cars. Most tracks are to short for a car to burn through all six gears. I've driven several cars with 6 gears, and only when on the Interstate or doing the quarter mile do I need 6 gears. Whenever I go to a run-down neighborhood, though, to try taking some corners, I usually only need the first 5. Every car I've ever driven sets the top gears at a much higher spot than the first few, so once I hit 5th gear you can almost bet I will never need to go above that.

Six speeds are, however, great for everyday driving. Especially long commutes: sixth gear and the overdrives (that would make a great band name) are amazing for that kind of work.

So I think the decision to use a 5 speed here is actually a good one: it saves weight. add another gear, add more weight. In what are already heavy cars because they have to meet all the street-legal requirements.

Looks like I need to post my video of where my STI beats up on all gen EVO's at infineon and Thunderhill -- including highly modified EVO's.

Ok, the EVO drivers were all rice talk with no substance -- if you know how to setup the STI for track you'll be neck and neck in terms of lateral G's (I got data to prove and footage to prove). Once you get over suspension setup of the STI, you use what the STI does best, it's torque curve -- that's where you'll eat an EVO for lunch.

The 6 speed manual on the STI is rock solid -- "too many gears" -- OMG that just exposes your complete lack of knowledge -- don't like shifting -- ha ha ha ha -- oh yeah you must be a great driver.

As far as looks, I prefer the new STI look over my old '04 STI shopping Cart handle. The rear wing on my '04 STI was just not very functional (as in zero downforce).

But if you want a street/track car then go get a Lotus Exige S or track package version and toss a dealer installed turbo on it (with warranty). The only vestage of an EVO or STI will be a distance dot in your mirror. Weight to HP ratio boys and girls and that's where the Lotus Exige S dominates.

Hey Rob, I loved the first paragraph of your post. It made for some good comedy relief.

My favorite EVO driver comments "you should put a roll cage in that thing the way you drive it" -- now that is comedy relief!

I don't have a roll cage on my 125cc shifter Kart so I ain't gettin' one for my old STI.

boys and their EVOs -- aight, I'll dig up the footage tonight and post my links

There's a lot of good and a lot of bad in what I'm reading.

First off, it was Top Gear that did the Evo vs. the Lambo (watched the episode quite a few times). Yes, the Evo KEPT UP, but when you look at the track times, the Evo doesn't do better than the Lambo (although it doesn't do much worse...it was the Evo 400 though). And, they usually say that the Evo has better performance than the WRX, but the WRX is more comfortable.

Now, having a sixth gear is a bad idea? Wow...With a sixth gear, you can lower the ratios on all of the other gears to pull faster times. With a turbo, the big problem is turbo lag; you want to avoid it as much as possible, and lowering the gear ratios (by adding an extra gear) is a great way to do that. Plus, for the consumer market you can have two transmissions, the Sport and the Stock. Get the better speed with the sport and the better mileage with the stock (like an overdrive).

Now, the dual clutch transmission known as DSG is absolutely amazing. It is currently the best transmission on the market (CVT would be if it was a dual CVT). BMW's SMG was a flop because it was not a true dual clutch transmission (it was just a different way of shifting through the gears); it was really really bad (that's why they've more-or-less retired it in favor of their manual transmissions - they plan on making a VW like dual clutch as well). If Mitsubishi plans on making a dual clutch that's better than VW's, the Evo X will be even better.

Also, a DSG style transmission is "automatic," in other-words you do not need to shift, it will do it for you, but the car will have paddle shifters so you can shift if you want to. The beauty of dual clutch trans. is they are basically a manual style transmission (no torque converter!), and in "automatic" mode they shift way faster than any person can. The downside is that most dual clutch trans. does not let you shift past a certain point (if your in 1st gear speed, you usually can't shift into, or past, 3rd gear...the "brains" of the car won't let you); hopefully they don't do this, and will let the driver have full control (more or less)!

And as for the Subaru: Why a hatchback? Didn't they learn from BMW's mistake (who took a big hit to the pocket book with the old 1 series)? AMERICAN'S DO NOT WANT A WAGON!

Oh, and the artist rendering on the Evo is missing the "Sonic the Hedgehog spikes" (quoting Jeremy Clarkson, host of Top Gear).

I have yet to see an "street" car with semi-automatic shifts that are even close to what a good driver can do. The Ferrari Enso comes close but leaves room for improvement. Regardless at this price pointk, more gimmick auto-shifting for those that can drive manual and heal toe on the track.

Come on folks, just apply common sense 2.0 I4 EVO vs. 2.5 litre F4 STI -- not matter what you do to either engine more displacement always wins in the street category. An you have far fewer oiling issues to deal with on a flat 4 than you do in an inline 4.

Subaru and BMW -- errr...last check you can buy two STI's for the price of one BMW so why even make that comparison? Is that your formal poll on what American's want -- glad you cleared that up with some reality...oye!

The EVO looks like my wife's old Mazda 3 and probably just as junky feeling.

"Actually, there are reviews that claim certain Manu-matic trannies are able to shift almost as fast as a F-1 driver. "

Was that a joke?

F-1 drivers click paddles...

And those quoting Top Gear's review forgot to mention how bad the reviewer (Jeremy Clarkson) bashed the car for practicality. He cited terrible turning radius, and bad ride quality to name a couple.

Also, most modern high end automatic trannies are capable of shifting gears faster than it is humanly possible to do with a manual, end of story. (see DSG, Porsche's latest Tiptronik, F-1 Transmissions, etc.)

@Rob:

"With up shifts taking a mere 8 milliseconds," (from Howstuffworks about DCT's - Dual Clutch Transmission's). Wow, if anyone could shift that fast they'd have more than a world record. F1 racers have used DCT style transmissions for years; they are only now getting into the consumer market. And Rob:

"Come on folks, just apply common sense 2.0 I4 EVO vs. 2.5 liter F4 STI -- not matter what you do to either engine more displacement always wins in the street category."

Why don't we compare a Lotus to anything your driving. A vehicle that has a 1.8L I4. Wow, that's even smaller than the Evo's, but:

"· 0-60 mph 4.1 sec
· 0-100 mph 11 sec
· Top Speed 148 mph"

Stats taken strait from the Lotus website. Oh, and if you want real world stats, go over to the Top Gear website. The Exige S (the turbo version) is .3 seconds slower than the Evo FQ 400 and .6 second faster than a Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder (the Lotus ranks 32 on the list). Oh, and the regular Exige ranks 33 vs. the regular Evo's 42 and the STi WRX WR1's (the best Subaru) 46. Displacement looses yet again (a 1.8L vs. the Lambo's 5.0L). The bigger the engine doesn't mean the faster the car. A lot of other factors need to be taken into account (especially the transmission). Furthermore, the Evo and the STI are rally cars, NOT street cars. They go fast on the road because they're meant to go fast off the road.

The boxer and inline engines have different qualities and different drawbacks. In fact, the V style engine was made to try to take advantage of the best parts of the two engines. You can't say one is better than the other based on displacement alone. Plus, the only reason that the Evo is a 2.0L is because those were rally-racing rules back in the day, no more than a 2.0L engine. They've upped it since then, but Mitsubishi believes they don't need to up the engine size in order to increase performance (which they prove with each new Evo). If you're going to argue about performance make sure you know your stuff first.

Oh, and how can you buy two STi's for the price of one BMW? Especially when the Subaru cost $18,000 (entry) and the 1 series (the car I noted) cost around $22,000 entry. Yes it's more expensive, but there was a point in what I was trying to say:

"Didn't they learn from BMW's mistake (who took a big hit to the pocket book with the old 1 series)?"

I can dissect that sentence a thousand times, but what it comes down to is that the BMW 1 series was a flop. BMW lost a lot or money when the brought a hatchback 1 series to America (that's why the new 1 series will be a sedan/coupe), and it is a very good possibility that Subaru will have the same luck BMW had. That was the point I was trying to make by bringing up the BMW...it had nothing to do with the cost of either!

@Bob:

Yes, that's true. Thank you for clarifying that (I just left it as "Evo performs better...WRX is more comfortable." But that really doesn't say anything about the real downsides to the car...Oh, and YouTube that video, the turning radius is so bad it's funny!).

what about the p2 prodrive? prodrive develops the sti...do you think that tec is going to waste? AND IT BEAT THE FQ400

im from south africa, i own a 2007 sti i never lost to a evo...in a straight or on a bend.............we race on freeways,mountain passes and on circuits...i admitt the evo is a good car it looks good and performs well...but between the evo and sti...both have pro's and con's the one's pro's is the others con's...and remember if a drivers skill surpasses his cars abilities...he can lessen the cars disadvantages...i believe a car that corners fast is a fast car...and a driver that can corner through tight bends and horrord conditions is a good driver.............a driver has his limits certain people will worry about a accident you might have or damaging the car...thats the only way a driver gets faster is through mistakes n learning from them...i own a awd......even though its a awd i drift down hill with it and i grip race with it...no barriers on the side just cliff...

a car doesnt make a driver.... a driver does...

how do i put a video on this site? i wanna show you a downhill battle of mine against a f430....

I don't know why everyone is so against hatchbacks. Myself and a lot of people I know only own 1 vehicle...and a sedan doesn't cut it unless you hire someone to do all your house fixing chores. A hatch is SOOOO much more functional than a sedan. I can fit more in my Focus hatch than I could in my grandpa's Cadillac Deville. I have thrown a push lawnnmower and a mini bike my Focus...dimensions on the bike were 3 ft by 2 ft by 3.5 ft.
So, unless you own a second vehicle like a truck or pay someone to do all your housework,I do not know how you can get along easily with a sedan...especially a compact one.

Also, personally, I think hatches have a lot more fluid look than sedans..but that is opinion.

Subaru Impreza WRX STI

This is a great car people say it looks like a Ford Focus or some kind of Sabb. I truley dont think that it does it still will kick ass it will beat the evo any day because the subaru is lighter and has more HP and torque. They have added way more acsecories. It also has way better handiling. I think it well sell very well.

Look folks, there is no replacement for displacement. That said, the STI with it's bigger engine will always make more power than any smaller engine with equal mods. Not much, but more. So the only real question is: How much money are you willing to dump into your car to make it go fast? When these cars are tested, usually it's done with stock setups. The EVO has always had a better suspension off the lot that the STI. It's a choice Subaru made to make the car more comfortable to drive every day. This is why the EVO always makes better track times. Who leaves their suspension stock these days? I really don't think one car is better than the other, it's just a question of driver ability and how much cash you're willing to dump into it to get it to the level you want. But for someone to say they've never seen an EVO get beat by an STI is retarded. Really though, have we forgotten what these cars were originally designed for? Um, WRC anyone? How long has Subaru dominated that?

what's funny is most people have not driven either but yet have there favourites and diss the other lol. u retards get a fuckin job

The EVO looks awesome (evil), The STi looks like ma dogs shit lol. Dispute that! All it shows is that you're a scooby fan. Am neither but that's the truth, just look man

It may sound strange but for me a proper evo is the 6 or even better the 6.5(tommi makinen edition),for me it;s the fastest evo ever

First off Chris I can show you 4G63t powered cars that may be making as much as 1500 horse power, and 1500 ft lbs of torque if we calculate by their 1/4 trap speed, and elapsed time. Youtube John Shepherd and you will see a DSM talon with a 4G63t run 7.70 @ 191 mph, which depending on how much the car still weighs indicates I would say somewhere between 1200~1500 hp. The fastest STi with it's bigger so obviously more powerful 2.5l engine runs 9.5 @ 150 mph.

I share other peoples concerns that the 4B11T with an aluminum block will not mod as well as the venerable 4G63t

These F1 style shifters like VW's DSG, and the tranny in the new Evo shift much faster than humanly possible. Anyone who thinks they can shift in .008 seconds is crazy, a typical driver shifts in about .500 seconds so VW's DSG is more than 60 times faster at shifting than an average driver, Most other companies with transmissions of this type range between about 100~200 milliseconds, which is why VW's are held up as pretty much the standard here. There are also calibration issues, when and how it will let you do manual shifts, and of course how roughly it engages the next gear when shifting to consider when figuring out how "good" a transmission of this type is, If Mitsubishi can even get close to DSG quality the new transmission will rock.

CVT is an inferior tech IMHO, the transmissions weigh a lot more, than manual or DSG style units. CVT's generaly have problems dealing with high torque output . Regardless of manufactures claims, or for that matter EPA claims. last test I saw of a CVT and regular automatic in the same car with the same engine, the CVT accelerated better, and got worse fuel economy by around 2~3 mpg. And please look up how CVT's work, they are usually chain driven and at least vaguely similar to how the gears work on a bicycle. A "dual" CVT would make very little sense unless it were designed to split power for an application where the base unit was inadequate to deal with say Torque output from the engine. The Dual clutch DSG works by having 2 clutches, so that the transmission can ready a gear at the second clutch, to improve the shift times, very different concepts.

And lastly the STi is faster in the hands of an unskilled driver, because it tends towards pushing understeer, which really is more confidence inspiring and easier to control for most drivers, it just sort of plods along in the corners, and it's easy to recover from a slide if you push to hard. The Evo drives nothing like this and remains a noticeably faster track car in the hands of a gutsy and skilled driver.

I think they wanna compete with the HONDA Hatchback civic that in UK since the hatch is out the since for honda and have substituded with a crappy Honda Fit. i think its time for honda to knock out the competition and bring the UK badboy to the states and bring it on Subaru & Hyundia, Kia, Toyo, Scion!

Is it just me or do I see a hint of skyline in the nose of the new EVO?
The STI will have no problems selling here in the states. Hatch's are not crazy popular here in the states but this new STI might just start a tuner trend.....oh ya wait, tuner's love the hatch anyhow, oh ya and the "functional" (Eric) part of a hatch is spot on. Personally I'v drove both the 05 STI and the Evo 8 and fell in love with both car's. to pick one over the other will be debated forever. As it has been seince they both came here to the states.
I am almoast creaming my pants just imagining the two new aditions.

I personally think they both now look like garbage(personal opinion), which makes me very sad as I have been a diehard EVO fan(we'll go with worshiper) before either of the two even came to America(since '98 when Gran Turismo 1 came out). I think the new STI will be hurt greatly due to its hatchback design, dont get me wrong I really like hatchbacks(I race an '88 Honda CRX Si) but there at least needs to be a saloon. The new EVO, well, its just too much technology and not enough car anymore. It makes me wonder if Mistu and Sooby have just absolutely forgotten what made their cars so great in the first place. These cars are rally cars, not functional grocery getters. I for one am am saying screw it all and am soon to import a EVO VI from Japan. IMO, the best EVO. Side question, did the FIA up the displacement in the WRC? I wasnt aware of this(course I dont follow anymore since NEITHER Mitsu or Sooby are in the WRC anymore.....)

Who has been winning all the rally races for the last 15 years? Clue #1 Not any heap from Mitsubishi. Is Mitsubishi even a viable car company anymore?

Gee Jimmy, I don't know. Were you referring to Citröen or to Peugeot?

Manufacturers World Championship
2006 Ford (Focus WRC)
2005 Citröen (Xsara WRC)
2004 Citröen (Xsara WRC)
2003 Citröen (Xsara WRC)
2002 Peugeot (206 WRC)
2001 Peugeot (206 WRC)
2000 Peugeot (206 WRC)
1999 Toyota (Corolla WRC)
1998 Mitsubishi (Lancer Evolution V)
1997 Subaru (Impreza WRC

^^^ Haha exactly

I own an Evo 9 MR and it is a GREAT car. It handles better than anything else I have driven (including the STi). But the STi is probably better than the Evo in terms of daily driving comfort. My car has a harsh ride and is loud and hot inside. But I wouldn't trade it for most anything (well, maybe a Caparo T1...)

I will not buy the Evo X because they have ditched the 4G63 cast iron block. But if I had to, I would choose it over the STI. With that SAWC they have now, it should outperform my Evo 9 MR!

BTW, someone mentioned the Evo at 1200 hp but I believe AMS has the highest HP Evo at just above 1000 HP. Keep in mind this is a 2.3 liter (I think) stroked Inline 4.

The Evos have been traditionally easier/cheaper to mod because of the DSM heritage of the 4G63 engine. You can get massive HP out of an Evo for a few thousand in bolt-on parts. STi's usually require a LOT more money to get to the same level of power.

Evo is faster in the 1/4 mile stock and handles better on the street, but the STi will beat it on the gravel and definitely sounds better.

Between this whole Evo and Sti Thing, Evo wins hands down. Its effortless. I have an Evolution 8 MR with 3inch Turbo back, 272 Cam shafts / Hks Cam gears / Fuel Pump / manual boost controller / and an aem short ram intake. I have Smoked any modified WRX STI. DO NOT COMPARE THE TWO. Evolution always dominates and screws the sti in the ass blind folded. Go check the videos... A STOCK! Evolution not even MR edition can beat an sti 0-60 1/4 mile and around a track every single time. You think STI has more room for Modification and can be faster?? for all you EVO haters.. do the following then STfu.. Open up internet explorer and type this in
http://www.amsperformance.com/videos.php

watch the videos.. then talk. You dont see 8 second WRX STI or any Big company Supporting STI.

I Suggest you read up on your facts and you compare the two before you start Running your mouth and talking crap about the cars.

The day you see An Sti go head to head with a Lambo Murcielago
and shame it... that is the day you can compare the two and talk crap about the other car. Until then the evolution wins in every category except Horse power out of dealer stock. BUt itll still spank an sti =)..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E4UJ2yLI31c

GO ahead and talk crap to defend you dinky STI.. in the end.. The greatest joy and thrill you will get in an STI is seeing the rear tail Lights of that Evo that just spanked your ass and left you in his Exhaust Fumes.

GG

this Evo will probably sell more than the STi. that STi looks like shit

yeah, that STi's looc like a cheap ass shitty ford focus
and the ugther one is jsut plain ugly like my ass

the new evo x has a brand new 4G92 engine and a new better looking shape better acceleration and a higher top speed and there is still room for personal customization what ant gear head would like :) now on the other hand the new sti looks like a ford focus with a subaru body kit not many people got for the hatch back design

WOW there's alot of animosity between the Evo group and the STI guys ! Having driven both vehicles I can say one thing for sure, both vehicles are insanely quick and EQUALLY fast. How about instead of arguing which is better, say that they are both waaay better than any american muscle car (I've driven an 03 Cobra SVT for a while and it is crap...but fast), we should be on the same side ;)

To those of you who despise Subaru for going to a hatchback for the STI keep a couple of things in mind. #1 no sedan has won the WRC in 10 years. This is because hatchbacks have better dynamics than sedans. When Mitsu doesn't win the WRC for another few years expect to see Evo hatchbacks. #2 Petter Solberg pushed Subaru to go with the hatchback for the STI purely because he wanted it to be a better drivers car. I love to drive, not to pose, so they can do whatever they want to the style, as long as they make the car better to drive.

So then, the STI is for drivers and the Evo is for posers. No, just kidding, we're all on the same side ;)

Ok, so the debate over which is the better car seems to be an up in the air thing. Both sides seem to be seeing more pros and less cons on their side no matter what the other side says. So how would the debate go if bang per buck was discussed, aswell as bang per modified buck?

the sti is ugly blah blah blah thats all im hearing. but to me this sound like everyone up in this joint is an Evo fan.

whos winning the WORLD rally cup?

it must be so frustrating for mitsu to have a faster and better handling car and not win shit haha.

the STi is sold.
you guys are just talking out of your asses.

the sti is ugly blah blah blah thats all im hearing. but to me this sound like everyone up in this joint is an Evo fan.

whos winning the WORLD rally cup?

it must be so frustrating for mitsu to have a faster and better handling car and not win crap haha.

the STi is sold.
you guys are just talking out of your a$$es.

hey ART!
The EVO is..
UNCOMPARABLE
UNBEATABLE
BETTER
THE BEST
FASTER

why have all that perfomance when you cant do anything but go in a straight line with it..

STi - World Rally Cup - 10Years. GOLD. 1ST.
theres my cold hard facts BITCH.

oh, and the evo will always sound like a ricer..

STi SOLD

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

ok the evo will win the title but why the fuck does it have to so expensive

I get it evo this, evo that, it's faster - there is just one problem.......

It is a Mitsubishi..... where is the quality???

It might as well be an American can and in two years when it no longer works you can buy a new Evo, and by then it will be a hatchback.

Man, I bet most the people that posted in here can't even drive. People saying they have never seen a scooby sti beat a mitsu evo obviously have never driven either one. BTW, why isn't mitsu in the WRC anymore?!?!?! Because they can't compete; they have a great engine but the rest of the car is utter crap. The idiot that posted the last 10 WRC winners is a complete moron. Scoob won the WRC mfg title in 2003 you moron not Citroen.

From my study the new tranny and the awd system. are the same as the verion from bugotti. thats pumping out 1000hp.
The new Evo is awesome.

Its unfair to compare a prodrive WRC car to a production EVO since they are so different. Oh and Subaru haven't won in WRC for such a long time cos their current technoloy on the WRC car is a long way behind that of Citroen or Ford.

The SX4 may even be worse.

What is unfair is to have to read all of these big mouth people bemoaning how cool they are. Each person claims they know it all. Everyone here should hear me when I say "Shut-UP!!"

As cool as you all think you are, stop posting random crap for everyone to read! If you spent half the time working instead of mouthing off on some gay car forum you would be rich enough to actualy buy one of these cars instead of putting 26in rimms on a beater '80s sedan.

This site sucks, There aren't any real stories, just a few pictures that are not even porn! what a waste of band width. Someone please, for the love of god type mokneys, delete this post!

ive never ever lost to an evo, subaru is a much better vehicle better handling, no body roll, better turbo, better shift patterns, etc. the new sti will roll on the new evo .....once again call it a ford focus all you want until its screaming by you.

Rice monkey, you're no better than any one els on this page asshole.

I just think its ridiculous that diehard Evo fans can't admit that the STI is a decent car and STI fans can't admit that the Evo is a decent car. They compete so closely because both are quality vehicles with a lot to offer at an incredible price. Both cars are consistently compared to sports cars in the $50k + range for offering similar performance and driving fun for almost half the cost. And with the comprehension of English as displayed by some of the sentences you would think that most people on this board are 8 years old and can't even drive.

my opinion is that the evo x looks better...

This is just awesome, so much people here who has never drove any of these cars, most of the information they "seem" to know, they have pretty much gotten by doing a search on Google.

First off, the Evo X's engine is NOT a 4G92, its a 411BT, while the Lancer 08 GT has the trimmed down version, a 411B (I currently own both cars).

Second, STI does beat the Evo off the line (one of my friends got one) but on the track the Evo's got the Gold. The STI just started selling about 5 days ago here in Miami, alongside the EVO X, I already got mine, I've seen another White X, and a black STI hatchback. So yes, looks it both will sell after all.

In my oppinion both are great cars, it all depends on the driver, remember that.

Both cars are ugly. Lots of pretty tech specs but no soul.

Evo wips the sti in looks the only thing the sti got over the evo is its better at drag but the cars was made to take turns and thats where the evo wins the sti cant take truns like the evo to much speed in a lil car made it hard to do what its made for take crazy truns

The new twin shift transmission in here has 3 shift modes normal, sport, and s-sport(super sport)(there may be another but the name i dont remember). This super sport is an extremely aggressive shifting that is only to be used on a closed track.

I dont know about the sti but i drove that new evo 10 and its fast. i have no dought that the evo will be faster in cornering, this vehicule is a grip machine. The body structure and wheelbase are lower and larger than the sti the aerodynamics is intelegently desinged

New sti spanks new evo in Japan look it up on You Tube dumbasses.

I'm all for the Sti, but the hatchback just made it look really gay compared to the 07 which in my opinion was really sick looking then you had the 0-60 in 4.5 seconds and the interior was just alot better then the evo's but i have yet to experience the new Sti and Evo.

for all you fucking haters the cars compete very closely and with that said i believe it comes down to the driver you may talk about how fast your evo or sti is but the real question is can you drive? I grew up in the mountains and i bet half you flat land bitches can't handle your car up here.

I'll agree with the guy above. If you can drive your car in the mountains- then you are a badass.

It is a damn shame that both 2008 models (EVO and STI) are both dumb looking. I love STIs but its a damn shame they changed the body style. I would NEVER buy a 2008 STI given the old body style. Even the EVOs disappointed me with their new model. Too bad! Looks like they may both see a drop in sales.

When will they add and seventh gear, that would be a step in the right direction. 7 gear SMG gearbox would be the hottness. Better MPG and acceleration over 120mph

YAWN, I got tired of reading all the cr@p so here's my 2 cents. The evo does "better" when racing the sti in comparrison tests because they get a driver that has no idea how to drive a planted to the ground awd rally car amd let them run it like it's a 2wd car and will expect the back end of it to swing itself around automatically on the turns.........

Now I know what all you evo lovers are thinking......... the evo is an awd rally car as well which is right HOWEVER mitsu put what I like to call the dummy proof yaw in there car which means if you get a retard that doesn't know how to drive an awd car and let him romp around a track he will take the turns a lot better because it has the novice helper yaw in it.

Now whoever was saying stuff about the lotus being faster and it's a 1.8L so why would rob stat the difference between the 2.0 and 2.5? because rob also stated the lotus weighs in a whole lot less than either car hence the faster times. There are a few main things that contribute in how well a car is going to do on a track, 1 of them is power, another is suspension, another is tires, and the most important thing of all that a car needs to get around a track fast isssssssssss A GOOD DRIVER, without a driver that knows how to drive a true sports car that car is just another car that has some power but doesn't do to well.

Oh and btw the mitsu may have 300hp and 300tq for 09 but hrmmmmmmmm what is this????????? the regular wrx is going to have 265hp for 09 so I wonder what the 09 sti's will have???? they haven't unveiled the 09 sti completely but a lot are guessing at least 325hp and 325tq or more. The new evo's are just garbage, they handle worse than the older evos and are slower at accelerating too. Evo's really only appeal to the honda type crowd that want to upgrade from a civic to something a little better.

Now I'm not just talking out of my a$$, I'm an auto tech and have worked with evo's and sti's, and in my honest opinion the evo is a novices car while the sti is a true sports car. For those of you saying the evo is faster, well as I stated before the driver "mod" is THE biggest thing for the sti but if you wanna do the "who is faster" arguement you can just line the 2 cars up and run them in a 1/4 mile races I guarantee you if both cars had drivers that knew how to drive their car the sti will win hands down every single time, as a matter of fact if you take a stock evo and stock sti (especially the new evo x and 08 or 09 sti) and race them on a road course or rally track (especially a rally dirt track) with guys that know how to drive their car correctly, the sti will still win hands down.

As I said before these magazines and shows that have 1 driver to drive both cars when they normally don't drive either car on a regular basis, the evo will most likely always win in those cases because the evo is more novice/noob proof. Basically the evo is a cars version of the book "how to blah blah blah for dummies", evo = how to drive a rally car for dummies. I really don't mean to be mean or biased but from what I've seen and heard with my own ears over the years evo, srt4, civic/any honda, and all the other cheap or cheaper "sports car" owners just run their mouths and talk trash wayyyyyy to much and need a dose of reality.

One last thing I will add for those guys just trash talking the sti. I was at a car meet a couple years back, this guy with an 05 sti had just an exhaust on his car and was chilling and talking to others, basically everyone was getting along, then a group of 5 evo guys come in all together and just start talking trash about the sti, the sti owner says "only way to know what car is faster is to just go out there and race. The evo guy that was running his mouth the most had an evo 8 or 9 and said he had "exhaust, intake, cams, fuel pump, bigger injectors, and was tuned" and also responded to the sti's challenge to race by saying "I don't race on the street".

About 10 minutes later we see that same evo guy racing a run down civic down the street so the sti guy jumps in his car and goes out on the street, he gets side by side with the evo and they were doing around 40mph, evo guy tells the sti to go first but the sti insists on the evo to go first so he abliges by downshifting and hitting it and the sti does it at virtually the same time, what did we see???? the sti was slowly walking the evo and at shut down had probably 2 lengths on the guy (meaning his rear bumper was a car length away from the evos front bumper).

When they got back and parked I asked to see under the hood and in the car because I really didn't expect it to walk the evo, I expected him to maybe be neck and neck but not walk him considering the mods the evo had but sure enough, I looked under the hood and it had the stock turbo, top mount, and everything. Now because this was from a 40 roll you can't blame it on the launch and you can't say the sti got the jump because if anything the evo got a slight jump on the sti (by slight I mean a tenth of a second if that). Hands down and even dollar for dollar the sti is the better built and better equipped car and it has a better interior to boot.

Don't mean to put a wrench into things, but you all seem to forget that breaking is an important feature in a car. Sti has breaking up the ying-yang. Being able to delay breaking and carry speed longer is the key to any good track time. If you can get back up to speed as quick as these cars can the better brakes will be the decider.
Also F1 cars are the fastest gear changing cars on the planet and no professional driver could ever hope in a million years to change gears in a thousandth of a second. Dumbest argument ever.
All the talk about which car is better is immeasurable, so who cares. If you are pushing any car to it's limit around a corner you are going to have fun. So enjoy your Evo, your WRX or your beloved Chevette.

This goes out to the ignorant ones that are stating that a 5 door or a hatch is not what Americans want. DO NOT GENERALIZE. You might want to think about the guys/girls that want a all wheel drive turbo vehicle that can actual fit your winter toys in it are carry some type of cargo as not everyone can afford both a STI / EVO and a pick up truck. Yea you could rent a truck but then if you are looking for a sedan then get one. But I for one do not like the look of a sedan.
Angry American sick of my fellow country people that just follow the rest and get your information from the corrupt media. For those that do the research Cheers Mate.

evo is soooooooooo fucked up

Buy an Evo X. Install Vishnu ECU + Exhaust for $1,000. BOOM! A simple bolt on that brings the car to 380HP, 380 lb torque. 1/4 mile in 12.7s.

i own 2008 wrx sti it rule the winter land up here usa , MN.

I have an Evo 6 (vi) and it runs circles on all sti's, M3's even evo9's. My 6 is pretty much standard but has an apexi power fc ecu , blitz nur 3" exhaust, apexi filter, 500hp fueling system. Does the 1/4 mile in 11.8 . Has 265kw atw on all 4 wheels. Really happy with it